Hamas attacks Israel

Ron in Regina

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Why is your timeline missing this?
Because I do this on my breaks between other things, and I’d be busy for the last hour or more again, and earlier this afternoon, I was breaking into a car in Wascana Park (long story), and I’ve got a little window while I’m taking another break and then I’m gonna go do something else. I had started with Israel actually existing as the excuse for the current events.
 

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Because I do this on my breaks between other things, and I’d be busy for the last hour or more again, and earlier this afternoon, I was breaking into a car in Wascana Park (long story), and I’ve got a little window while I’m taking another break and then I’m gonna go do something else. I had started with Israel actually existing as the excuse for the current events.
The civil war explains plenty. There was never to be an Israel.
 

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So what happened in 1947 that went terribly wrong for the UN plan to fall apart?
So what happened in 1937 that went terribly wrong for the Peel Commissions final report to fall apart? Or can this only start with your point starting in 1947?
1753661920812.jpegOnce the chunk of territory that was earlier supposed to be a part of the Palestine/Israel deal got carved up to become what’s now Jordan, what was left still needed to be divided up…
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Or do you only want to start in 1947/1948? Can the 30’s & first half of the 40’s be mentioned or is that timeframe irrelevant?
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IN 1929, JEWISH-ARAB CONFLICT IN PALESTINE PRODUCED MANY DEATHS ON BOTH SIDES, DESPITE EFFORTS OF THE OCCUPYING BRITISH ARMY TO KEEP PEACE.
Ok, that door is open then I guess, so is the Belfour Declaration in play or is that 12 years too soon for this discussion?
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Is this below relevant or too early to count?
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Anyway, going back to:
So what happened in 1947 that went terribly wrong for the UN plan to fall apart?
The Arab Higher Committee, the Arab League and other Arab leaders and governments rejected the Plan, as aside from Arabs forming a two-thirds majority, they owned most of the territory. They also indicated an unwillingness to accept any form of territorial division, arguing that it violated the principles of national self-determination in the UN Charter that granted people the right to decide their own destiny. They announced their intention to take all necessary measures to prevent the implementation of the resolution. The plan was not implemented and a civil war quickly broke out in Palestine. Ta-Da!!
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The civil war explains plenty. There was never to be an Israel.
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I’m still back at Page trying to catch up between things as time permits. Anyway, big Whoopsies on the part of the 20 member Arab Liberation Army and…that’s the first Nakba (catastrophe) meaning they were unsuccessful in their mission to flush all the Jews from Israel (or what would become Israel), so instead they flushed them out of much of the rest of the Middle East to the tune of displacing about 900,000 of them, or something along those lines. Now those dirty Jews really don’t have anywhere else to go now (except New York, but that’s a different story).

There could’ve been a two state solution in 1937 but that wasn’t good enough at the time. There could’ve being a two state solution (again) in 1947, but again that wasn’t good enough at the time. Now Israel is a thing that exists as of their declaration of independence above in 1948…& all the neighbours dog pile on them…& yet they win, because they have no choice except to win or disappear.
 

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Then…under the United Nations in 1947, it (that area that in 1950 Jordan would name the West Bank) was designated as part of a proposed Arab stateby the Partition Plan for Palestine. UN Resolution 181 recommended the splitting of the British Mandate into a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an internationally administered enclave of Jerusalem.

A broader region of the modern-day West Bank was assigned to the Arab state. The resolution designated the territory described as "the hill country of Samariaand Judea", and that wasn’t even biblical times somehow, the area now known as the "West Bank", as part of the proposed Arab state. Following the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, this area was captured by Transjordan.😳.

During the 1948 war, Israel occupied parts of what was designated in the UN partition plan as "Palestine". The 1949 Armistice Agreements defined the interim boundarybetween Israel and Jordan, essentially reflecting the battlefield after that war.

Following the December 1948 Jericho Conference, Transjordan annexed the area west of the Jordan River in 1950, naming it "West Bank" or "Cisjordan", and designated the area east of the river as "East Bank" or "Transjordan".

Jordan, as it was now known, ruled over the West Bank from 1948 until 1967, and queerly, never offered it up to become a Palestinian state.

