Here we go again...Canada should arrest Bush when he visits B.C.: Amnesty

Colpy

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Best comment.........George Jonas (no surprise)

It’s just as well. I abhor torture, but trust neither the motives nor the judgment of people who would make George W. Bush the first political leader in history to be prosecuted for it. Self-anointed do-gooders with delusions of moral superiority scare me no less than jackbooted thugs, and so do supranational institutions with unelected activists sitting in judgment on sovereign nations and their democratically mandated leaders.

George Jonas: The world according to Amnesty International | Full Comment | National Post
 

In Between Man

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What an excellent example of moral relativity.

That's not what moral relativity is. Moral relativity would suggest that jihadist torture techniques/beheading is justifiable because there's no such thing as an absolute standard of right and wrong. "It's right for them" as opposed to "It's wrong to cut off a civilian's or POW's head". Or that American "torture" is wrong because they're no better than cold-blooded, hate-filled jihadists who would kill even an innocent civilian for their cause.

America does NOT participate in torture.
 

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That's not what moral relativity is. Moral relativity would suggest that jihadist torture techniques/beheading is justifiable because there's no such thing as an absolute standard of right and wrong. "It's right for them" as opposed to "It's wrong to cut off a civilian's or POW's head". Or that American "torture" is wrong because they're no better than cold-blooded, hate-filled jihadists who would kill even an innocent civilian for their cause.

America does NOT participate in torture.
Watch your video again.
 

earth_as_one

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AI ought to be worrying much more about human rights in China and Syria for a start. Because they get into the news over USA politicians is a sign they are losing their way. They look like third world stooges.

China:
Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights

Syria:
Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights

That's not what moral relativity is. Moral relativity would suggest that jihadist torture techniques/beheading is justifiable because there's no such thing as an absolute standard of right and wrong. "It's right for them" as opposed to "It's wrong to cut off a civilian's or POW's head". Or that American "torture" is wrong because they're no better than cold-blooded, hate-filled jihadists who would kill even an innocent civilian for their cause.

America does NOT participate in torture.

...Amnesty International and other organizations wrote to the US Secretary of Defense in June raising concerns about allegations that detainees held in a screening facility at Bagram air base had been subjected to torture or other ill-treatment, including prolonged isolation, sleep deprivation and exposure to extreme temperatures...

...There continued to be an absence of accountability and remedy for the human rights violations, including the crimes under international law of torture and enforced disappearance, committed as part of the USA’s programme of secret detention and rendition (transfer of individuals from the custody of one state to another by means that bypass judicial and administrative due process) operated under the administration of President George W. Bush.
In his memoirs, published in November, and in a pre-publication interview, former President Bush admitted that he had personally authorized “enhanced interrogation techniques” for use by the CIA against detainees held in secret custody. One of the techniques he said he authorized was “water-boarding”, a form of torture in which the process of drowning a detainee is begun.
On 9 November, the US Department of Justice announced, without further explanation, that no one would face criminal charges in relation to the destruction in 2005 by the CIA of videotapes made of the interrogations of two detainees – Abu Zubaydah and ‘Abd al-Nashiri – held in secret custody in 2002. The 92 tapes depicted evidence of the use of “enhanced interrogation techniques”, including “water-boarding”, against the two detainees.
The “preliminary review” ordered in August 2009 by Attorney General Eric Holder into some aspects of some interrogations of some detainees held in the secret detention programme was apparently continuing at the end of the year.
On 8 September, the full US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit upheld the US administration’s invocation of the “state secrets privilege” and agreed to dismiss a lawsuit brought by five men – UK resident Binyam Mohamed; Italian national Abou Elkassim Britel; Egyptian national Ahmed Agiza; Yemeni national Muhammad Faraj Ahmed Bashmilah; and Bisher al-Rawi, an Iraqi national and UK permanent resident – who claimed they were subjected to enforced disappearance, and torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment at the hands of US personnel and agents of other governments as part of the USA’s secret detention and rendition programme operated by the CIA. The six judges in the majority pointed to the possibility that “non-judicial relief” might be open to the plaintiffs, and that action to this end could be taken by the executive or Congress.
There were calls for the USA to investigate how much US officials knew about the torture or other ill-treatment of detainees held by the Iraqi security forces after new evidence emerged in files released by the Wikileaks organization in October. (See Afghanistan, Iraq and Yemen entries.)...


Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights

I notice that the US no longer criticizes other countries for disappearances and torture, like they used to just 10 years ago.
 

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AI seems to get too little publicity for its work in China and Syria and get too much calling for Bush and Cheney to be charged. Among Joe Public, many of whom dislike Bush and Cheney, they see this position as unrealistic because its never going to happen. People want AI to get real.

I punched in Amanda Zhao into AI's search engine and found nothing. Zhao was killed by Ang Li in 2003, who fled to China soon after. China says they will try him instead. Canada sent the murder evidence to China. The Globe and Mail article below states this is an example of China's new superpower status that enables it to bully little Canada into submission. Li is part of a well connected family in China so nothing will likely happen to him. AI is wasting its capital because justice will likely not be done. Why can't AI get real here?

British Columbia - The Globe and Mail

Losing their way? They lost there way years ago dude.

Beats being a first world bigot.

Landfill. Stupidity is worse than anything.