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gerryh

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Why is it necessary for a discussion on abortion to degenerate into character assassinations and insults? Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion regardless of how flawed it is. There is no opinion that is criminal, until that opinion is acted upon. If people wish to think their own convenience supersedes the importance of the fetus, they have every right to that way of thinking regardless of how repugnant it is!


calling a spade a spade is not character assassination or insults. If one supports murder than by definition they are a murderer.
 

PoliticalNick

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calling a spade a spade is not character assassination or insults. If one supports murder than by definition they are a murderer.
A finer example of my point could not be created at my direction.If you had an IQ higher than a wet sponge you would see how denigrating your comments are and realize that you will never get anywhere in a debate when all you do is call people murderers.
 

JLM

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calling a spade a spade is not character assassination or insults. If one supports murder than by definition they are a murderer.

Even that I suppose is debatable. But still, we can condemn the act as murder, except for instances where it could be classified as "self defense". Let the perpetrators of the act draw their own conclusions.
 

PoliticalNick

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Even that I suppose is debatable. But still, we can condemn the act as murder, except for instances where it could be classified as "self defense". Let the perpetrators of the act draw their own conclusions.

There is no debate at all JLM. I have never participated in an abortion in any way, shape or form. I simply support people being able to make the personal decision for themselves. If that is justification for Gerry calling me a murderer and comparing me to a serial child killer then it certainly demonstrates just how inane the tactics of the anti-abortion crowd are.
 

gerryh

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Even that I suppose is debatable. But still, we can condemn the act as murder, except for instances where it could be classified as "self defense". Let the perpetrators of the act draw their own conclusions.



So, it's ok to condemn the act, but not those that preform or support that act, is that right? So we can condemn what Olson did, but we can't condemn him, and it would be just ducky to support him in his decision.
 

PoliticalNick

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So, it's ok to condemn the act, but not those that preform or support that act, is that right? So we can condemn what Olson did, but we can't condemn him, and it would be just ducky to support him in his decision.
This is where you screw up. If you had bothered to pay any attention you would have seen me state many times I am not a personal supporter of abortion. What I do support is freedom of choice. I don't want anyone forcing their personal beliefs on me so I won't force my personal beliefs on them.
 

gerryh

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This is where you screw up. If you had bothered to pay any attention you would have seen me state many times I am not a personal supporter of abortion. What I do support is freedom of choice. I don't want anyone forcing their personal beliefs on me so I won't force my personal beliefs on them.


Ya...I know... kinda like "I don't personally support pedophilia, but I won't force my beliefs on anyone else.
 

BaalsTears

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This is where you screw up. If you had bothered to pay any attention you would have seen me state many times I am not a personal supporter of abortion. What I do support is freedom of choice. I don't want anyone forcing their personal beliefs on me so I won't force my personal beliefs on them.

Isn't that the approach Pontius Pilate took?
 

Cliffy

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Wouldn't it be easier to go with mandatory long term contraceptives for all women and when they wish to have children can get a permit to stop until impregnated and then back on immediately afterward?
Why are men not included in this? Why is always up to the woman? I say give all young boys a reversible vasectomy, a valve inserted into the vas deferens tube that is turned off when inserted and then they have to go before a panel when they think they are ready to be fathers to prove they are mature enough to turn it on.
 

Sal

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Wouldn't it be easier to go with mandatory long term contraceptives for all women and when they wish to have children can get a permit to stop until impregnated and then back on immediately afterward?
would that be the Christian thing to do? Shouldn't this have been in purple?

Why are men not included in this? Why is always up to the woman? I say give all young boys a reversible vasectomy, a valve inserted into the vas deferens tube that is turned off when inserted and then they have to go before a panel when they think they are ready to be fathers to prove they are mature enough to turn it on.
I am hoping he is joking.
 

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Do you deny that convenience and sex selection are sometimes the grounds for abortion? Let's examine this subject.
It seems your changed your tune a little since you blurted out this:
In the USA a significant portion of abortions are performed solely for convenience and as a form of contraception for people who are too lazy or too stupid to use contraceptives.

Is abortion for convenience ok with you folks?
Nope, but I think extremely few are performed just for that reason alone.
Do you deny that convenience and sex selection are sometimes the grounds for abortion? Let's examine this subject.
I don't know about sex selection, but as I pointed out from that link, women stated more than one reason for getting an abortion. Convenience may be one reason for a few, but for most it seems, having a career or education, being single, having problems with bfs or husbands, and not being able to afford kids add up together to be more than enough reason for me. I don't think anyone who doesn't want a kid goes about looking to have one. And I don't think people even want to have kids just so they can kill them before they are physically complete.

To refresh about reasons for abortion:
3/4 said having a kid would interfere with responsibilities
3/4 said they can't afford one
1/2 said they don't want to be a single parent

I'd suggest those 3 overlap somewhat. Add them to the 1/6 that cited medical reasons and the 1% that cited rape, and there isn't a whole lot left that choose abortion "solely" to avoid inconvenience.

Is convenience or sex selection legitimate grounds for an abortion from a moral standpoint?
Depends upon whose morals. Some people used to consider eating other people to be moral. Some other people consider beating their wives to be moral.
 
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PoliticalNick

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Isn't that the approach Pontius Pilate took?

Don't know....never sat down to talk with the man. All we have to go on is a set of writings put forward by a group of men with a specific agenda and we know how people with an agenda will alter or create facts to further their own ends.
 

Zipperfish

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calling a spade a spade is not character assassination or insults. If one supports murder than by definition they are a murderer.

No, by definition they support murder. In order to be a murderer, you have to murder somebody.

You are hardly going to bring people around to apprecaite your point of view if you're opening gambit is "You're a murderer!"

On the contrary, it's really no surprise the level of dialogue quickly disintegrated to "see you at lunch time behind the school."
 

Locutus

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No, by definition they support murder. In order to be a murderer, you have to murder somebody.

You are hardly going to bring people around to apprecaite your point of view if you're opening gambit is "You're a murderer!"

On the contrary, it's really no surprise the level of dialogue quickly disintegrated to "see you at lunch time behind the school."


Yep. That's the thing. Both men are intelligent and mature enough to walk away at any time. They realize that neither is going to change their stance.

But, sometimes the peanut gallery may want for more and add their special contributions to um, help the thread along. Know what I mean Vern?