(Jordan's annexation was never formally recognized by the international community, with the exception of the United Kingdom and Iraq, but Shhhhh….🤫)

In June 1967, the West Bank and East Jerusalem were captured by Israel from…Jordan…& not Palestine as a result of the Six-Day War. With the exception of East Jerusalem and the former Israeli–Jordanian no man's land, the West Bank was not annexed by Israel. It remained under Israeli military control until 1982.
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The 1974 Arab League summit resolution at Rabatdesignated the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) as the "sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people". Founded in 1964, it initially sought to establish an Arab state over the entire territory of the former Mandatory Palestine, advocating the elimination of Israel.

The PLO began their militancy campaign from its inception with an attack on Israel's National Water Carrier in January 1965. The group used guerrillatactics to attack Israel from their bases in Jordan(which then included the West Bank as a part of Jordan), Lebanon, Egypt (Gaza Strip), and Syria.

Jordan did not officially relinquish its claim to the area until 1988, when it realized it wasn’t getting that area back, it severed all administrative and legal ties with the West Bank and eventually stripped West Bank Palestinians of Jordanian citizenship.

Mediated talks between the Israeli government and the PLO in 1993 (the Oslo I Accord) resulted in the PLO recognizing Israel's legitimacy and accepting United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which mandated Israel's withdrawal from occupied territories, while Israel recognized the PLO as a legitimate authority representing the Palestinian people.

Despite the Israel–PLO Letters of Mutual Recognition(1993), in which PLO leader Yasser Arafat renounced violence against Israel, the PLO engaged in militant activities during the Second Intifada (2000–2005). Oh well…on 29 October 2018, the PLO Central Councilsuspended the Palestinian recognition of Israel.

As the officially recognized government of the de jureState of Palestine, it has enjoyed United Nations observer status since 1974. Prior to the Oslo Accords, the PLO's militant wings engaged in acts of violenceagainst both the Israeli military and civilians, within Israel and abroad.

(The United States designated it as a terrorist group in 1987, though a presidential waiver has permitted American–PLO contact since 1988)

Phew…& that sorta gets things to the 1980’s or 90’s, more or less.
 

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Then…under the United Nations in 1947, it (that area that in 1950 Jordan would name the West Bank) was designated as part of a proposed Arab stateby the Partition Plan for Palestine. UN Resolution 181 recommended the splitting of the British Mandate into a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an internationally administered enclave of Jerusalem.

A broader region of the modern-day West Bank was assigned to the Arab state. The resolution designated the territory described as "the hill country of Samariaand Judea", and that wasn’t even biblical times somehow, the area now known as the "West Bank", as part of the proposed Arab state. Following the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, this area was captured by Transjordan.😳.

During the 1948 war, Israel occupied parts of what was designated in the UN partition plan as "Palestine". The 1949 Armistice Agreements defined the interim boundarybetween Israel and Jordan, essentially reflecting the battlefield after that war.

Following the December 1948 Jericho Conference, Transjordan annexed the area west of the Jordan River in 1950, naming it "West Bank" or "Cisjordan", and designated the area east of the river as "East Bank" or "Transjordan".

Jordan, as it was now known, ruled over the West Bank from 1948 until 1967, and queerly, never offered it up to become a Palestinian state.

(Jordan's annexation was never formally recognized by the international community, with the exception of the United Kingdom and Iraq, but Shhhhh….🤫)

In June 1967, the West Bank and East Jerusalem were captured by Israel from…Jordan…& not Palestine as a result of the Six-Day War. With the exception of East Jerusalem and the former Israeli–Jordanian no man's land, the West Bank was not annexed by Israel. It remained under Israeli military control until 1982.
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The 1974 Arab League summit resolution at Rabatdesignated the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) as the "sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people". Founded in 1964, it initially sought to establish an Arab state over the entire territory of the former Mandatory Palestine, advocating the elimination of Israel.

The PLO began their militancy campaign from its inception with an attack on Israel's National Water Carrier in January 1965. The group used guerrillatactics to attack Israel from their bases in Jordan(which then included the West Bank as a part of Jordan), Lebanon, Egypt (Gaza Strip), and Syria.

