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While not technically binding on the Trudeau government, it effectively means Canada has chosen sides in the conflict and it is not on the side of Israel or Canada’s Jews experiencing the worst outbreak of anti-Semitism since the 1930s.

The chaotic Monday night vote was a reckless display of creating foreign policy on the fly — in which the NDP, BQ and most Liberals voted in favour and the Conservatives against.

It says Israel must guarantee humanitarian access to Gaza, with no requirement of Hamas to stop stealing humanitarian aid.

It says Canada will cease arms sales to Israel — which Foreign Affairs Minister Melanie Joly said Tuesday is Canada’s new policy.

It says Canada should sanction “extremist” Israeli settlers — with no definition of what that means.

It says Canada will support the work of the International Court of Justice as it investigates Israel for genocide — a body which has never found any other country on earth directly responsible for genocide — in a conflict where Hamas has repeatedly called for the genocide of Jews.

It says Canada will ensure funding for UNRWA — the United Nations Palestinian relief agency whose members have been accused of participating in or supporting Hamas’ terrorist attack on Israel on Oct. 7, and where many UNRWA “teachers” instruct Palestinian children to hate Israel and Jews.

It says Canada reaffirms its policies that Israeli settlements in the West Bank are a violation of international law and an obstacle to negotiating a two-state solution, while making no mention that Hamas rejects a two-state solution, and that the “occupied territories” were created only after the combined armies of the Arab world tried and failed to annihilate Israel in two wars.

Of the 10 measures it contains, seven make unilateral demands of Israel, or refute Israel’s positions on the conflict, while requiring little or nothing of Hamas.

The motion effectively equates Israel — Canada’s long-time, democratic ally — with Hamas, which Canada has classified as a terrorist entity since 2002.
 

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While not technically binding on the Trudeau government, it effectively means Canada has chosen sides in the conflict and it is not on the side of Israel or Canada’s Jews experiencing the worst outbreak of anti-Semitism since the 1930s.

The chaotic Monday night vote was a reckless display of creating foreign policy on the fly — in which the NDP, BQ and most Liberals voted in favour and the Conservatives against.

It says Israel must guarantee humanitarian access to Gaza, with no requirement of Hamas to stop stealing humanitarian aid.

It says Canada will cease arms sales to Israel — which Foreign Affairs Minister Melanie Joly said Tuesday is Canada’s new policy.

It says Canada should sanction “extremist” Israeli settlers — with no definition of what that means.

It says Canada will support the work of the International Court of Justice as it investigates Israel for genocide — a body which has never found any other country on earth directly responsible for genocide — in a conflict where Hamas has repeatedly called for the genocide of Jews.

It says Canada will ensure funding for UNRWA — the United Nations Palestinian relief agency whose members have been accused of participating in or supporting Hamas’ terrorist attack on Israel on Oct. 7, and where many UNRWA “teachers” instruct Palestinian children to hate Israel and Jews.

It says Canada reaffirms its policies that Israeli settlements in the West Bank are a violation of international law and an obstacle to negotiating a two-state solution, while making no mention that Hamas rejects a two-state solution, and that the “occupied territories” were created only after the combined armies of the Arab world tried and failed to annihilate Israel in two wars.

Of the 10 measures it contains, seven make unilateral demands of Israel, or refute Israel’s positions on the conflict, while requiring little or nothing of Hamas.

The motion effectively equates Israel — Canada’s long-time, democratic ally — with Hamas, which Canada has classified as a terrorist entity since 2002.
What are we getting from the Saudis in return? Shit like this is NEVER a one way street.

This stinks of appeasement. As Russian oil goes off market, who is benefitting the most? Saudis the US and Canada.

Canada has never produced more bbls per day and growing. TMX goes live in weeks. That frees up how many rail tankers to feed US heavy oil capable refineries? We have the ability to impact the price and we are in good in the ME hood. Check this out... http://www.csabc.org/
The Government of Canada has identified the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia as a priority market. The following areas of key opportunities have been identified by the Canadian government: Agriculture and processed food; chemicals; education; forestry and wood products; information and communications technologies; infrastructure; life sciences; and oil and gas.

Then there is gold....

It's all tied together, all the turmoil. A major shift in geopolitics and economic strategies is happening before our eyes.

PS...France just sent 2000 troops to Ukraine.
 
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What are we getting from the Saudis in return? Shit like this is NEVER a one way street.

