If God Existed Would You Live Differently?

[Tecumsehsbones]

What would be the Greek equivelent as the NT was in Greek originally? I doubt it was the cubit. 1600 is the number for the river of blood that is from the 200M horsemen and their riders. Using an English knight that would make the river about 80 ft wide using the blood volume of a draft horse and a linebacker sized guy. I'm not sure there is anything deeper than playing with numbers that would be above the level of a fisherman on OT Jerusalem. How long was a 'golden reed' (Re:21)if you want something more mystical than cubit.

Here's the dirty little secret, MHz. Up until the 1800s, measurements were wildly variable. A cubit or a yard or a foot or a furlong meant little to nothing. Heck, in the middle ages, in most places a foot was the length of the king's foot, and a yard was the distance from the king's thumb to his nose with his arm stretched out in front of him. If you take into account growth and changeover in the office of king, you can see how variable these measurements were. The main reason Napoleon adopted the metric system is that it was precise and non-variable.

This is one of the pitfalls of imposing 20th and 21st century mindsets on old things. Notions of time and space have changed. Here's another one. You know many of the clocks from the mid-1800s and earlier only have an hour hand? That's because you could tell the time to the nearest 15 minutes just from the hour hand, and nobody expected anybody to be any more precise than that.

 

[MHz]

It would be hard for one to follow them all as there are plenty of contradictions within each of them.

The events around the cross and the day after initially appear to be a jumble until you put all the verses from the 4 Gospels together and then it meshes together quite nicely and one of the bigger truth a person arrives at is the the Beloved Disciple is a woman that Jesus loved, Mary of Bethany once you review the relevant passages.

All the gobbly gook you see in a passage are clues that when followed lead to other verses. One goof example of having to use the info in the whole passage id the 70 weeks of Daniel. The common theme is the 'he' mentioned is the 'AC' and the time is our future, no. The first verse in the passage is when Daniel is praying to his God and it says he is in charge of the covenants. For men to ignore the connection means whatever they come up with it will be wrong. Follow the words in the passage and it turns out that the 70 weeks is one block of time. Rather than a little being said about the 70th week the 4 Gospels and up to Acts:10 detail that 7 year period in pretty decent detail. Too long to do it here and now but the point is in both instances the parts mesh together only one way, if there is a conflict it is with your version of what you are reading.

 

[Cliffy]

How come, even when atheists discuss god, the war god of the desert is the only one considered? Of the thousands of gods that Man has invented, Jehovah is the least likeable, most nasty psycho of them all. Htz proves that every time he post scripture. The Earth is a beautiful and wondrous place. I cannot imagine that the psycho of the torah, bible or Koran had anything to do with its creation. Like Gerryh, I have irrefutable proof of the existence of the divine, unconditional love but that is a personal revelation. I doubt that anybody can know or understand the creative force through books, movies or the pulpit. The Source can only be understood through personal contact. And yes, it does change how you related to and act toward others, life and all our relations.

 

[taxslave]

What if the old white that wrote your bible got it all wrong and gawd is a black woman? And the apostles are Hindi?

 

[Cliffy]

What if the old white that wrote your bible got it all wrong and gawd is a black woman? And the apostles are Hindi?

If you want to control vast lots of humans, you write a book that puts the fear of gawd into them. Those that wrote those books were only interested in power and control. There was no divine inspiration in any of those books.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

How come, even when atheists discuss god, the war god of the desert is the only one considered?

I'm gonna go with "because you live in the predominantly Judeo-Christian West and don't speak or read Mandarin, Hindi, or any of the 600 languages of Australia or the 1000-plus of the Americas."

 

[EagleSmack]

If you want to control vast lots of humans, you write a book that puts the fear of gawd into them. Those that wrote those books were only interested in power and control. There was no divine inspiration in any of those books.

If only the world could get themselves a shaman, find a sweat lodge, get all pagan and such and smudge each other we'd be peaceful and awesome.

 

[taxslave]

If only the world could get themselves a shaman, find a sweat lodge, get all pagan and such and smudge each other we'd be peaceful and awesome.

Some truth in that. Having a sweat and whatnot is very time consuming, by the time you are done you are worn out and have no time to go start a war.

 

[Zipperfish]

If I knew God existed...probably not. If I knew Hell existed though.... :lol:

 

[EagleSmack]

Some truth in that. Having a sweat and whatnot is very time consuming, by the time you are done you are worn out and have no time to go start a war.

Oh First Nations and Native Americans found PLENTY of time for war.

 

[Twila]

If you want to control vast lots of humans, you write a book that puts the fear of gawd into them. Those that wrote those books were only interested in power and control. There was no divine inspiration in any of those books.

Because almost everyone accepts that all the gods are fiction. What would be the point in saying " Cause Pangu said so?" Or " you can't know Mimir's plans for us"

You'd be laughed at...

 

[MHz]

Here's the dirty little secret, MHz. Up until the 1800s, measurements were wildly variable. A cubit or a yard or a foot or a furlong meant little to nothing. Heck, in the middle ages, in most places a foot was the length of the king's foot, and a yard was the distance from the king's thumb to his nose with his arm stretched out in front of him. If you take into account growth and changeover in the office of king, you can see how variable these measurements were. The main reason Napoleon adopted the metric system is that it was precise and non-variable.

This is one of the pitfalls of imposing 20th and 21st century mindsets on old things. Notions of time and space have changed. Here's another one. You know many of the clocks from the mid-1800s and earlier only have an hour hand? That's because you could tell the time to the nearest 15 minutes just from the hour hand, and nobody expected anybody to be any more precise than that.

