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[captain morgan]

When you say personal responsibility you are ascribing moral value to sex.

No... Identifying that a consequence to an action, like sex potentially leading to pregnancy.

You can now ascribe your version of the level of responsibility that the contributors (male/female) made in terms of their moral code

Unfortunately there is none, and historically the link between sex and morality is meant to control female sexuality, that grand mystery you all want to possess and so jealously oppress.

You gotta be kidding.... Playing the victim card and reaching wwaayyy back to the perceived societal norms from the 40's or 50's.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Children and babies of drug addicted mothers and fathers...when, where, and who is none of your business

I'll take that as a no, you haven't and won't.

uh huh....... and not that long ago, killing a black man was not murder because they were not human..........by law.

I believe they counted as 2/3 of a man and it was actually illegal to kill them, it just wasn't prosecuted because a jury of 12 white, racist, slave owners would never convict.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I'll take that as a no, you haven't and won't.

I believe they counted as 2/3 of a man and it was actually illegal to kill them, it just wasn't prosecuted because a jury of 12 white, racist, slave owners would never convict.

3/5, and the Constitution specified that that applied only to slaves, not to all blacks, and only for the purposes of enumeration (census) for representation in the House of Representatives.

Aside from that, you're correct. It has never been legal to kill a black man, slave or free, in the U.S.

Just Indians (still is in two states).

 

[PoliticalNick]

You gotta be kidding.... Playing the victim card and reaching wwaayyy back to the perceived societal norms from the 40's or 50's.

I happen to agree with her Capt. Much of the world, including many in the west, are still suffering from a deep-seeded need to repress & oppress women. These 'norms of the 40's & 50's' as you call them are still quite prevalent in a lot of southern states and many places in Canada. I can see a correlation between the people who still hold those values in some way and those opposed to choice on abortion.

 

[L Gilbert]

So if ending the life of a potential human life is murder then so is killing human sperm and eggs. Everyone's a murderer. Interesting.

 

[PoliticalNick]

3/5, and the Constitution specified that that applied only to slaves, not to all blacks, and only for the purposes of enumeration (census) for representation in the House of Representatives.

Aside from that, you're correct. It has never been legal to kill a black man, slave or free, in the U.S.

Just Indians (still is in two states).

Thanks for the clarification TB.

Which 2 states by the way? I need to know where not to vacation.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

So if ending the life of a potential human life is murder then so is killing human sperm and eggs. Everyone's a murderer. Interesting.

And if you're male, a mass murderer.

 

[Corduroy]

No... Identifying that a consequence to an action, like sex potentially leading to pregnancy.

Yes, and there are medical procedures which cause pregnancies to end. Identifying consequences to action!

 

[darkbeaver]

There is no solution to the issue. What we have here is the trials and tribulations of life in hell/school.. What god seems to require is outpourings of compassion, your discomfort, if you have any, is the object of the test and the lesson therein. No pain no gain. This type of murder is as old as humans, it is human nature, and it is a permanent feature.

 

[PoliticalNick]

So if ending the life of a potential human life is murder then so is killing human sperm and eggs. Everyone's a murderer. Interesting.

Yep, every time you masturbated you killed millions. You should be serving eternity in jail and have a few billion death sentences.

 

[L Gilbert]

And if you're male, a mass murderer.

I guess. Technically, I think if women only shed eggs periodically, they can only be charged with negligent homicide. Opps, but then they kill most sperm that enters their bodies. Back to murder again. :/

 

[Zipperfish]

In other words, despite the fact that you go on and on about personal responsibility, it's really about the killing of human fetuses. There are a lot of bad arguments on both sides of the abortion debate, and the humanity of a fetus is your best one. Personal responsibility is not a good argument because that would never trump murder, and if abortion is not murder it would not follow that having a child is necessary personal responsibility for a pregnancy.