Jordan did not officially relinquish its claim to the area until 1988, when it realized it wasn’t getting that area back, it severed all administrative and legal ties with the West Bank and eventually stripped West Bank Palestinians of Jordanian citizenship.

Mediated talks between the Israeli government and the PLO in 1993 (the Oslo I Accord) resulted in the PLO recognizing Israel's legitimacy and accepting United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which mandated Israel's withdrawal from occupied territories, while Israel recognized the PLO as a legitimate authority representing the Palestinian people.

Despite the Israel–PLO Letters of Mutual Recognition(1993), in which PLO leader Yasser Arafat renounced violence against Israel, the PLO engaged in militant activities during the Second Intifada (2000–2005). Oh well…on 29 October 2018, the PLO Central Councilsuspended the Palestinian recognition of Israel.

As the officially recognized government of the de jureState of Palestine, it has enjoyed United Nations observer status since 1974. Prior to the Oslo Accords, the PLO's militant wings engaged in acts of violenceagainst both the Israeli military and civilians, within Israel and abroad.

(The United States designated it as a terrorist group in 1987, though a presidential waiver has permitted American–PLO contact since 1988)

Phew…& that sorta gets things to the 1980’s or 90’s, more or less.
That's great. But you forgot the part where they had a deal but Jewish Supremacist terrorists assassinated the Prime Minister of Israel who was ready to sign.

I'll ask again, how does an ethnic Ukrainian Jew born in Argentina have a right to Palestinian farmland?
 

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I'll ask again, how does an ethnic Ukrainian Jew born in Argetina have a right to Palestinian farmland?
…Just like I probably couldn’t explain why Yasser Arafat (born and grew up in & went to university in Egypt, then resided in Jordan and Lebanon and Tunisia, before residing in Gaza/Palestine) became the head of the PLO demanding Arab nationalism while denying Israeli nationalism. Can you do that?
That's great. But you forgot the part where they had a deal but Jewish Supremacist terrorists assassinated the Prime Minister of Israel who was ready to sign.
I made it as far as the 80’s/90’s in two posts…& covered the better part of a century with them. Why don’t we let someone else have a try at balancing this one. I’ve gotta work in the morning.
 

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I'm deeply reluctant to shed one drop of UN Peacekeeper blood for anybody's Sky Daddy fairytale.

On principle I agree and I think more for Peacekeepers for those who are innocent, and moreso the history of the area than the idiots who follow the various versions of the Big Sky Daddy.

Thanks for the thoughtful answer. I disagree, don't think it'll work, but at least you've put some thought into it.

Well, even I think it won't *work*. But... really there is no other solution other than letting them all annihilate each other. Which we could do I suppose, except that drags the rest of the world into the BS anyway.
 

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I made it as far as the 80’s/90’s in two posts…& covered the better part of a century with them. Why don’t we let someone else have a try at balancing this one. I’ve gotta work in the morning.
Balance? 1880s/1890s? Even back then the goal was purge the filthy non-human Goyim from Palestine, Transjordan, parts of Lebanon, Syria and Egypt .They won't stop until they're stopped. It's a cult.

If Hamas killed all the Jews like you say, what's their plan to deal with the "Secular" self identify Jews who aren't Jews and all the brainwashed Baptists and Pentecostal born yesterday types who prop up Israel to speed up the "Rapture". Will they just fade away with their dreams of the apocalypse crushed by Islam who is waiting for the same end to the God story?
 

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Balance? 1880s/1890s? Even back then the goal was purge the filthy non-human Goyim from Palestine, Transjordan, parts of Lebanon, Syria and Egypt .They won't stop until they're stopped. It's a cult.

If Hamas killed all the Jews like you say, what's their plan to deal with the "Secular" self identify Jews who aren't Jews and all the brainwashed Baptists and Pentecostal born yesterday types who prop up Israel to speed up the "Rapture". Will they just fade away with their dreams of the apocalypse crushed by Islam who is waiting for the same end to the God story?
Nope. Same as for the JOOZ! Convert or die.

Can't fault 'em for lack of ambitious plans.
 

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Nope. Same as for the JOOZ! Convert or die.

Can't fault 'em for lack of ambitious plans.
Convert or die? Is that why the largest population of JOOZ outside of Israel in the Middle East is in Iran?

