Harper Does Good in Haiti

[Mowich]

They only want the southern US, notice none have crossed into the Territories yet.

And this is from the latest census you took???

Stephen Harper is said to be looking for input from Canadians about the upcoming budget. I would suggest that at least one item address building better port facilities in the North. Another suggestion could be the providing funds for year round greenhouses in the North - the technology is available.

Then Haitians could help with building the port and growing vegetables.

 

[petros]

They only want the southern US, notice none have crossed into the Territories yet.

Really? Are you sure about that? None picking turnips in Ded Reer yet?

 

[countryboy]

Good grief, MHz, when was the last time you heard about mass killings by polar bears? As far as frostbite, have you ever heard of gore tex?

What we will ask of them has yet to be decided. However, I see the need for doctors, nurses, engineers, miners, coast guard personnel, etc. etc. just to name a few possibilites.

I think some of them have experience as farmers. How about borrowing a concept from the homesteader days by setting up a plan to buy back some farm land and set up deals for them to become family farmers. The benefits would be many - revitalization of small towns that are dying off, reduced pressure on the infrastructures of big cities, business opportunities in the small towns (to service the bigger number of smaller farmers), build on their (assumed) farming experience, better quality fresh food available locally (with lower carbon footprints), solar-powered year-round greenhouse operations in 'tough' climates (Prairies, eg), less pollution from the crap-bloated factory animal farms, and probably a few more...

 

[Mowich]

It was about if 'we' (actual decision makers in Canada) have the 'right stuff' to tell Haiti how they should handle their recovery. I have no problem with the Gov throwing lots of 'grants' their way (taxpayer funded with no repayment or any strings attached). How many seriously injured do we currently have in our hospitals?

The topic is about Harper and Haiti. It is not about us 'telling' anybody how their recovery should be handled. I am merely making suggestions as to how some Haitians might be able to emigrate to our country, should they want too.

Canada already has a mission in Haiti. We have been helping them out for years now - mostly to no avail. The idea that we give unconditional loans to the country has already been done by other nations, also to no avail.

Stephen Harper, Peter McKay, and Lawrence Cannon are all handling our (Canadian) end of the releif effort very well.

 

[Mowich]

I think some of them have experience as farmers. How about borrowing a concept from the homesteader days by setting up a plan to buy back some farm land and set up deals for them to become family farmers. The benefits would be many - revitalization of small towns that are dying off, reduced pressure on the infrastructures of big cities, business opportunities in the small towns (to service the bigger number of smaller farmers), build on their (assumed) farming experience, better quality fresh food available locally (with lower carbon footprints), solar-powered year-round greenhouse operations in 'tough' climates (Prairies, eg), less pollution from the crap-bloated factory animal farms, and probably a few more...

I like this idea, CB. :smile:

 

[countryboy]

I like this idea, CB. :smile:

That makes 2 of us in total. It would take some real leadership and a hell of a big plan to pull it off, and it isn't short term, but neither are the problems that motivated the suggestion - our farming and food situation in total, combined with the "what will happen to Haiti in the long term?" situation.

 

[MHz]

Little dab of crazy-glue and the winter home (Igloo) could survive the 3 weeks of summer. Plus they would have to move onto the rocks in the summer to avoid becoming part of the bog. Mosquitoes would literally bleed you dry. Seriously if pallets of aid money can go missing in other parts of the world why not Haiti? Once the Police (present day machete yielding gangs) have everybody standing at attention and in line aid can begin to be handed out.
The far north will have to wait for a year round ice free Arctic before it will allow large amounts of people to live there.

 

[JLM]

Good grief, MHz, when was the last time you heard about mass killings by polar bears? As far as frostbite, have you ever heard of gore tex?

What we will ask of them has yet to be decided. However, I see the need for doctors, nurses, engineers, miners, coast guard personnel, etc. etc. just to name a few possibilites.

Most of those jobs come under the heading of "the butcher the baker the candlestick maker"and are really only secondary jobs and to exist have to be supported by resource based jobs. There's not much use in having doctors, nurses and engineers hanging out in Inuvik. But if Toyota could be convinced open a factory there, then that would change things.