The subtext of the personal responsibility argument is clear and whenever people bring it up, one cannot help but understand that subtext. When you say personal responsibility you are ascribing moral value to sex. Unfortunately there is none, and historically the link between sex and morality is meant to control female sexuality, that grand mystery you all want to possess and so jealously oppress.

 

[darkbeaver]

3/5, and the Constitution specified that that applied only to slaves, not to all blacks, and only for the purposes of enumeration (census) for representation in the House of Representatives.

Aside from that, you're correct. It has never been legal to kill a black man, slave or free, in the U.S.

Just Indians (still is in two states).

The first imported slaves to the new world were white and they came in the hundreds of thousands, blacks were very expensive and the Irish could be had for a fraction of the cost.

note, the post has nothing to do with the OP

 

[captain morgan]

I happen to agree with her Capt. Much of the world, including many in the west, are still suffering from a deep-seeded need to repress & oppress women. These 'norms of the 40's & 50's' as you call them are still quite prevalent in a lot of southern states and many places in Canada. I can see a correlation between the people who still hold those values in some way and those opposed to choice on abortion.

You'll see either end of the spectrum depending on where you look.

Consider that the present demographic trends in college/university admissions observes a higher proportion of women being admitted... Going back a bit, you'll also see more males drop out of high school... This has been a trend going on for quite some time

So - where's the repression here?.. The jealousy?

 

[JLM]

Why is it that "personal responsibility" means you can't terminate a pregnancy?

Duh- perhaps because ending a human life shouldn't be up to an individual for the purpose of serving her own best interests?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

The first imported slaves to the new world were white and they came in the hundreds of thousands, blacks were very expensive and the Irish could be had for a fraction of the cost.

note, the post has nothing to do with the OP

You are correct. They were captives of Cromwell, usually the teenagers, and they were shipped to the "Fever Islands" as slaves, mostly from the north and central parts of Ireland.

That, however, was in the middle 1600s. African slaves were transported and used in the Americas from the early 1500s.

 

[PoliticalNick]

You'll see either end of the spectrum depending on where you look.

Consider that the present demographic trends in college/university admissions observes a higher proportion of women being admitted... Going back a bit, you'll also see more males drop out of high school... This has been a trend going on for quite some time

So - where's the repression here?.. The jealousy?

Just look at the amount of women in high-level (or even mid-level) executive positions and the pay they receive compared to the men in similar spots. I can't deny the world is changing and our generation has been a huge catalyst in that and our children are far less prone to sexism or racism because of us but there remains many complete societies where repression based on gender is the norm. We can wish it wasn't still so in the western world but just like the rampant racism still in the deep south oppression of women is still around too.

Duh- perhaps because ending a human life shouldn't be up to an individual for the purpose of serving her own best interests?

You might want to remember that little tidbit when we discuss the US & Canadian invasions of foreign nations where they bomb the crap out of civilians.

 

[darkbeaver]

You are correct. They were captives of Cromwell, usually the teenagers, and they were shipped to the "Fever Islands" as slaves, mostly from the north and central parts of Ireland.

That, however, was in the middle 1600s. African slaves were transported and used in the Americas from the early 1500s.

Thanks, I'll check that out. We should not mention the slavers though because of the delicate nature of the revelation.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

So if ending the life of a potential human life is murder then so is killing human sperm and eggs. Everyone's a murderer. Interesting.

Every Sperm is Sacred.
Every Sperm is Sacred - YouTube

 

[Corduroy]

Duh- perhaps because ending a human life shouldn't be up to an individual for the purpose of serving her own best interests?

I don't think you actually know what personal responsibility means. It's obvious you mean it to be something else, or else why would you sneer at the thought of someone using personal responsibility to serve their best interests? That's practically the definition of the expression!

You should really talk about responsibility to others when you say personal responsibility. Again, when you say personal responsibility it's obvious that you really mean the moral dimension of sex, that a woman should have her agency removed when she engages in sex. When you say that personal responsibility for the consequences means to not look out for one's own interests, you very clearly indicate a subtextual desire to control female bodies.