All of that is true, would you have preferred God tell Moses that the end of day 1 was 4,000,000,000 years ago or 6 days and then on the last page tell us to times all that by a certain number and suddenly it becomes more accurate than Science as it promotes that birds fell into water and became whales (over 40M years). When you have God talking about powers of 10 on the first page of a long book then the rest might hold things that are just as interesting. Like I said you can read it as fiction if you want, it is still meant to be put together the same way. An e-bible of the 1611KJV is the only one that will give you the best mileage for effort put in. If you know some of the stories in general that saves you time. More numbers, the flood was 22ft of rain on all the land on the globe, that would have dropped the oceans by a total of 5ft. That is the water problem solved.

The Bible would be a piece of cake for you. You are used to going through fragments of a story as told by a variety of witnesses. The cross events has 4 versions that are parts, In the end it turns out Peter gets his version from Mary M, James and John get their version from their mother and the Beloved Disciple is her own witness. Before you would 'call them' you would have to establish whop wrote what. 3 books have 2 stories that only the same 3 saw. You use that to 'suggest' that Peter wrote Matthew as he was the 'head Apostle' and since James and John were brothers it doesn't matter too much who wrote Mark and Luke. Showing who the Beloved Disciple is can be done the same way. The verse that says no Apostles were at the cross helps that whole theory. The book has parts that are easier and parts that are more difficult to put together.

 

[WLDB]

How come, even when atheists discuss god, the war god of the desert is the only one considered? Of the thousands of gods that Man has invented, Jehovah is the least likeable, most nasty psycho of them all. Htz proves that every time he post scripture. The Earth is a beautiful and wondrous place. I cannot imagine that the psycho of the torah, bible or Koran had anything to do with its creation.

That particular god happens to be the most popular one in our part of the world which is why its the default one discussed.

Oh First Nations and Native Americans found PLENTY of time for war.

As did the pagan Norse after their saunas.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

All of that is true, would you have preferred God tell Moses that the end of day 1 was 4,000,000,000 years ago or 6 days and then on the last page tell us to times all that by a certain number and suddenly it becomes more accurate than Science as it promotes that birds fell into water and became whales (over 40M years). When you have God talking about powers of 10 on the first page of a long book then the rest might hold things that are just as interesting. Like I said you can read it as fiction if you want, it is still meant to be put together the same way. An e-bible of the 1611KJV is the only one that will give you the best mileage for effort put in. If you know some of the stories in general that saves you time. More numbers, the flood was 22ft of rain on all the land on the globe, that would have dropped the oceans by a total of 5ft. That is the water problem solved.

The Bible would be a piece of cake for you. You are used to going through fragments of a story as told by a variety of witnesses. The cross events has 4 versions that are parts, In the end it turns out Peter gets his version from Mary M, James and John get their version from their mother and the Beloved Disciple is her own witness. Before you would 'call them' you would have to establish whop wrote what. 3 books have 2 stories that only the same 3 saw. You use that to 'suggest' that Peter wrote Matthew as he was the 'head Apostle' and since James and John were brothers it doesn't matter too much who wrote Mark and Luke. Showing who the Beloved Disciple is can be done the same way. The verse that says no Apostles were at the cross helps that whole theory. The book has parts that are easier and parts that are more difficult to put together.

Read the bible cover to cover long before I studied law. It's a perfect example of the principle that people will swallow any damn thing, no matter how preposterous.

Oh First Nations and Native Americans found PLENTY of time for war.

That's not really accurate if you're picturing Eurasian-style wars. While nothing you could say about "Indians" is accurate, generally Indian "wars" were more like gang fights or skirmishes than the prolonged campaigns typical of Eurasian wars.

 

[Walter]

Ate the last of the Thanksgiving turkey just now. Delicious.

 

[taxslave]

Ate the last of the Thanksgiving turkey just now. Delicious.

ANd how was blackie?

 

[petros]

If God didn't exist would you live differently?

That's not really accurate if you're picturing Eurasian-style wars. While nothing you could say about "Indians" is accurate, generally Indian "wars" were more like gang fights or skirmishes than the prolonged campaigns typical of Eurasian wars.

Very true. Cree and Blackfoot went at it several times. I've been to site of one known as Massacre Bay. 1500 men had it out.

“In March, 1866, a large Blackfoot war party, traveling down the South
Saskatchewan River Valley in this vicinity, killed two Cree women and prepared to
attack a small camp on a neighbouring hill. Their shots alerted a well-armed party
of Cree warriors who trapped them in the Valley. An estimated 400 Blackfoot were
killed in the running battle which extended over a mile between Tufts Bay and​

Elbow Harbor Coulee.”

 

[EagleSmack]

That's not really accurate if you're picturing Eurasian-style wars. While nothing you could say about "Indians" is accurate, generally Indian "wars" were more like gang fights or skirmishes than the prolonged campaigns typical of Eurasian wars.

War is war T-Bones. No different than Clan Wars.

 

[Twila]

If God didn't exist would you live differently?

You should start a thread for this question. Might get some interesting replies.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

War is war T-Bones. No different than Clan Wars.

Don't be ridiculous. Even in Eurasian societies, saying that an all-consuming bloodbath like World War II was the same as the minor dustups between clans or dukes in the 15th century because "war is war" is preposterous.

Here's the trick. Non-agricultural societies can't make "war" as you think of it. Agriculture makes war both possible and necessary. Possible because it allows the excess population needed to non-productive stuff like soldiering. Necessary because when your food supply needs to grow in a field, you MUST hold that field. Hunter-gatherers, faced with a serious threat to the existence of the tribe, just move. They're semi-nomadic by nature.