I would say a combination of federal and provincial funds. I'm guessing that we are talking about
a couple billion dollar at least but I'm no expert at building railroads.
Horrendous sanitary conditions in northern Manitoba
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I would say a combination of federal and provincial funds. I'm guessing that we are talking about
a couple billion dollar at least but I'm no expert at building railroads.
Neither am, I estimated tens of millions, lol.
It's not a bad idea, it has a lot of rough terrain to circumnavigate, it would bring more tourism to the area.
But Moosonee might get upset at losing the coveted seat as "Last Stop", lol.
Just to give an idea where Attawapiskat is: Scroll north...;-)
The railroad goes as far as Moosonee, which is about thirty miles or so from Attawapiskap. Building a rail
link to Attawapikap would be a long term solution to most of these problems.
Actualy....It's well over a hundred miles ...as the crow flies with the construction of several bridges...a real big one at fort albany would be needed.
On your map from Kapuskasing to Timmins in straight line I happen to know is 80 to 90 miles
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I was waiting for you to chime in, since it's your backyard, lol.
I think I'll concede to Juan's estimate of billions.
I just read that the Rodger's Pass section of the trans Canada highway cost around a million dollars a mile.
Would the railroad cost twice as much? That would make it roughly sixty to seventy million dollars.
Moosonee would just have to get used to it.
Just the bridges at fort Albany would take a good deal of the money...
I had to wait to verify my distance estimates with my GPS.... and I did give a low number...:smile:
#Juan - Rogers Pass was built between 1957 and 1962 at a time when solid rock removal and replacement was about $1.69 a yard. Today you would be looking at $20 a yard. Also construction procedures today, are much more strict than when Rogers Pass was built: in those days if you encountered a swamp you dumped fill and carried on, today you avoid the swamp if AT ALL possible or you build another swamp to replace it. It is just an entirely different ball game today. Bridges are built now to withstand skookum earthquakes.
I have no idea sir. Your guess would be as good as mine.
But I bet your original estimate would be highly likely.
DaS can atest to the tenacity of those crazy Moosonee'rs. Could spell trouble, lol.
I keep focusing on the Muskeg. That sh!t's hard to deal with. Generally you either go over, or around. In either case, expensive.
I've dealt with muskeg on a couple occasions, it is miserable stuff.
I agree with your distance measurement. That makes those bridges major construction. We are probably close
a billion for the rail extention.
Sometime ago some old guys had to subsdize the toilets we all **** in. It's time to step down from the throne and move on and ensure those in waiting get a turn. (BYOTP)
Nope, I don't gamble...not even 6/49.
That's only because you aren't very perceptive.
I didn't ask what it's ethnic background was. That type of thing is only important to people like you.
As per usual, you are wrong.
Yup, rail to the north should be a national project like the CPR and the Transcanada. Get er done.
Wow, all that energy. I must have hit a soft spot.
You should probably take a break, the net seems to getting to you again.
I'm only going by your own words.
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I worked on one of nunavuts longest roads to the meadowbank mine from Baker lake,it was 108 kilometers of road to go 30 kilometers and had many bridges just because of the topography and all the lakes and streams.
Permafrost and muskeg isnt bad to work with once you realize it's totally different procedure then working anywhere in the south.
When the ground is frozen to the surface as in the wintertime it only takes a minimum of 1 meter of clean rock fill over it to build a road base,the ground underneath will rarely rethaw once covered.
Nuna was the prime contractor on that job and whatever that road cost is about what a rail line row would cost in that country.
We did that road in just over a year with 300 meters a day being a good day.you need a rock quarry every 5 miles or so and allmost all rock used has to be blasted and being the canadian shield its very expensive.
It would allmost be cheaper to move the whole community.
Heres what construction of an all weather road looks like in the north.
Gallery: Agnico Eagle Tehek. | Nuna Logistics
Ive flown over Attiwapiskat and to build a rail line up to the reserve is a very big challenge. Victor Mine which is close to the reserve has a hard enough time keeping its winter road open. Once the place thaws out the enitre area is one big swamp full of loon **** and muskeg....
Been awhile so Im not sure of the numbers but as one of the hardest rocks in the world its hard on drills and stick explosives are used when Anfo cant be which also makes it more expensive.It probably costs 4 times or more then blasting sedimentary rock like in the south here.What makes it expensive is distance,Dynamite is expensive to fly in,lots of procedures to follow and anfo while cheap still requires diesel which is allways at a premium.We used to chopper in big bags of ammonium nitrate and make our own anfo.
Real corrosive stuff.
I miss those days, don't miss the cold though.Been awhile so Im not sure of the numbers but as one of the hardest rocks in the world its hard on drills and stick explosives are used when Anfo cant be which also makes it more expensive.It probably costs 4 times or more then blasting sedimentary rock like in the south here.What makes it expensive is distance,Dynamite is expensive to fly in,lots of procedures to follow and anfo while cheap still requires diesel which is allways at a premium.We used to chopper in big bags of ammonium nitrate and make our own anfo.
Real corrosive stuff.
You were being hard? Here's an idea, stop making it so easy for me to point out your hypocrisy. That way it'll at least be sporting.
I think building the railroad from Moosonee to Attawapiskat would be the best solution. The biggest problem in
Attawapiskat is transporting food and necessities that last hundred miles from Moosonee which adds immensely
to the cost.