This stinks of appeasement. As Russian oil goes off market, who is benefitting the most? Saudis the US and Canada.
Israel has never really bought much in the way of military supplies from Canada. In 2021, they bought just $26 million of military gear from Canadian firms, a far cry from the $1.7 billion Saudi Arabia spent. In the days after the Oct. 7 terror attacks by Israel, export permits jumped up to $28 million over several months before a pause was imposed on Jan. 8.
Canada has never produced more bbls per day and growing. TMX goes live in weeks. That frees up how many rail tankers to feed US heavy oil capable refineries? We have the ability to impact the price and we are in good in the ME hood. Check this out... http://www.csabc.org/
Since the start of 2022, the Canadian government proudly boasts that we have sent $4 billion in military assistance to Ukraine. This isn’t material that Ukraine has bought from Canada, this is what we have sent them:
Then there is gold....

It's all tied together, all the turmoil. A major shift in geopolitics and economic strategies is happening before our eyes.

PS...France just sent 2000 troops to Ukraine.
If Canada is going to stand with Ukraine, then these are the sorts of supplies we should be giving to them. Given Putin’s ambitions, it is far better for Canada, and other Western allies, to supply Ukraine to do battle with Putin than to take him on directly.

So why doesn’t the same apply to Israel who is battling the terrorist group Hamas, which is backed by Iran — a country aligned with Russia and China — and seeking regional dominance through destabilization?

With Israel, Canada isn’t just refusing to send military aid, we are actively blocking Canadian companies from selling to the Israeli government. Forget selling rifles, artillery shells or the other lethal weapons that Canada sends to Ukraine using taxpayer dollars, the Trudeau government is actively blocking the sale of anything that could be used by the Israeli military.

We are giving far more in aid to UNRWA, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, than Israel has ever purchased from Canadian suppliers. Many UNRWA employees took part in the Oct. 7 terrorist attacks, including the killing, raping and kidnapping.

Still, the Trudeau government has kept funding them while blocking sales of lethal and non-lethal material to Israel if there can be a military use.

The Trudeau government has confirmed it won’t allow any military sales to Israel, that includes non-lethal military sales like boots, trucks or supplies. Foreign Affairs has been blocking military sales since early January, but in the wake of Monday’s vote on an NDP motion, Minister Melanie Joly has confirmed all sales are off.
It is disturbing the lengths the Trudeau Liberals will go to in order to undermine a country we still call an ally and a friend. Let me assure you, no one in the government offices in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem are calling Canada a friend of Israel today. Instead, we are standing with one and the Liberals have abandoned the other due to concerns about votes at home in the GTA in tight swing vote ridings.
 
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Israel has never really bought much in the way of military supplies from Canada. In 2021, they bought just $26 million of military gear from Canadian firms, a far cry from the $1.7 billion Saudi Arabia spent. In the days after the Oct. 7 terror attacks by Israel, export permits jumped up to $28 million over several months before a pause was imposed on Jan. 8.

Since the start of 2022, the Canadian government proudly boasts that we have sent $4 billion in military assistance to Ukraine. This isn’t material that Ukraine has bought from Canada, this is what we have sent them:

If Canada is going to stand with Ukraine, then these are the sorts of supplies we should be giving to them. Given Putin’s ambitions, it is far better for Canada, and other Western allies, to supply Ukraine to do battle with Putin than to take him on directly.

So why doesn’t the same apply to Israel who is battling the terrorist group Hamas, which is backed by Iran — a country aligned with Russia and China — and seeking regional dominance through destabilization?

With Israel, Canada isn’t just refusing to send military aid, we are actively blocking Canadian companies from selling to the Israeli government. Forget selling rifles, artillery shells or the other lethal weapons that Canada sends to Ukraine using taxpayer dollars, the Trudeau government is actively blocking the sale of anything that could be used by the Israeli military.

We are giving far more in aid to UNRWA, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, than Israel has ever purchased from Canadian suppliers. Many UNRWA employees took part in the Oct. 7 terrorist attacks, including the killing, raping and kidnapping.

Still, the Trudeau government has kept funding them while blocking sales of lethal and non-lethal material to Israel if there can be a military use.

