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Chapter 3: Israeli Settlements and International Law
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https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...apply-israel-palestinian-conflict-2023-10-11/ ----- (of course Israel doesn't recognize the ICC, because they don't want to be held accountable for their crimes. Kind'a like Russia, the US, Egypt and others - interesting that Palestine is considered a member state; whether they do anything with that though...)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Hamas is innocent at all. They're not. Absolutely not, they're just as guilty of crimes as Israel. And I hope that the ICC DOES hold those of Hamas - if they live - accountable for all they did, from leadership right down to the people who did those acts on the orders of said leadership.
But I've said it before, and will say it again, Israel KNOWS better. Hamas - we expect them to be monsters because they're a terrorist group. Israel is a legitimate signature nation of the UN and Geneva Convention. They are supposed to be (at least certain parties in Israel claim them to be) better than Hamas. It's not different than expecting the US to actually "be better" in conflict, and being shocked/outraged when they aren't (Abu Ghraib for instance). There's war and then there's shit like Israel is doing when there are other ways to take out Hamas' leadership that WON'T result in tens and hundreds of Palestinian innocents being murdered.
And given their history with being on the receiving end of oppression, apartheid, genocide, for them to inflict these on others is the most amazing account of twisted irony ever.
Remember Waco?Chapter 3: Israeli Settlements and International Law
https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...apply-israel-palestinian-conflict-2023-10-11/ ----- (of course Israel doesn't recognize the ICC, because they don't want to be held accountable for their crimes. Kind'a like Russia, the US, Egypt and others - interesting that Palestine is considered a member state; whether they do anything with that though...)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Hamas is innocent at all. They're not. Absolutely not, they're just as guilty of crimes as Israel. And I hope that the ICC DOES hold those of Hamas - if they live - accountable for all they did, from leadership right down to the people who did those acts on the orders of said leadership.
But I've said it before, and will say it again, Israel KNOWS better. Hamas - we expect them to be monsters because they're a terrorist group. Israel is a legitimate signature nation of the UN and Geneva Convention. They are supposed to be (at least certain parties in Israel claim them to be) better than Hamas. It's not different than expecting the US to actually "be better" in conflict, and being shocked/outraged when they aren't (Abu Ghraib for instance). There's war and then there's shit like Israel is doing when there are other ways to take out Hamas' leadership that WON'T result in tens and hundreds of Palestinian innocents being murdered.
And given their history with being on the receiving end of oppression, apartheid, genocide, for them to inflict these on others is the most amazing account of twisted irony ever.
Hamas has prepared for a long, drawn-out war in the Gaza Strip and believes it can hold up Israel's advance long enough to force its arch enemy to agree to a ceasefire, two sources close to the organization's leadership said.
Hamas, which rules Gaza, has stockpiled weapons, missiles, food and medical supplies, according to the people, who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of the situation. The group is confident its thousands of fighters can survive for months in a city of tunnels carved deep beneath the Palestinian enclave and frustrate Israeli forces with urban guerrilla tactics, the people told Reuters.
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Ultimately, Hamas believes international pressure for Israel to end the siege, as civilian casualties mount, could force a ceasefire and a negotiated settlement that would see the militant group emerge with a tangible concession such as the release of thousands of Palestinian prisoners in exchange for Israeli hostages, the sources said.
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The group has made it clear to the U.S. and Israel at indirect, Qatar-mediated hostage negotiations that it wants to force such a prisoner release in exchange for hostages, according to four Hamas officials, a regional official and a person familiar with the White House's thinking.
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Hamas has about 40,000 fighters, according to the sources at the group. They can move around the enclave using a vast web of fortified tunnels, hundreds of kilometers long and up to 80 meters deep, built over many years.
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Hamas, which is designated a terrorist movement by Israel, the US and the EU, called for the destruction of Israel in its 1988 founding charter.
In a subsequent document known as its 2017 charter, the group accepted for the first time the idea of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders claimed by Israel after the Six Day War, although the group did not explicitly recognize Israel's right to exist.
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Hamas, which rules Gaza, has stockpiled weapons, missiles, food and medical supplies, according to the people, who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of the situation. The group is confident its thousands of fighters can survive for months in a city of tunnels carved deep beneath the Palestinian enclave and frustrate Israeli forces with urban guerrilla tactics, the people told Reuters.
Is it a crime to support Hamas? What pro-Palestinian supporters need to know about Gaza rulers — National Post
Is waving a Hamas flag a crime? Can someone be charged for expressing support for Hamas in Canada? What you need to know about the Gaza rulers
'What a joke': Trudeau slammed after seemingly calling for Israeli ceasefire then backtracking — Yahoo News Canada
The Canadian prime minister told reporters on Friday "we need ceasing of the levels of violence" and a "humanitarian pause" in Gaza.
