If God Existed Would You Live Differently?

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The question is would you live differently?
How do you live differently in world that is still under certain determinations. If it is determined that 2/3 of a group take a longer route than the smaller group that is a punishment, during that same time the 1/3 are given certain rewards and just as that is finished the ones missing are given the same rewards as the ones who just exited the introduction stage. The guidelines in Re:21 does not hamper free will from that moment on. you will need it as no task can be a repeat of any other one.

One small change and everything is different...

That makes my head spin...one small change...

Lone, is that your beautiful puppydog in your avatar?
There is a lot that is gathered from the information given in the 1st seal. The common theme is that the rider is about as bad as it gets. Rider on a white horse and wearing a crown and holding a bow. One verse changes the 'common belief' into something that just seems out of place. That one 'small change' also makes sorting the other passages that come later to be an easier task. With God being the rider and the Holy Spirit being the horse the verse is now a prophecy that picks up where the ascension scene leaves the ride is the fulfilment of the start of the day that only God knows when it starts. The verse below is a reference to Christ and the starting event of the last prophecies is the reality of the sealing and what that actually means in 'the tribulation 'period. The coals event is the action part of the prophecy that is the seals. There are equal to the metal statue in Daniel, they are a vision, they are not events.

Re:17 and Da:7 each has a vision followed by an explanation. Reading the vision the 2nd time will have a mental image that is different that the first one imagined. Those explanations set a few 'ground rules' for the 2nd verse just like the slaughter of the innocents set some 'ground rules' that defined what a bruise is defined as by God. Considering the event that fukfilled a prophetic demand it seem that it was a message that was more than a little important.

M't:2:16:
Then Herod,
when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men,
was exceeding wroth,
and sent forth,
and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem,
and in all the coasts thereof,
from two years old and under,
according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
M't:2:17:
Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet,
saying,
M't:2:18:
In Rama was there a voice heard,
lamentation,
and weeping,
and great mourning,
Rachel weeping for her children,
and would not be comforted,
because they are not.

Jer:31:15:
Thus saith the LORD;
A voice was heard in Ramah,
lamentation,
and bitter weeping;
Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children,
because they were not.
Jer:31:16:
Thus saith the LORD;
Refrain thy voice from weeping,
and thine eyes from tears:
for thy work shall be rewarded,
saith the LORD;
and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
Jer:31:17:
And there is hope in thine end,
saith the LORD,
that thy children shall come again to their own border.

The lesson includes a qualification that has to be met for God to be involved, those same children that he allowed to die have to be brought back to the land where all people are alive. That also makes the grave the land of the enen=my in prophecy rather than it being any specific Gentile Nation. All the other prophecies have to support that view or there is a flaw in the book, that is not something that God would allow. A bunch of little truths still end up being a big picture if there are enough of them.

The 'not so small change verse for seal #1.

Isa:49:2:
And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword;
in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me,
and made me a polished shaft;
in his quiver hath he hid me;

That one small change has the ripple effect. If the seal and the trumps are the 'God said" part and the trumps are the 'and it was so' part then that helps sorting out how it goes down once the references are included. That would include being told that a whole time is 42 months and the first part takes 5 months and the 2nd part takes up the rest how many months is that? Using some other numbers it will show the 1st 4 trumps all sound in 4 days and then the 5th and 6th take 1260 days and then the day of return happens. If some live through the vial then they will see the return as being as Re:10 describes, if they die on that day they see it as Re:16 describes. Same day that has some 'extremes' to it and none of it is left to our imagination. The 12 books listed after Daniel takes care of that for us.

God DOES exist.
He will also be looking at your post for errors. Should it not have the caps go this way? GOD does exist.
 

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He would get his reward if God made him part of a sultan's harem wouldn't he? The wealthy first wife would be the boss so I think he knows not what he wishes for. IMO
 

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Would you live your life differently if God existed and when I ask that hypothetical question I mean that God existed beyond irrefutable proof to you personally whatever that proof might constitute?

I find it difficult to accept that people, religious or secular, with all their faults and violence and selfishness etc would continue to live the way they do if they knew for sure their actions now were being judged for an eternal after life. For example, would you still buy the latest iPhone or if God actually existed would you send the money overseas to cure blindness in a dozen children?

Because God does exist, I do live my life differently, GFPB. It's not about judgment. I am motivated/mentored by Grace/Truth.