The Trudeau government has confirmed it won’t allow any military sales to Israel, that includes non-lethal military sales like boots, trucks or supplies. Foreign Affairs has been blocking military sales since early January, but in the wake of Monday’s vote on an NDP motion, Minister Melanie Joly has confirmed all sales are off.
It is disturbing the lengths the Trudeau Liberals will go to in order to undermine a country we still call an ally and a friend. Let me assure you, no one in the government offices in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem are calling Canada a friend of Israel today. Instead, we are standing with one and the Liberals have abandoned the other due to concerns about votes at home in the GTA in tight swing vote ridings.
Maybe, just maybe Israel has lost its status as a trusted ally.

Russian Jews have been very dominant in Israeli politics, due to large number of Russian Jews occupied in the official positions of Israeli Government.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
Russian Jews in Israel - Wikipedia

The over one million people who immigrated to Israel from the former Soviet Union in a wave from the beginning of the 1990s have changed Israel to its core — socially, politically, economically, and culturally. Within the first six years, they formed what became a large secular nationalist political camp that secures right-wing rule to this day. Experts both in Israel and Russia define the socio-political profile of the first generation of these immigrants as a prototype of “Homo Sovieticus”; its leading political representative, former foreign minister and defense minister Avigdor Lieberman, who heads what is still perceived as the only “Russian” sectarian party, is often seen as a “post-Soviet” leader, void of ideology, promoting an agenda of fear and incitement. Lieberman’s newly adopted anti-Orthodox agenda appeals to the younger Russian-speaking generation and empowers — at present — parliamentary and extra-parliamentary opposition to his former ally, longstanding Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

We are at war with Russia through NATO. It just hasn't been officially declared.
 
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While not technically binding on the Trudeau government, it effectively means Canada has chosen sides in the conflict and it is not on the side of Israel or Canada’s Jews experiencing the worst outbreak of anti-Semitism since the 1930s.

The chaotic Monday night vote was a reckless display of creating foreign policy on the fly — in which the NDP, BQ and most Liberals voted in favour and the Conservatives against.

It says Israel must guarantee humanitarian access to Gaza, with no requirement of Hamas to stop stealing humanitarian aid.

It says Canada will cease arms sales to Israel — which Foreign Affairs Minister Melanie Joly said Tuesday is Canada’s new policy.

It says Canada should sanction “extremist” Israeli settlers — with no definition of what that means.

It says Canada will support the work of the International Court of Justice as it investigates Israel for genocide — a body which has never found any other country on earth directly responsible for genocide — in a conflict where Hamas has repeatedly called for the genocide of Jews.

It says Canada will ensure funding for UNRWA — the United Nations Palestinian relief agency whose members have been accused of participating in or supporting Hamas’ terrorist attack on Israel on Oct. 7, and where many UNRWA “teachers” instruct Palestinian children to hate Israel and Jews.

It says Canada reaffirms its policies that Israeli settlements in the West Bank are a violation of international law and an obstacle to negotiating a two-state solution, while making no mention that Hamas rejects a two-state solution, and that the “occupied territories” were created only after the combined armies of the Arab world tried and failed to annihilate Israel in two wars.

Of the 10 measures it contains, seven make unilateral demands of Israel, or refute Israel’s positions on the conflict, while requiring little or nothing of Hamas.

The motion effectively equates Israel — Canada’s long-time, democratic ally — with Hamas, which Canada has classified as a terrorist entity since 2002.
Since it's a Canadian government's policy, it has no bearing on what Israel will do. Trudeau isn't actually respected world-wide so why would they listen to him? They're a sovereign nation & can make their own decisions. Other than the WEF does the Trudeau government listen to what others tell him what he & his government should be doing? Of course not because they're just laughing at what a joke he is & feel bad for the Canadians who didn't vote for him. ;)
 
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Since it's a Canadian government's policy, it has no bearing on what Israel will do. Trudeau isn't actually respected world-wide so why would they listen to him? They're a sovereign nation & can make their own decisions. Other than the WEF does the Trudeau government listen to what others tell him what he & his government should be doing? Of course not because they're just laughing at what a joke he is & feel bad for the Canadians who didn't vote for him. ;)
Israel has shit the bed by going too far.
 

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Quebec newspaper La Presse removes cartoon denounced as anti-Semitic
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Quebec newspaper La Presse has removed a political cartoon that depicted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as the vampire from the silent film "Nosferatu" after criticism that the caricature used antisemitic imagery.
Quebec newspaper La Presse has removed a political cartoon that depicted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as the vampire from the silent film "Nosferatu" after criticism that the caricature used antisemitic imagery.
MONTREAL — Quebec newspaper La Presse has apologized for publishing a cartoon Wednesday that depicted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as the vampire from the film “Nosferatu” after criticism that the caricature used anti-Semitic imagery.


