Horrendous sanitary conditions in northern Manitoba
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There has always been money to be made. It's the lack of interest of going and making money that is the issue. It takes balls.
I wasn't referring to fixing the water problem. I was referring to special interest folks.
Im just as guilty as some other whitemen on the forum here of spewing forth filth about natives.... While on the other hand im like most white people in that i want their to be a fair answer deal for both sides to all the outstanding treaties and debts... I understand that they the natives have the right to live on reserves, but im starting to think reserve system is an archaic system thats not fulfulling its intended purposes.. (if they ever did at all).... Id like to see individual reserves with the population gain township status's, and have smaller ones close together ammalgomate together to form townships... Make them official, that way these new towns can repair their untilities the same way a city like Sudbury does... (Even if our council is full of idiots :lol
I hear some reserves in BC are actually towns....That way in my opinion a wider range of investment can be more easily brought to these remote locations, that way there might be some companies left after the mines leave the remote areas.... And more oppourtunities for the future... As a non native im tired of seeing natives abuse their rights in wildlife managment to support their drug habits... But im sure that this would be cultural genocide because i would imagine that some people wouldnt want to abandon they way of life, which is understandable...
I hear some reserves in BC are actually towns....That way in my opinion a wider range of investment can be more easily brought to these remote locations, that way there might be some companies left after the mines leave the remote areas.... And more oppourtunities for the future... As a non native im tired of seeing natives abuse their rights in wildlife managment to support their drug habits... But im sure that this would be cultural genocide because i would imagine that some people wouldnt want to abandon they way of life, which is understandable...
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Most people who know anything about water systems would want to know why they don't have clean water, so that some method can be determined to ensure they'll get clean water tomorrow, and the day after, too.
But that takes some thought, so I can see why some prefer not to go that route.
Zoom.
It's so complicated that....
...a one stop solution is the way to go?
So you think we should go in to all the reserves and impose our will upon those who live there? Because there is no poverty or sub-standard living conditions in any Canadian municipality right?
What about those reserves that don't have horrendous sanitary conditions? You know, the successful ones that don't live in squalor, what about those?
This solution would also require us to willfully neglect all treaty and land claims both with current and pending court challenges as well as ones that have been settled. Or do we just strip them of all their constitutional rights as well?
You do realize that treaty rights of aboriginal peoples in Canada is recognized in the Constitution right? Do we just scrap that too?
A one-stop solution to make Indians Canadians, yes. Because the treaties in the old days meant something, there was a power balance in the 16th to 19th centuries, now there isn't, they lost. Treaty means contract, an exchange of benefits, we get none from Indians now. The honour of the crown just means money from the crown now. The traffic is all one way, time to end it.
In the Constitution it discusses rights in a free and democratic society. That's what Canada is. Women were very upset in the old days when they lacked rights, could not vote, and were the property of men. Society worked to change those laws. Now Indians have more rights, entrenched in the constitutiion, and that is not justifiable in a free and democratic society. Equality for all is justice.
All the court claims can be wound down, it will take time, but it can be done.
Say, pay all Indians $10,000 each for five years, which is what the Dept of Indian Affairs spends right now, but that $10 billion yearly is largely eaten up by paper pushers like bureaucrats and lawyers. $10 billion per year, for what?
I'm sure rezes in SK would be more productive if they weren't given land that was useless for crops or cattle grazing. The English didn't just **** over the Natives on good lands. They ****ed over immigrants too.
1, They still mean something.
2, There was no power balance. If you actually had a degree in history, you be aware of the Royal proclamation of 1763.
3, 'they lost' what?
But the Crown did, thus the contract is binding.
Of course, now that you have what you want, break the contract.
Where will you be settling in Europe?
If you're going to invoke the Charter, the contracts you keep demanding be broken, are protected by the Charter.
I've asked you and cannuck numerous times, what these 'more rights' are.
Neither of you have ever been able to tell me.
Why is that?
Ya, if you ignore peoples basic Charter rights, and contractual law.
You'll owe more then $10,000 a year for 5 years/Status Native, in just breach of contract suits.
I know you think it's so easy to just break a contract. It's almost as if you've never been party to one. But there are ramification for breaking them. Legal ramifications.
You just said it was largely eaten up by bureaucrats and lawyers. So what's left after that?
Oh, you mean like Russell Peters?
Only the entire country.
Seriously, I don't want to move. All my stuff is here.
No what's entrenched in the constitution is recognition of the treaties and land claims for aboriginals. You know, all those contracts you want to break.