"I was blind but now I see!” (John 9:25 NIV)
 

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Because God does exist, I do live my life differently, GFPB. It's not about judgment. I am motivated/mentored by Grace/Truth.

"I was blind but now I see!” (John 9:25 NIV)


So, if God didn't exist you would live your life differently than you do now? What? You would do a lot more rape and pillaging?
 

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lol well cj the lyrics from Mr. Grinch are certainly appropriate for the way some people have created their God. Mankind is an appalling dump heap I won't argue with you and yet so many have risen above that and continue to do so on a daily basis. We are flawed, even the people that I would say have risen to self actualization, and wisdom are flawed. Still when we acknowledge the human capacity for goodness, love, kindness, correct self sacrifice there is such depth and potential for goodness in most individuals.

The world in which we live is a sewer in many instances. In the greatest country on earth, babies go hungry, children suffer neglect, animals are abused, women are hit, young men die on the street. our old are abandoned. Yet still there is so much goodness. Currently I am working in a school that has a LINC program. Language Instruction for Newcomers to Canada. They know what horror is, and yet.............here they are. We went and got them...Canada. We brought them here. And they struggle. In the winter women come to school with their toddlers all bundled up and with sandals on their feet. Such are individuals, caring for those who need to be cared for, giving when there is little left to give from.

Of course there is flawed parenting, and cruelty, and lack of love, and abuse. I do not believe in sin so to me we are not stained individuals, good and bad are relative. god's anger and wickedness, support of slavery, misogyny are man attributing their own flaws to god.
Sal,
I think a topic about constructing gods would make for a nice thread. Setting aside the doctrines/teachings of various religions, I think the question that needs an answer is "What's up with the human species?" We can say we are flawed and make mistakes - but why? Our family member is an officer with the Chicago PD. He had told us about a peculiar domestic call. He arrived at the home of a couple. The woman was beating her husband with frozen hamburger patties. Then, perhaps you heard a recent news headline about a New York man that chopped his mother's head off, proceeded to kick it down the boulevard and then finally decided to do a face plant on the engine of a speeding train. Now, this New York man - is it prudent to characterize his behavoir as a "mistake". Should this experience be used to teach him a "life lesson". The frozen meat chucker could probably benefit from some behavorial modification therapy.

Jesus - Is he Lord (God), Lunatic or a Liar? Luke 11:11-13 - “Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13 If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”

That is quite a strongly worded statement from Jesus.

Sal, you do good work up there in Canada. I see God is at work blessing others through you.
 

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Absolutely, Gerry. If God did not exist, I would not either.
Really??at that point I would still follow the instructions.

1Co:15:32:
If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus,
what advantageth it me,
if the dead rise not?
let us eat and drink;
for to morrow we die.

Your faithful display of Christ-dishonoring conduct remains unrivaled in this forum, ger.
One of the first people I ever had an in-depth chat with about the Bible had about 6 points that he held onto for deal life. Even years later of wandering around reading about more theories mine altered over time, he was exactly the same, my original replies got the same answer as it did the first go around. Can't explain it nor do I want to, I remember being somewhat relieved that it wasn't me in that position.
 

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Really??at that point I would still follow the instructions.

Allow me to re-phrase, MH. If God did not exist, I would not exist. There would be no instructions and no following.
 

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I can see why you can say you believe in God and leave it at that with a return comments that would something like, 'It's a bit more involved than that.' as I would also want to include the rest of the book as support for those 6 chapters being real enough that I believe in God. I'm probably more impressed with the whole book even after looking for any flaws, still looking and the odds of finding any are getting pretty slim.
My usual followers here don't like to encourage any chatting about a fictitious God let alone one that is literal and the bible is a list of what He has done in the past and a few words about what to expect in the future. You might say you have heard about the child of light passage in the NT and would agree that there is such a group but then I would dump a few passages on you that shows more detail about that group. The Bible has more on the more important events and less on the lesser ones.
The OT and the 4 Gospels tell all there about the bruise to the heel. Thew parts that don't apply to that apply what the NT covers starting with the group mentioned in Acts:10. Perhaps our views are different because tou read it from front to end like a novel and when I did it I could what would be called an index that put the passages into subjects and I read it that way also.

I also think that leave the topic of Ge:1-3 being God's expanded explanation of what the word beginning means and the last 3 chapters would be His explanation of how the 'end' is. If God was talking about powers of 10 in Ge:1 then that points to God being literal does it not?