 

[Kakato]

Good question. BEfore we send any of them up there, there has to be jobs for them. That will not be easy to do. I know one problem we have in Canada and that is financing necessary new infrastructure. And that infrastructure is needed mainly because Canada's population in heavily concentrated in half a dozen fairly small areas. Could some manufacturing be relocated to places like Yellowknife? The MacKenzie River would be a great transportation corridor at fairly low maintenance costs. I think the possibilities are endless, but there is one great problem- most people don't want to move.

Thats just it,there is very few jobs in the territories and they have a hard time getting food and fuel to the few people that are up there.

Last thing they need is more people up there that our tax dollars would be susidizing.

 

[petros]

Little dab of crazy-glue and the winter home (Igloo) could survive the 3 weeks of summer. Plus they would have to move onto the rocks in the summer to avoid becoming part of the bog. Mosquitoes would literally bleed you dry. Seriously if pallets of aid money can go missing in other parts of the world why not Haiti? Once the Police (present day machete yielding gangs) have everybody standing at attention and in line aid can begin to be handed out.
The far north will have to wait for a year round ice free Arctic before it will allow large amounts of people to live there.

Really? What the hell are those people doing in the Scandinavian, Russian or Siberian Arctic all winter? Playing chess and getting drunk or working in forestry, mines and oil/gas fields?

 

[petros]

Thats just it,there is very few jobs in the territories and they have a hard time getting food and fuel to the few people that are up there.

Last thing they need is more people up there that our tax dollars would be susidizing.

If they can run a train between Vladivostock and Moscow year round moving heavy freight we can build a road base and good enough to run rail to the Arctic sea as well.

To be honest I don't think we have a choice but build proper infrastructure up north.

Yellowknife is on the wrong freakin side of the lake to be any good as a staging point much longer for what we need developed.

 

[Mowich]

JLM;1206495]Most of those jobs come under the heading of "the butcher the baker the candlestick maker"and are really only secondary jobs and to exist have to be supported by resource based jobs. There's not much use in having doctors, nurses and engineers hanging out in Inuvik.

But if Toyota could be convinced open a factory there, then that would change things.

There you go, JLM, some real forward thinking. I realize that much has to be done to accomodate an influx of new people but isn't that why we are talking about it here? Any more ideas on how to get the North up and moving so we can offer Haitians a new home? Maybe start a letter writing campaign to Stephen Harper? :smile:

 

[AnnaG]

And Harpy can build the railroad with Haitian labor? What happened to the topic? Not that there isn't an abundance of topics on Haiti anyway. lol

 

[petros]

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But if Toyota could be convinced open a factory there, then that would change things.

CAT, Hitachi or Hyundai are the players we need up there. The iron, nickle, chromium and aluminum for steel are all there sitting in the ground waiting.

 

[Mowich]

Thats just it,there is very few jobs in the territories and they have a hard time getting food and fuel to the few people that are up there..

Last thing they need is more people up there that our tax dollars would be susidizing

Trouble is our tax dollars are already subsidizing the Haitians, Kakato.

 

[petros]

Let me put it this way. The Canadian north has enough raw materials for about 30 industrial revolutions.

 

[Mowich]

If they can run a train between Vladivostock and Moscow year round moving heavy freight we can build a road base and good enough to run rail to the Arctic sea as well.

To be honest I don't think we have a choice but build proper infrastructure up north.

Yellowknife is on the wrong freakin side of the lake to be any good as a staging point much longer for what we need developed.

Right on, Petros. I do agree with you.

Haitian people could help us build new infrastructure and Stephen Harper's government could expedite their immigration visas in order to do so.

 

[MHz]

Playing chess and getting drunk

It would be much cheaper to let (pick up the tab)them do that right where they are.

 

[MHz]

CAT, Hitachi or Hyundai are the players we need up there. The iron, nickle, chromium and aluminum for steel are all there sitting in the ground waiting.

You forgot fresh water (sea ice)

 

[JLM]

If they can run a train between Vladivostock and Moscow year round moving heavy freight we can build a road base and good enough to run rail to the Arctic sea as well.

To be honest I don't think we have a choice but build proper infrastructure up north.

Yellowknife is on the wrong freakin side of the lake to be any good as a staging point much longer for what we need developed.

Yeah, you're right, I said Yellowknife when I should have said Hay River or even High Level.