The image published online portrayed Netanyahu with pointed ears and long sharp fingers, evoking a sequence in the 1922 silent film in which the vampire Count Orlok hides away on a ship in pursuit of his human prey.


A text overlay identified the caricature as “Nosfenyahou” on his way to the city of Rafah in the Gaza Strip, which Netanyahu this week said would be targeted by a ground invasion, despite international appeals against the assault. La Presse removed the cartoon from its website Wednesday morning.

Many commentators and politicians denounced the image as an expression of anti-Semitic tropes, with some noting the German film’s echoes in Nazi propaganda and ties to historical depictions of Jewish people as vampires.


In a statement posted to X, formerly Twitter, the embassy of Israel in Canada said “shame on (La Presse) for posting this vile caricature.” The Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs wrote on X that criticism of Netanyahu is possible “without stooping to using anti-Semitic tropes such as hooked fingers or a big nose.”

The centre said the drawing “contributes to the normalization of anti-Semitism that has been affecting our community for months.”

La Presse chief editorialist Stephanie Grammond apologized in a statement posted online Wednesday afternoon, saying it was never the paper’s intention to promote harmful stereotypes.

“The drawing was meant to be a criticism of Mr. Netanyahu’s policies,” Grammond wrote. “It was aimed at the Israeli government, not the Jewish people.”


The representation of the Israeli prime minister as the “Nosferatu” vampire was “unfortunate,” she said, given the embrace of the figure by the Nazi regime.

The film even served as inspiration to the publisher of Der Sturmer, a Nazi newspaper that pushed anti-Semitic imagery before the Second World War, according to Deidre Butler, a Carleton University professor and director of its Max and Tessie Zelikovitz Centre for Jewish Studies.

The image of the blood-sucking, barbaric vampire has long resonated with anti-Semitic ideologists, Butler explained in an email. The physical characteristics of the vampire in “Nosferatu,” in particular, could have been read as Jewish stereotypes to audiences in 1922, she said.


“This is a powerfully anti-Semitic image,” wrote Butler, who teaches a course that examines depictions of Jews as monsters. “Even if you’ve never seen ’Nosferatu,’ ’Nosferatu’ informs an entire genre of vampire movies that reverberate with anti-Semitic tropes.”

The cartoon by award-winning editorial cartoonist Serge Chapleau also drew condemnation from politicians in Ottawa, including Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who called it unacceptable. “It is distasteful and exactly the wrong thing to do, particularly in these times,” he told reporters.

Mental Health and Addictions Minister Ya’ara Saks said that to see “anti-Semitic tropes used in a national publication like this is just egregious.”

Conservative Party Leader Pierre Poilievre called the caricature “disgusting” and “vile” in a post on X.


In remarks on the Senate floor, Conservative Senator Leo Housakos accused La Presse of “following in (the) footsteps” of Der Sturmer. “The fact that this anti-Semitic trope was published in the first place reveals either gross ignorance or blatant anti-Semitism within the ranks of media in this country,” Housakos said.

This isn’t the first time in recent months that a Canadian publication has pulled a cartoon over accusations of anti-Semitism. In December, the Toronto Sun apologized for running a drawing that the paper said used anti-Semitic stereotypes in its depiction of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who is Jewish. The outlet cut ties with the syndicated cartoonist who drew the image.
 
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Israel has shit the bed by going too far.
How & in what way? The absolutely need to get rid of Hamas otherwise this whole thing is for naught & Israel will be in a constant war against these terrorists. What else can they do to protest their country? Cave? If they cave, the rest of the world is even more at risk.
 

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The latest rounds of truce talks kicked off in late February, but so far the negotiators have struggled to narrow the differences between Israel and Hamas.
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Israel was willing to accept a temporary truce for exchange of Palestinian prisoners for captives during late February. Israeli media quoted officials talking about a six-week truce during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

Netanyahu has said that Israel still plans to invade Rafah, the last and southern most refuge of Palestinians who fled months of Israeli bombardment, to realize its goal of defeating Hamas.

