Horror Day of Israeli Attacks:
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At least you got the iron dome launching before there is a target so you got that part right.
For the Hamas one you rubbed out the Med Sea as the background. The original photo was all of them on a couch watching some American western and being in awe of all the fancy tools they had to help with the daily living. Mostly they like the arrows the Indians shoot because they don't have warheads.
For the Hamas one you rubbed out the Med Sea as the background. The original photo was all of them on a couch watching some American western and being in awe of all the fancy tools they had to help with the daily living. Mostly they like the arrows the Indians shoot because they don't have warheads.
From the piece Cliffy posted, quote:
And what shall we do, we ordinary people? I pray we can listen to our hearts. My heart tells me that “never again” is not a tribal slogan, that the murder of my grandparents in Auschwitz does not justify the ongoing dispossession of Palestinians, that justice, truth, peace are not tribal prerogatives. That Israel’s “right to defend itself,” unarguable in principle, does not validate mass killing.
And what shall we do, we ordinary people? I pray we can listen to our hearts. My heart tells me that “never again” is not a tribal slogan, that the murder of my grandparents in Auschwitz does not justify the ongoing dispossession of Palestinians, that justice, truth, peace are not tribal prerogatives. That Israel’s “right to defend itself,” unarguable in principle, does not validate mass killing.
Came here to post this.
My god what a wonderfully written piece.
As a Jewish youngster growing up in Budapest, an infant survivor of the Nazi genocide, I was for years haunted by a question resounding in my brain with such force that sometimes my head would spin: “How was it possible? How could the world have let such horrors happen?”
It was a naïve question, that of a child. I know better now: such is reality. Whether in Vietnam or Rwanda or Syria, humanity stands by either complicitly or unconsciously or helplessly, as it always does. In Gaza today we find ways of justifying the bombing of hospitals, the annihilation of families at dinner, the killing of pre-adolescents playing soccer on a beach.
In Israel-Palestine the powerful party has succeeded in painting itself as the victim, while the ones being killed and maimed become the perpetrators. “They don’t care about life,”
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says, abetted by the Obamas and Harpers of this world, “we do.” Netanyahu, you who with surgical precision slaughter innocents, the young and the old, you who have cruelly blockaded Gaza for years, starving it of necessities, you who deprive Palestinians of more and more of their land, their water, their crops, their trees — you care about life?
There is no understanding Gaza out of context — Hamas rockets or unjustifiable terrorist attacks on civilians — and that context is the longest ongoing ethnic cleansing operation in the recent and present centuries, the ongoing attempt to destroy Palestinian nationhood.
The Palestinians use tunnels? So did my heroes, the poorly armed fighters of the Warsaw Ghetto. Unlike Israel, Palestinians lack Apache helicopters, guided drones, jet fighters with bombs, laser-guided artillery. Out of impotent defiance, they fire inept rockets, causing terror for innocent Israelis but rarely physical harm. With such a gross imbalance of power, there is no equivalence of culpability.
Israel wants peace? Perhaps, but as the veteran Israeli journalist Gideon Levy has pointed out, it does not want a just peace. Occupation and creeping annexation, an inhumane blockade, the destruction of olive groves, the arbitrary imprisonment of thousands, torture, daily humiliation of civilians, house demolitions: these are not policies compatible with any desire for a just peace. In Tel Aviv Gideon Levy now moves around with a bodyguard, the price of speaking the truth.
I have visited Gaza and the West Bank. I saw multi-generational Palestinian families weeping in hospitals around the bedsides of their wounded, at the graves of their dead. These are not people who do not care about life. They are like us — Canadians, Jews, like anyone: they celebrate life, family, work, education, food, peace, joy. And they are capable of hatred, they can harbour vengeance in the hearts, just like we can.
