I think that Canada may be a little too "Multicultural"

Lessie

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I just seem to have noticed lately that our traditions and our way of life that many of us who are Born "Naturalized" Canadians are used to for a long time, seem to be disappearing or changing due to demands or new ideas or "politically correct" situations that have come up.

the biggest example I can think of is Christmas.

it appears that in Canada, when an Immigrant comes to live in Canada, they bring their entire country with them and then it seems like they expect others to allow and respect their traditions while they don't want to respect ours.

I think that all these issues depend chiefly from you, from Canadian people. If you don’t want that immigrants change your culture .. I think you could do something about it. For example tell your opinion to your Government or so.. :roll:
 

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I think that all these issues depend chiefly from you, from Canadian people. If you don’t want that immigrants change your culture .. I think you could do something about it. For example tell your opinion to your Government or so.. :roll:

Ummmmmmmmmmm, Our gov't. isn't like that. Hearing can be a little dim. :lol:
 

Lessie

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Ummmmmmmmmmm, Our gov't. isn't like that. Hearing can be a little dim. :lol:

Maybe I don't understand you correctly... You mean that Canadian Government will not consider the opinion of Canadian citizens about this problem?
 

petros

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Which group is it that we should stop from immigrating?

It's not as easy to get in to Canada as many of you believe it is so don't blow any more gaskets or you'll end up in a hospital being treated by the foreigners that you don't want.
 

Lessie

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They may consider it but that is about all. :smile:

Well, there exist some method of influence for their decision (street manifistation for example :) )
Finally the members of Government are chosen by people!

Even publication your opinion in newspaper or blog – is a big deal for solve any problem. Of course – if you want. It is your country!
 
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Ariadne

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So what? You want to have your cake and eat it too. Just because the indigenous societies were not what the Europeans brought with them doesn't mean the Europeans were any better. The locals had agriculture, they had music, they had art, they had politics, they had language.

In fact this rationalization of yours is precisely what you appear to be suspicious of when new immigrants bring their cultural and societal norms with them.

If two people come together, one has invented the tricycle, and the other has invented the automobile, and they are going to live together, should the tricycle be adopted as the best mode of transportation?

Similarly, if one person lives under the ground while the other has designed and built this, should everyone then decide to live underground:

http://0.tqn.com/d/architecture/1/0/M/q/Versailles51375217sm.jpg

I'm not suspicious of different cultures, but within the process of immigration today I do believe that the world can offer everyone a place that meets their cultural practices. In today's world, I find it odd that someone leaves a place that suits them and moves to a place that doesn't suit them ... only to try to make the new place change to meet their needs. Today's world has well defined diverse cultural, religious and political values and if someone wants to immigrate from a place with one set of values to a place with very different values, I would hope that one of the primary reasons they are immigrating is because they too value the cultural, religious and political practices of the place where they are immigrating.
 

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If two people come together, one has invented the tricycle, and the other has invented the automobile, and they are going to live together, should the tricycle be adopted as the best mode of transportation?
Put the tricycle in the trunk and use it when you can't drive.
 

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If two people come together, one has invented the tricycle, and the other has invented the automobile, and they are going to live together, should the tricycle be adopted as the best mode of transportation?

Do you think cultures can be objectively determined to be better or worse? I don't, and that's a trap that many have fallen into in anthropological and historical analysis. They can be judged however to be compatible. Moreover, you have explicitly stated earlier that you think others should have to adapt. If someone chooses to ride a tricycle, rather than adapt and make a motorized tricycle, it's no concern of yours, or at least it shouldn't be.

Over time people do integrate with the mainstream, because cultures are hegemonic. So long as the basic laws of our land are being followed, I couldn't care less how others choose to speak, gather, celebrate, or go about in any other fashion that they choose to live and express themselves by.

I think it's regrettable that over time cultures diminish, but it's inevitable. Trying to force cultural change by dictating how immigrants should interact is interference that I'm opposed to. Again, so long as what is happening is lawful, then nobody should be interfering. For one, it can have the opposite effect that is intended. Alienating new immigrants is deleterious, and interrupts their natural homogenization into Canadian society.
 

petros

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We don't need more paranoid people locked in their homes staring at TV, smoking, eating fat and high fructose so called food and drink bitching about the weather and govt.

We have enough of those Canadians already.
 

Ariadne

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Do you think cultures can be objectively determined to be better or worse? I don't, and that's a trap that many have fallen into in anthropological and historical analysis. They can be judged however to be compatible. Moreover, you have explicitly stated earlier that you think others should have to adapt. If someone chooses to ride a tricycle, rather than adapt and make a motorized tricycle, it's no concern of yours, or at least it shouldn't be.

Over time people do integrate with the mainstream, because cultures are hegemonic. So long as the basic laws of our land are being followed, I couldn't care less how others choose to speak, gather, celebrate, or go about in any other fashion that they choose to live and express themselves by.

