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Serryah

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Yep and they voted in and support Hamas with 70% favorability

Who voted in Hamas? Half the population, or less, 14 years ago when the last "election" was held?

Yep, the population today sure voted in Hamas before they were able to vote or were even born.



The "Trans for Palestine Movement" marches on

They say "their struggle is our struggle. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"

Now try it in Gaza...

Careful, TM, you're using pronouns!

This ONE trans person believes that.

Not all.

And you're right, if a trans or gay person did say it in Gaza, likely they'd be killed for it.

Of course if you're gay or trans in the US, you could be killed too, so...

Relating, or trying to, with oppressed people isn't a bad thing, especially if you're oppressed as well.

But this idiot is wrong to think the Palestinian struggles equal trans struggles.
 

Ron in Regina

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The Al Rantisi and Shifa hospitals have been surrounded by the IDF. The northern and southern groups of Israeli forces have almost linked up.

Was listening to a report from one of the hospitals. (CBC As it Happens, specifically) During the interview, bombings were going on.

But sure, hospitals are legitimate targets always.
So far to date, I’m only reading and watching about Israelis in Gaza surrounding hospitals, slowly getting closer, but the hospitals themselves not being targeted…as of yet anyway.

(If Hamas is firing at the IDF as the IDF is surrounding hospitals in Gaza, are they firing from the hospitals out past the IDF towards Gaza, or from Gaza out past the IDF towards the hospitals?)

The only hospital I’ve heard of, in Gaza, that’s actually been hit during this war is the one that was initially blamed on Israel until it became apparent as soon as the sun came up the next day that it was a misfire from inside Gaza where they actually shot themselves…& was a rocket from a cemetery near the coast, that was being shot over the hospital towards Israel,landed in the parking lot of a hospital.

The Barzilai Hospital in Ashkelon is the only hospital that’s taken direct rocket hits since Oct 7th, but that’s a different story I guess.

Anyway, I think it’s only a matter of time before the Israelis are entering the hospitals in northern Gaza after weeks of trying to get the citizens of Gaza to move from north to south…
…if Hamas will allow its citizens in Gaza to travel those few miles from north to south.

Now I’ve heard and read moral justification that Hamas can’t be expected to have human compassion for their fellow citizens in Gaza, so Israel must have more compassion to compensate for the lack from Hamas, because Israel knows better.

The Family and Friends and Neighbours and Co-Workers of Hamas in Gaza are their fellow citizens in Gaza, and the members of Hamas (religion and politics aside) are also humans just like the Israelis as far as the expectation of humanity goes.

The use of the Arab residents of Gaza being used as human shields is beyond deplorable…& if Hamas is not allowing them to leave the northern zone of Gaza city as it appears, it’s even worse. If this is actually happening, is it much of a stretch to picture their tunnel systems being under schools or hospitals or residential homes, etc…?

Hopefully, if/when the Israeli’s enter the hospitals, they’re able to do so with a minimum of civilian casualties, and seal the tunnels with expansion foam weapons, but they’d have to search through every square foot first looking for the multinational kidnapped hostages from Oct 7th before doing anything through boobytrapped tunnels…& it would be to Hamas’s advantage to boobytrap with explosives, and then blame the Israelis for these same explosions.

It’s a lose/lose situation for Israel, but it doesn’t seem like they have much choice but to either root out Hamas or wait for repeated Oct 7th’s over & over. Ironically, with the shortage or electricity and water and food and fuel and so on and so forth in Gaza…the rockets from Gaza into Israel seem to be endless.

If there really are 500kms of tunnels being used by Hamas under Gaza, can you imagine if all of the construction materials and labour had been used for the betterment of the Gaza society instead of war infrastructure against Israel? For perspective, I’ve heard recently that the subway system under New Delhi is only about 400kms long for a population of almost 33,000,000 people.
 

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Who voted in Hamas? Half the population, or less, 14 years ago when the last "election" was held?

Yep, the population today sure voted in Hamas before they were able to vote or were even born.




Careful, TM, you're using pronouns!

This ONE trans person believes that.

Not all.

And you're right, if a trans or gay person did say it in Gaza, likely they'd be killed for it.

Of course if you're gay or trans in the US, you could be killed too, so...

Relating, or trying to, with oppressed people isn't a bad thing, especially if you're oppressed as well.

But this idiot is wrong to think the Palestinian struggles equal trans struggles.

How do Gazans really feel about Hamas? | Fortune

Web18 Oct 2023 · A June 2023 poll conducted by Khalil Shikaki, professor of political science and director of the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, indicated that 79% of Gazans supported armed...
 

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How do Gazans really feel about Hamas? | Fortune

Web18 Oct 2023 · A June 2023 poll conducted by Khalil Shikaki, professor of political science and director of the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, indicated that 79% of Gazans supported armed...

... really? Perhaps context would be better.