Indians are lucky, they appear to have a constiutional right to poverty. Aren't they lucky. And it should be protected at all costs of course, because political rights are most important in this world. Physical pleasure like clean water can easily be poo-pooed. Gotta always fight for that stolen land back, that's the priority as all good pursue that noble goal.
I'm all for changing these useless political rights. But I'm much too tired to actually do anything, my water is just fine thanks.
There are many reserves extant in Canada today that have managed through prudence and good governance to flourish, providing employment for their people along with the positive cash flow that results in a healthy economy. However, many of them are situated in areas that make it much easier to create employment for their members. This is not so in remote communities which do not have natural resources that can be used to attract business. I don’t know what the solution to this really important problem is but I do know that it is an issue that must be addressed.
Every child in Canada deserves a decent education from grade school through high school – that to me is a bedrock of our society. That said, what is going to happen to students whose education stops at Grade 12 or returning university graduates? Where will the jobs come from for people wishing to return to a remote reserve. It is not the job of the government to 'create' jobs - that is the business of the private sector.
What is happening now in Attawapiskat is saddening but throwing more money at the reserve is not the solution. Been there, done that - and with nothing to show for it.
Once the CBC news crews, the Red Cross, the MPs, the MLAs etc, etc. leave Attawapiskat it will once again fade into obscurity as has happened all too often in the past with other reserves in crisis. Will the reserve finally have houses that won't be damaged by the melting permafrost? Will the reserve have jobs for their people? It would be nice to think so, but me, I highly doubt that will be the case.
Is relocation the answers to problems facing remote reserves? I don't know, but I do believe it is something that should be up for debate. We can't keep throwing money at a problem that may have no resolution as is the case with some remote reserves.
Every child in Canada deserves a decent education from grade school through high school – that to me is a bedrock of our society. That said, what is going to happen to students whose education stops at Grade 12 or returning university graduates? Where will the jobs come from for people wishing to return to a remote reserve. It is not the job of the government to 'create' jobs - that is the business of the private sector.
What is happening now in Attawapiskat is saddening but throwing more money at the reserve is not the solution. Been there, done that - and with nothing to show for it.
Once the CBC news crews, the Red Cross, the MPs, the MLAs etc, etc. leave Attawapiskat it will once again fade into obscurity as has happened all too often in the past with other reserves in crisis. Will the reserve finally have houses that won't be damaged by the melting permafrost? Will the reserve have jobs for their people? It would be nice to think so, but me, I highly doubt that will be the case.
Is relocation the answers to problems facing remote reserves? I don't know, but I do believe it is something that should be up for debate. We can't keep throwing money at a problem that may have no resolution as is the case with some remote reserves.
Why is it that in just about anyplace in Canada, if you build a house according the requirements of
the National Building Code, that house will appreciate in value and continue to appreciate as long
as you take care of it.
Build that same house on a reservation and it will be a pile of junk in five or ten years. James Bay
is a prime example. We keep throwing money at these problems but we don't solve anything. It's
time to take another road.
the National Building Code, that house will appreciate in value and continue to appreciate as long
as you take care of it.
Build that same house on a reservation and it will be a pile of junk in five or ten years. James Bay
is a prime example. We keep throwing money at these problems but we don't solve anything. It's
time to take another road.
CBC is giving some pretty good coverage right now on TV. about this.
I agree,time to take a new road,this isnt working.
I agree,time to take a new road,this isnt working.
Says in the link below that this reserve has been getting $50,000 per year for five years. Much of the money has gone to Las Vegas casinos, shows, night clubs and cathouses, one may surmise. Revealing the chiefs income, that'll help, as they keep on spending on whatever. Pre-modern people are not democratic and do not believe in equality.
Bob Rae called this a national disgrace, no it's not. Checking google news, there was nothing about this story outside Canada. Poor people are not news. Like Asia and Africa don't have millions of their own. Not too many jobs in remote areas of Asia either.
Harper vows 'action' on Ontario's Attawapiskat reserve
Bob Rae called this a national disgrace, no it's not. Checking google news, there was nothing about this story outside Canada. Poor people are not news. Like Asia and Africa don't have millions of their own. Not too many jobs in remote areas of Asia either.
Harper vows 'action' on Ontario's Attawapiskat reserve
Perhaps we should be relocating them to some decent land that was theirs before we stole it, say some land now occupied by rich white people, preferably politicians and industrialists. Take them out of their squalor and settle them on prime real estate. It should be a national priority before any more spending on foreign military actions.
So when your article says...
You take that as a license to just make up what you want?
See last reply. Although First Nations Leadership, need to make their payroll a matter of public knowledge.
No, they just have matriarchal societies, provide programs available to anybody, and have constitutions that other countries have copied.