Israel has faced global condemnation for its war tactics, under which Gaza has been placed under a total blockade and very little effort has been made to differentiate between civilians and armed fighters (?) unlike the humanitarian actions of Hamas?

One fundamental disagreement between the two sides is that Hamas wants a permanent ceasefire until they break the next ceasefire, which they already have promised to do repeatedly. In response to the latest Hamas truce offer, the office of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said it was still based on “unrealistic demands”. Late last week, Hamas presented a proposal for a potential truce deal to mediators:

1) Some of the surviving Israeli captives would be released in exchange for Palestinian prisoners, 100 of whom are serving life sentences. Nearly 100 still living captives are believed to be in the custody of Hamas and other Palestinian factions.

2) The ceasefire would be divided into three stages each lasting 42 days (6 weeks each).

3) Hamas said that for the release of one Israeli female reservist captive, 50 Palestinian prisoners of its choosing, including 30 who are serving life sentences, should be freed.

4) Captives released first would be women and children. In exchange, 700-1,000 Palestinian prisoners would be released.

5) During the first stage, Israeli forces must withdraw from al-Rashid and Salah al-Din streets – the two main highways connecting the south to the north – to allow for the return of displaced the Hamas human shields to their homes above the Hamas tunnel systems and delivery of aid to Gaza.

6) In the second phase, a permanent ceasefire must be declared (until the next time it’s broken at a time of Hamas’s choosing after a UNRWA resupply) before any more captives are released, if ever…

7) The third stage would involve Israel lifting its siege on Gaza, and initiating the rebuilding of the Hamas version of Israel’s Iron Dome but using living Palestinians in the enclave.

The positions of Hamas & Israel are almost the same so what’s the issue here?
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  1. Destroying Israel and establishing an Islamic theocracy in Palestine is essential.
  2. Unrestrained jihad is necessary to achieve this.
  3. Negotiated resolutions of Jewish and Palestinian claims to the land are unacceptable.
  4. Historical anti-semitic tropes that reinforce the goals.
  5. The Covenant proclaims that Israel will exist until Islam obliterates it, and jihad against Jews is required until Judgement Day.
  6. Compromise over the land is forbidden.
  7. The documents promote holy war as divinely ordained, reject political solutions, and call for instilling these views in children (thus UNRWA wing).
 

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We should bomb the fuck out of both of them.
This is just one of the current or potentially imminent conflicts occurring simultaneously, & what would it accomplish?

Russia/Ukraine? Should we bomb them both also?

Afghanistan(ISIS)/India? Should we bomb them both also?

Taiwan/China? Should we bomb them both also?

India/China? Should we bomb them both also? With their immense populations and shared border (and border conflict), butting heads will become inevitable, I assume…so maybe we should proactively take them both out?

These are just I can think of off the top of my head…
 

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This is just one of the current or potentially imminent conflicts occurring simultaneously, & what would it accomplish?

Russia/Ukraine? Should we bomb them both also?

Afghanistan(ISIS)/India? Should we bomb them both also?

Taiwan/China? Should we bomb them both also?

India/China? Should we bomb them both also? With their immense populations and shared border (and border conflict), butting heads will become inevitable, I assume…so maybe we should proactively take them both out?

These are just I can think of off the top of my head…
All that you mentioned will end. This one will never end.
 
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All that you mentioned will end. This one will never end.
I hear what you’re saying, and I even understand the logic behind your statement….the Muslim ideology of all Jews to be eliminated from the Middle East, versus Israel’s desire to remove Hamas, creating a power vacuum to be filled by Hamas 2.0 (a rose by another name) also sponsored by Iran.

(How do you see these other four conflicts ending that I pulled out of my butt in about 30 seconds earlier this morning? Buddy-Buddy type arrangements? Something that doesn’t drag the rest of the world into the quagmire behind them?)
 

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I hear what you’re saying, and I even understand the logic behind your statement….the Muslim ideology of all Jews to be eliminated from the Middle East, versus Israel’s desire to remove Hamas, creating a power vacuum to be filled by Hamas 2.0 (a rose by another name) also sponsored by Iran.

(How do you see these other four conflicts ending that I pulled out of my butt in about 30 seconds earlier this morning? Buddy-Buddy type arrangements? Something that doesn’t drag the rest of the world into the quagmire behind them?)
Did you know that every country in Europe banned, expelled, and/or otherwise officially discriminated against Jews at some point in the late medieval period?