Homosexuality is a Death Worthy Crime Leviticus 20:13

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There is a reason Cliffy doesn't remember the e-chairs back in school. That is one of the effects of 96V DC to !@&^$%@#^% and your $%&*$ for 33 seconds. You don't want to know what was making the nuns use the 'naughty boy' term in a variety of occasions that actual seem to be polar opposites. (with does 'good naughty boy even mean Cliffy?)

Cliffy if your version wasn't so wrong it wouldn't be interesting. As a model of social conditioning the whole reservation/residential school thing was a bust as far as what the stated intentions were, slow genocide and experimentation on living people. To classify you as being a character in the Bible you would be the one saying Christ is found in the desert (without any version of the Bible to guide you so creation of all things in now in the believers hand, the Flock becoming their own Shepherds if you will and with roaring success because, as everyone knows, instructions are there to intentionally slow you down.

Considering what abuse by ones saying they belong to Christ is not a good thing, . . . for them, for the abused there is a silver lining as their (sinful) actions after is not put onto their shoulders.

M't:5:3:
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
More psychobabble from the village clown. I never went to residential school. I went to the catholic school. That is about as much of your nonsense as could make out from the above diatribe. What I do know is that Jesus was down on those who make a public spectacle of their so called faith. So, I think JC is probably pissed at you.
 

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The Old Testament can only be understood through the lens of the New Testament, which refocussed the message from God's vengeance to God's redeeming grace through Christ.

The Old Testament was meant to trod the path to the New. But as Christ said, nothing of the Mosaic Law has changed.. it's juridical practice has been reassigned to personal responsibility.. love thy neighbour and avoid hypocrisy.

And Jesus said "you who are without sin, cast the first stone".
Acts 22:27-29. Mosaic law applies only to Jews.
 

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Acts 22:27-29. Mosaic law applies only to Jews.

Mosaic Law applies to the law of the the Torah.. the first 5 books of the Christian Bible. And it most definitely applies to all, starting with the 10 Commandments and progressing to strictures on conduct including sexuality. The only thing that applies only to Jews is observance of Talmudic civil, dietary, liturgical and devotional ritual.. which is something different.
 

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Mosaic Law applies to the law of the the Torah.. the first 5 books of the Christian Bible. And it most definitely applies to all, starting with the 10 Commandments and progressing to strictures on conduct including sexuality. The only thing that applies only to Jews is observance of Talmudic civil, dietary, liturgical and devotional ritual.. which is something different.
Acts 22:27-29.

It's your holy book you're ignoring to justify your hatred and fear. I'm just pointing it out.

Oops, sorry. It's Acts 15:27-29.

My bad.
 

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Acts 22:27 - 29 seems to reference Paul's invoking his right as a Roman citizen to have his case heard by the Emporer, rather than be condemned by the Sanhedrin (Jewish High Court). I don't even see how it applies.
 

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I still don't get it. Read Paul's epistles... especially Romans 1. Paul contended that Jewish dietary, civil and ceremonial laws, including circumcision did not apply to Gentiles. These were devotional obligations of Jews. He definitely did not extend this to Moral Laws, including sexual immorality.. which applies to all... to this day.
 
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More psychobabble from the village clown. I never went to residential school. I went to the catholic school. That is about as much of your nonsense as could make out from the above diatribe. What I do know is that Jesus was down on those who make a public spectacle of their so called faith. So, I think JC is probably pissed at you.
Sorry my bad, totally messed up in associating the RCC with the residential schools. I'm sure they had quite a wonderful program for becuse you weren't from a reservation. What with your obvious appreciation that God sent them to help you and all that.

I still don't get it. Read Paul's epistles... especially Romans 1. Paul contended that Jewish dietary, civil and ceremonial laws, including circumcision did not apply to Gentiles. These were devotional obligations of Jews. He definitely did not extend this to Moral Laws, including sexual immorality.. which applies to all... to this day.
Peter says the same things in Acts:10 and the removal of the dietary restrictions was symbolic of the 600+ laws being removed. It was the last act that was specifically for Jews as the teachings that came in that same chapter were for gentiles so it would be to the people that would be affected by events when that prophecy came to pass.

Even the OT only Jews seem to have dropped the death sentences for breaking the laws yet they still demands kosher food as defined in the OT. One or the other please if you are going to claim to be in the book somewhere.

Acts 22:27 - 29 seems to reference Paul's invoking his right as a Roman citizen to have his case heard by the Emporer, rather than be condemned by the Sanhedrin (Jewish High Court). I don't even see how it applies.
That looked more like he couldn't be punished before being found guilty by any authority under the authority of Rome.

The Church has a different arbitration method and exile from the Church is the harshest punishment there is so torture would also be a no-no.
 

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I still don't get it. Read Paul's epistles... especially Romans 1. Paul contended that Jewish dietary, civil and ceremonial laws, including circumcision did not apply to Gentiles. These were devotional obligations of Jews. He definitely did not extend this to Moral Laws, including sexual immorality.. which applies to all... to this day.
Acts 15:27-29 says that the Council tasks Gentiles only to avoid the meat of strangled animals, fornication, and idolatry. Those are the only provisions of Mosaic law that are binding on Gentiles.
 

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Jas:2:8-11:
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself,
ye do well:
But if ye have respect to persons,
ye commit sin,
and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law,
and yet offend in one point,
he is guilty of all.
For he that said,
Do not commit adultery,
said also,
Do not kill.
Now if thou commit no adultery,
yet if thou kill,
thou art become a transgressor of the law.

M't:5:28:
But I say unto you,
That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Obedience to the law won't get yo a spot in the first gathering.

Jas:2:14-17:
What doth it profit,
my brethren,
though a man say he hath faith,
and have not works?
can faith save him?
If a brother or sister be naked,
and destitute of daily food,
And one of you say unto them,
Depart in peace,
be ye warmed and filled;
notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body;
what doth it profit?
Even so faith,
if it hath not works,
is dead,
being alone.

How much for the book that debunks that book?
 

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Mosaic Law applies to the law of the the Torah.. the first 5 books of the Christian Bible. And it most definitely applies to all, starting with the 10 Commandments and progressing to strictures on conduct including sexuality. The only thing that applies only to Jews is observance of Talmudic civil, dietary, liturgical and devotional ritual.. which is something different.




The only "Laws" that Christ brought forward from the OT to the new covenant were the 10 commandments. He made that quite clear. The "Mosaic" laws and "Levitican" laws are laws made by man, NOT by God. God gave us the 10 commandments, men gave us the rest of the bullshyte.
 

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I believe it was Hillel the Elder who said , "that which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. that is the whole of the Torah. " Others taught this "golden rule" as well probably including Jesus.

according to this, I'm going straight to heaven
Maybe you're already there.:).