One could debate details, historical and current, back and forth. Since my days as a young Zionist and, later, as a member of Jews for a Just Peace, I have often done so. I used to believe that if people knew the facts, they would open to the truth. That, too, was naïve. This issue is far too charged with emotion. As the spiritual teacher Eckhart Tolle has pointed out, the accumulated mutual pain in the Middle East is so acute, “a significant part of the population finds itself forced to act it out in an endless cycle of perpetration and retribution.”
“People’s leaders have been misleaders, so they that are led have been confused,” in the words of the prophet Jeremiah. The voices of justice and sanity are not heeded. Netanyahu has his reasons. Harper and Obama have theirs.
And what shall we do, we ordinary people? I pray we can listen to our hearts. My heart tells me that “never again” is not a tribal slogan, that the murder of my grandparents in
Auschwitz does not justify the ongoing dispossession of Palestinians, that justice, truth, peace are not tribal prerogatives. That Israel’s “right to defend itself,” unarguable in principle, does not validate mass killing.
A few days ago I met with one of my dearest friends, a comrade from Zionist days and now professor emeritus at an Israeli university. We spoke of everything but the daily savagery depicted on our TV screens. We both feared the rancour that would arise.
But, I want to say to my friend, can we not be sad together at what that beautiful old dream of Jewish redemption has come to? Can we not grieve the death of innocents? I am sad these days. Can we not at least mourn together?
Ya but, the propaganda munching sheeple who swallow the "Israel's right to defend herself" whole without critical thought will poo poo this as usual.
Ah! I see. You are constipated Wally. Not chewing your propaganda well enough?
It's a 2-way street.
Arguing that because Palestine has a less effective (military) presence is therefore the victim is a bizarre position.
I believe that it is also fair to say that blaming the Israelis for the toll on the civilian population has only limited justification as Hamas is specifically immersing themselves among the civilians and engaging their own aggressions.
Like I have said before, maybe the time has come to get both parties out in the open, away from the civilian population, and get them fight it out and be done with it (at least for some time).
It's always been about the greater burden on the stronger party.
It's the same reason we don't condone people socking their kids in the face after getting tapped on the shin.
It's the same reason we don't condone people socking their kids in the face after getting tapped on the shin.
I agree with that... However, if that kid keeps tapping your shins long after the message/request to stop is sent, what's the next step?
The Israeli Prime Minister has flatly stated that Israel is purposely targeting the civilian population to impose maximum civilian casualties on women and children. He said this when greeting Hilary Clinton to Israel and stated "and you understand why."
Ya put a bunch of yahoos with fire crackers and zip guns up against one of the best equipped military machines on the planet. Yup, sure! That is what is happening and would happen if your plan was put into place, captain.
Ya put a bunch of yahoos with fire crackers and zip guns up against one of the best equipped military machines on the planet. Yup, sure! That is what is happening and would happen if your plan was put into place, captain.
So are the Palestinian fighters... Why is one's actions acceptable and the others cruel?
No one 'put' the Palestinian fighters up against the Israelis, they voluntarily inserted themselves into the fray... Hell, one might argue that there continued aggressions against the Israelis is the sole reason that there are deaths among their innocents.
The David and Goliath argument falls short in my books when one group (the signal underdog) continually steps back into the ring knowingly prepared for a beating with the only upside being perhaps the deaths of their children might generate a marketing opportunity
'My plan' would never include pushing women, seniors and children infront of a military juggernaut and then poke that army with a stick.
.. I'm not a coward
This is becoming too stupid to even address. It is extremely frustrating when its obvious what is happening and no one seems to see it for what it is.
People readily march on the streets when it involves Israel but Boco Harm, ISIS (or whatever) kill THOUSDANDS in cold blood - where are the marchers now??
The hypocrisy is unbelievable!
JMHO
Not really. You can see through AGW propaganda but buy this hook, line and sphincter?
Not at all. Nutlessyahud says one thing and Shin Bet says another that makes sense. You're buying the Nutlessyahud line.
Neither of which justifies the insanity of pushing women/children into the Lion's mouth.