Why haven't they packed up and moved to the Zionist paradise or converted by now?

Please explain.

Why did the JOOZ go to Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin to get help with their terrorism against the British? They even offered to join and fight with the fucking Nazi SS.

Eventually Stalin did support the JOOZ terrorists in 1947.
 
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Convert or die? Is that why the largest population of JOOZ outside of Israel in the Middle East is in Iran?

Why haven't they packed up and moved to the Zionist paradise or converted by now?

Please explain.

Why did the JOOZ go to Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin to get help with their terrorism against the British? They even offered to join and fight with the fucking Nazi SS.

Eventually Stalin did support the JOOZ terrorists in 1947.
Best of my knowledge, Ham-ass isn't in Iran.
 

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Go Go Goyim!

Canada pledges $30M in Gaza aid, $10M for Palestinian Authority work toward statehood
Foreign affairs minister announces funding at 2-state solution UN conference



While Canada is not joining France in recognizing a Palestinian state, it is funding the Palestinian Authority's preparations to lead a globally recognized country that includes Gaza and the West Bank.

Ottawa is also adding $30 million to its humanitarian funding for desperate Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

"The Palestinian question is at the heart of any hope for long-term stability in the Middle East," Foreign Affairs Minister Anita Anand told a major United Nations conference on Monday in New York.

"A workable Palestinian state needs legitimate, democratic governance that serves all Palestinian people."

The conference was convened by France and Saudi Arabia to find ways to preserve the two-state solution. Canada has for decades been among those calling for the eventual creation of a Palestinian country that would exist in peace alongside Israel.

Canada other countries have increasingly expressed the concern that the Israeli government is trying to make a Palestinian state impossible. Some Israeli ministers have called for the population of Gaza to be concentrated in a small area or resettled to other countries.

Anand highlighted concerns about Palestinian governance in her remarks to dozens of her counterparts gathered in New York.

The Palestinian Authority currently controls parts of the West Bank through the Fatah party. Hamas governs in Gaza. Neither territory has held an election since 2006, and polls by the anti-corruption Aman Coalition think-tank have found widespread concerns about corruption in both governments.
Anand said Hamas, listed as a terrorist entity by Canada, can't have a role in governing a Palestinian state. And she said the Palestinian Authority must undergo "comprehensive reforms necessary to govern Gaza and the West Bank."

She announced Canada will spend $10 million this year "to accelerate reform and capacity-building for the Palestinian Authority."

She also announced aid funding for Palestinians in Gaza. "For this critical aid to reach those in need, humanitarian partners must be granted safe and unhindered access to civilians in Gaza," Anand said.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday that only a "minimal" amount of aid is being allowed into the territory, and rejected the assertion of multiple international organizations that starvation is happening in Gaza.
WATCH | Israel resumes Gaza aid drops:


Israel resumes Gaza aid drops after international criticism over hunger crisis

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Israel has resumed airdrops of aid into Gaza after it faced waves of international criticism over its role in Gaza’s hunger crisis. The Israeli military also said it would begin a ‘tactical pause’ in three populated areas of Gaza for 10 hours a day to allow more humanitarian aid to be delivered.
Earlier in the day, Anand said the decades-long conflict is being driven by the duelling narratives through which Israelis and Palestinians perceive the conflict, and that peace requires a shared reality.
She also called for Hamas to release its hostages and for Israel to stop "relentless settlement expansion" in the West Bank.

"Peace is not only about borders and agreements. It is also about shared stories and understanding that humanize all sides and foster trust," Anand said.
Ottawa is co-leading an initiative with Qatar and Mexico aimed at finding ways to build that momentum.
"This moment demands political courage and resolve, and we must stand together and choose a different path, one that leads toward a sustainable and a just solution," Anand said.
The Trump administration criticized the conference. U.S. State Department spokeswoman Tammy Bruce called it "an unproductive and ill-timed" event that amounts to a "publicity stunt" that could compromise talks for a ceasefire in Gaza.
The U.S. argued the conference will prolong the war and embolden Hamas, calling it "a slap in the face to the victims of Oct. 7."
U.S. President Donald Trump pushed Netanyahu on Monday to allow more aid into Gaza.

