Apparently to Cliffy "facts" are anything that he can discover people agree upon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei showed that the entire establishment of science was against Galileo Galilei and was interpreting the bible not as an object of religion and a treatment of faith but of scientific fact.
He was ordered to life in prison if he did not recant and according to popular legend, after recanting his theory that the Earth moved around the Sun, Galileo allegedly muttered the rebellious phrase And yet it moves.
Cliffy is ALL for a consensus being the truth.
It is the perfect demonstration that he chose the proper picture for his tag.
I admire the way you don't let your pointless philosophizing be derailed by actually doing something.
I used to do something. And it had NO effect. If I cleaned 3 miles of road of the litter it would look the same 2 days later. If I pulled fallen trees and stones off of mountain roads the cars would drive faster and threaten me on my bicycle even more. I believe now in letting people live in their own trash-filled world. I do not believe that the taxpayer should be forced to pay so that it is more comfortable to pigs.