Further reading of those polls suggests a more nuanced story. Consider that in 2018, some 25% of women in Gaza risked death in childbirth, 53% of Gazans lived in poverty, and essential health care supplies were stretched thin. That same year, Shikaki found an increasing number of Gazans dissatisfied with Hamas’ government, with almost 50% hoping to leave Gaza entirely.


In the June 2023 Washington Institute poll, 64% of Gazans demanded improved health care, employment, education and some sense of normalcy instead of Hamas’ claimed “resistance.” Over 92% of Gazans expressed outright anger at their living conditions.


Additionally, as Shikaki reported, over 73% believed the Hamas government to be corrupt. Yet, Gazans saw little hope for electoral change. With no election since 2006, a majority of Gazans alive today were not old enough to have voted for Hamas.


Support of armed resistance was not always present. When Hamas openly fought the Palestinian Authority – which governs the West Bank and questioned the legitimacy of Hamas’ victory – and seized control over the Gaza Strip in 2007, over 73% of Palestinians opposed that seizure and any further armed conflict.


At that time, fewer than one-third of Gazans supported any military action against Israel. Over 80% condemned kidnapping, arson and indiscriminate violence.

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In 2017, scholar Sara Roy, studying the Palestinian economy and Islamism, explored Gazan tolerance of Hamas, noting “what is new is the sense of desperation, which can be felt in the boundaries people are now willing to cross, boundaries that were once inviolable.”


Gazans, Roy argued, particularly the 75% under the age of 30, felt widely varying affinities toward Hamas’ ideology or claims to Islamic legitimacy. Hamas, they noted, paid salaries when few others could. Risking targeting by Israeli soldiers was a calculated and tolerable hazard of hire if it meant a paycheck.


In 2019, 27% of Gazans blamed Hamas for their living conditions. In that same poll, 55% supported any peace plan that would include a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as a capital and an Israeli withdrawal from all occupied territories.


By 2023, when Gazans polled by Shikaki expressed their support for armed resistance, they did so in the belief that only such resistance – not electoral politics – would provide relief from the Israeli blockade and siege. At the same time, however, those polled expressed exhaustion with the corruption of Hamas and the ongoing unemployment and poverty of Gaza.



So Gazans think only armed conflict will resolve the issue, because that's all the faith they have. That DOESN'T mean they want the conflict.

Or support Hamas.
 
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The European Union on Sunday condemned Hamas for using "hospitals and civilians as human shields" in Gaza, while also urging Israel to show "maximum restraint" to protect civilians.

Hospitals in the north of the Palestinian enclave are blockaded by Israeli forces and barely able to care for those inside, according to medical staff. Gaza's largest and second largest hospitals, Al Shifa and Al-Quds, said they were suspending operations.

Israel says Hamas has placed command centres under and near hospitals and it needs to get at them to free around 200 hostages the militants took in Israel in an attack just over a month ago. Hamas has denied using hospitals in this way.

"The EU condemns the use of hospitals and civilians as human shields by Hamas," European Union foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said in a statement issued on behalf of the 27-nation bloc. "Civilians must be allowed to leave the combat zone."

At the same time, he urged Israel to exercise maximum restraint, stressing the obligation under international humanitarian law to protect hospitals, medical supplies and civilians inside hospitals.

"These hostilities are severely impacting hospitals and taking a horrific toll on civilians and medical staff," Borrell warned.

"Hospitals must ... be supplied immediately with the most urgent medical supplies, and patients that require urgent medical care need to be evacuated safely," he added. "In this context, we urge Israel to exercise maximum restraint to ensure the protection of civilians."

Doctors and the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza have said a lack of fuel there means patients cannot be operated on and incubators for premature babies cannot run. But the president disputed this.

"We deny this at all, there is a lot of spin by Hamas... but there's electricity in Shifa, everything is operating," Mr Herzog said.

Israel has said that Hamas has a base underneath the hospital building - a claim denied by Hamas.

Hamas meticulously planned and prepared for a massacre of Israeli civilians on a scale that was highly likely to provoke Israel’s government into sending troops into Gaza, analysts said. Indeed, Hamas leaders have publicly expressed a willingness to accept heavy losses — potentially including the deaths of many Gazan civilians living under Hamas rule.

“Will we have to pay a price? Yes, and we are ready to pay it,” Ghazi Hamad, a member of the Hamas politburo, told Beirut’s LCBI television in an interview aired on Oct. 24. “We are called a nation of martyrs, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs.”

Since the start of the ground invasion, other Hamas leaders have publicly exulted about what they perceive to be a strategic victory over Israel. Hamad declared in the Lebanese interview that Hamas was prepared to carry out the same kind of attack against Israel “again and again.”

“There will be a second, a third, a fourth” attack, Hamad said, according to a translation of his remarks by the Middle East Media Research Institute, a Washington nonprofit.
 
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