Earlier Monday, Prime Minister Mark Carney said Ottawa will work with its peers on recognizing a future Palestinian state "that does not include Hamas in any role."
At a news conference in Prince Edward Island, he accused Israel and its settlers of a "lack of respect" for "the territorial integrity of Palestine, in the West Bank."


Carney asked if Canada will follow France and recognize Palestinian statehood

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When asked by a CBC News reporter if Canada will recognize Palestinian statehood, Prime Minister Mark Carney said Canada will continue to support a two-state solution with ‘a free and viable Palestine living in peace and side-by-side in peace and security with Israel.’

Carney referred to the area as Palestine instead of the "Palestinian territories," the term that Canadian government officials almost always use.

He said Canadians "deplore the scale of the humanitarian crisis in Gaza" and also "condemned what has caused this situation. It starts with Hamas and the deplorable terrorist attacks of Oct. 7."

The Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs welcomed Carney's rejection of a role for Hamas in governing a Palestinian state.
"The path forward begins with sustained pressure on Hamas to release all Israeli hostages and ensure that no actions embolden Hamas to continue its campaign of violence," wrote CEO Noah Shack.

He added that Canada should "work with international partners to disarm Hamas and ultimately remove them from Gaza and the West Bank."

The Trudeau government changed Canada's policy on Palestinian statehood last November, saying that Ottawa could offer recognition before peace talks conclude instead of first requiring a successful peace deal with Israel.

Carney said in June that there must be "a Zionist, if you will, Palestinian state that recognizes the right of Israel to exist."
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The more you know, the more you know.

Historically, Israel and Russia share cordial relations. Recently, Russia's improvement of relations with Israel coincided with Israel's efforts to build relations with the Gulf states under Abraham Accords. Israel's relations with Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates came at an opposition towards both Iranian and Turkish influence in the region. Russia is involved in proxy wars with Turkey in Caucasus, North Africa and the Middle East. In addition, Russia allows Israel to do airstrikes against pro-Iranian groups in Syria.

Israel has largely sided with Russia against Turkey in recent years, notably by how Russia and Israel support Khalifa Haftar against Turkey-backed Government of National Accord, Israel's silent support for Russian intervention in Syria in opposition to Iran and Turkey, although Israel objects Russia's relations with Turkey while Israel maintains relations with Azerbaijan, a strong Turkish ally, to go against Iran.[196][197][198][199] In 2018, Israel had also suggested, alongside Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, that U.S. President Donald Trump should improve relations with Russia and rethink sanctions relating to the Russo-Ukrainian War.[200] Although Putin continues to have positive relations with Erdogan.[201] Both Turkey and Israel were involved in rival mediation efforts between Ukraine and Russia in early 2022, but these were not coordinated.[202]

When normalization agreement was signed by Serbia and Kosovo in 2020, Russia and Israel openly supported the deal which would allow Serbia to move embassy to Jerusalem while Kosovo would establish relations with Israel.[203][204] In response, In August 2020, following the Abraham Accords which Israel normalised relations with the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, Russia did not endorse the deal but quietly approved the efforts by Israel to normalize the relations.[205][206] Iran does not recognize Kosovo as a sovereign state, and both Iran and Turkey opposed both moves.[207]

However, Russia continues to have strong economic and political relations with both Iran and Turkey, and Russia continues to be skeptical about Israel's special relations with the United States.[208][209][210][211] Russia supports two-state solution for Israeli–Palestinian conflict and has relations with several Palestinian political parties.[212][213] Russia does not consider Hamas as a terrorist organization and continues to diplomatically negotiate with them.[214][215] Iran, Russia, and Turkey all voted in favor of United Nations General Assembly resolution ES-10/L.22 to declare the status of Jerusalem as Israel's capital as "null and void."

China's growing influence in the region has also complicated Israeli and Russian cooperation. Chinese backed deal to restore relations between Iran and Saudi Arabia was welcomed in the region and in Russia, while less so in Israeli and Western circles.[216] Hamas proposed to see Egypt, Qatar, Russia, and Turkey as the guarantors of security for the Gaza Strip but it was rejected by Israel, further showing deterioration of ties between Israel and Russia.[217]
 
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