I think it's regrettable that over time cultures diminish, but it's inevitable. Trying to force cultural change by dictating how immigrants should interact is interference that I'm opposed to. Again, so long as what is happening is lawful, then nobody should be interfering. For one, it can have the opposite effect that is intended. Alienating new immigrants is deleterious, and interrupts their natural homogenization into Canadian society.

I haven't said anything about better or worse, I am talking about diversity, and a hope that people choose what is best for them; that they choose to live in a place that best reflects their values.

Historically, there have been more and less innovative groups of people. The middle ages in Europe was a mixing of all of those groups of people. The result was that skills and trades from each group were shared throughout Europe such that architectural and engineering innovations flourished.

If Canada provides the right for all women to have an education and work, but religious beliefs do not permit these rights, should the religious beliefs be given greater priority?
 

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I haven't said anything about better or worse, I am talking about diversity, and a hope that people choose what is best for them;

You don't think people choose what is best for them? I think most do. But that's not the impression you're giving me, especially when you question how a woman dresses and question whether or not that is Canadian. I don't think Canada is well defined by the dress of our inhabitants...with the exception of our winter clothes :lol:
 

petros

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I don't think Canada is well defined by the dress of our inhabitants...with the exception of our winter clothes :lol:
Winter apparel isn't unque to Canadians nor are the styles.
 

JLM

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Well, there exist some method of influence for their decision (street manifistation for example :) )
Finally the members of Government are chosen by people!

Even publication your opinion in newspaper or blog – is a big deal for solve any problem. Of course – if you want. It is your country!

Yep, I used to write to the editor but seldom do any more. Save that for the REALLY important stuff, to be effective you can't do that too much, people get tired of listening and you lose your credibily after awhile. We have a local situation here where every one wants to recall their provincial M.L.A. (over a problem that will go away as soon as a bigger one arises) . One thing I've learned in life, you generally only reap from what you do for yourself. To change Gov't. you have one chance every 4 years or so and the individuals effect is miniscule.
 

Ariadne

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You don't think people choose what is best for them? I think most do. But that's not the impression you're giving me, especially when you question how a woman dresses and question whether or not that is Canadian. I don't think Canada is well defined by the dress of our inhabitants...with the exception of our winter clothes :lol:

During halloween, people wear costumes that they think are scary. They drape themselves in black from head to toe and call themselves witches. Terrorists and criminals wear black to cover their faces. Canadians do make associations between what people are wearing and how they are perceived. People that cover their faces except for their eyes, or cover their entire bodies in black except for their eyes, are creating an association in Canada between how they are dressed and how they are perceived.

Furthermore, I don't think that women that are draped in black cloth, except for a slit near their eyes, have access to all the rights that women have achieved. That is not an outfit that would work in many work environments not because of discrimination, but because that outfit would interfere with job performance. Religions that require women to wear black drapes and have their peripheral vision impaired are by definition interfering with the rights of those women. If the men in those religions also wore those black drapes, it wouldn't take more than a day for people in that religion to realize the limitations of their religion. When it is only women that are required to be handicapped, one has to wonder if the rights of those women are respected according to the laws of Canada.
 

petros

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Is this halloween?

 

JLM

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There was no unified, identifiable, civilized culture when Europeans arrived. Would you prefer that original immigrants lived in Teepees and waited for some tribe to figure out how to build a house, or that they go ahead an build an architectural marvel?

A profound statement to be sure. Can you attach links?

There was no unified, identifiable, civilized culture when Europeans arrived. Would you prefer that original immigrants lived in Teepees and waited for some tribe to figure out how to build a house, or that they go ahead an build an architectural marvel?

What do you consider is "civilized"? Are not rituals, ceremonies, dances, food gathering and processes all part of being civilized? What about home construction and the carvings necessary for tools, canoes etc.? Seems to me their life was more harmonious with each other and the environment than was evident in Europe. If anything perhaps the Aboriginals were more civilized. :smile:
 

Ariadne

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A profound statement to be sure. Can you attach links?



What do you consider is "civilized"? Are not rituals, ceremonies, dances, food gathering and processes all part of being civilized? What about home construction and the carvings necessary for tools, canoes etc.? Seems to me their life was more harmonious with each other and the environment than was evident in Europe. If anything perhaps the Aboriginals were more civilized. :smile:

I'm not going to search for links proving that the level of sophistication and industrialization of cultures was far advanced in Europe compared to Canada. Transportation methods such as a canoe versus a viking ship speak for themselves. Canada had primarily nomadic tribes that chased their food. Europeans figured out how to build one house, and then keep their food in their gardens and yards. Chasing food versus ensuring it is continuously available ... which is a more advanced society?

I'm also not convinced that scalping people was any more civilized or harmonious. At least the Romans let the lions do the scalping.