WARMINGTON: No apologies for wrongly blaming Israel for hospital blast
So now that U.S. President Joe Biden has made it clear Israel was not behind the bombing of a Gaza hospital where and when is the protest for those who was responsible?
Michael Higgins: Mélanie Joly sees the tragedy of Gaza — but not the evil behind it — National Post
The problem with a humanitarian truce is that it would be seen as the prelude to a ceasefire, and thus leave Hamas still operating
In a subsequent document known as its 2017 charter, the group accepted for the first time the idea of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders claimed by Israel after the Six Day War, although the group did not explicitly recognize Israel's right to exist.
Insight: How Hamas aims to trap Israel in Gaza quagmire — Reuters
Hamas has prepared for a long, drawn-out war in the Gaza Strip and believes it can hold up Israel's advance long enough to force its arch enemy to agree to a ceasefire, two sources close to the organization's leadership said.
Where do Hamas' rockets come from? #shorts
Why do some people believe that the raw materials of Hamas' rockets were sourced from China? On the Belt and Road portal of Jiangsu province, a post from Apr...
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It is not apartheid: A quick debunking of the most obvious lies about the State of Israel — National Post
For decades, the pro-Palestinian cause has assailed the Jewish state with basically any falsehood that would stick – and a lot of it has
The world needs to know: we are at war with Hamas, NOT the people of Gaza.
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Fatah–Hamas conflict - Wikipedia
State-organised rallies in Iran mark 1979 US embassy seizure, support Gaza — Reuters
State-organised rallies were held across Iran on Saturday marking the 1979 seizure of the U.S. embassy with cries of "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" in support of Palestinians under Israeli bombardment in Gaza.
The UN is in disarray over the Israel-Hamas war — POLITICO
It’s an emotional time for an institution whose staffers are being killed in Gaza while Russia and the United States feud at the Security Council.
I think I mentioned that Palestinians would have the ability to out vote any of zillion different Jewish parties if 1 State.
It is not apartheid: A quick debunking of the most obvious lies about the State of Israel — National Post
For decades, the pro-Palestinian cause has assailed the Jewish state with basically any falsehood that would stick – and a lot of it hasIsrael’s 2005 withdrawal from Gaza wasn’t just a unilateralist cop to Palestinian nationalism. At the time, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was pretty open about the fact that they were doing it for “demographic” reasons.The world needs to know: we are at war with Hamas, NOT the people of Gaza.
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Quite simply, Gaza had a lot of people and a high birth rate. So, if Israel annexed the territory, they were potentially absorbing so many Arabs that – in a few generations — Muslims would constitute the Israeli majority and they’d lose their ability to be both a democracy and a Jewish state.Fatah–Hamas conflict - Wikipedia
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The Palestinian population is growing dramatically. In the immediate wake of the Six Day War in 1967, there was about 1 million Arabs living in Gaza and the West Bank. According to the most recent count by the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics, that number is now up to 5.5 million.
This is not the kind of calculus that an actual apartheid country would make. Apartheid South Africa would have simply annexed Gaza and then declared the Palestinians as racially inferior non-citizens who weren’t allowed to vote.
State-organised rallies in Iran mark 1979 US embassy seizure, support Gaza — Reuters
State-organised rallies were held across Iran on Saturday marking the 1979 seizure of the U.S. embassy with cries of "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" in support of Palestinians under Israeli bombardment in Gaza.
The new war began when Hamas stormed southern Israel and killed some 1,400 people while taking more than 200 hostage. Israel has since laid siege to the Gaza Strip, launching airstrikes and sending in ground troops. At least 9,000 Palestinians are believed to have been killed, most of them civilians, according to reports citing health officials in the Hamas-controlled territory.
The UN is in disarray over the Israel-Hamas war — POLITICO
It’s an emotional time for an institution whose staffers are being killed in Gaza while Russia and the United States feud at the Security Council.
Okay to say 'Israel should be banned' at London Islamic School
But the school's principal says a teacher was wrong to read her student's poem aloud on social media
Author of the article:
Joe Warmington
Published Nov 02, 2023 • Last updated 1 day ago • 3 minute read
In a post on social media, London Islamic School teacher Sarah Elnaffar reads aloud a poem from a 13-year-old student that called for Israel to be "banned."
In a post on social media, London Islamic School teacher Sarah Elnaffar reads aloud a poem from a 13-year-old student that called for Israel to be "banned." Photo by Sarah Elnaffar /Instagram
The principal at London Islamic School – in Southwestern Ontario – says a teacher reading a student’s poem on TikTok that states “Israel should be banned” has been spoken to.
However, the word had with her was not about what many would consider anti-Semitic themes in the video but on her choice to put it on social media.
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“We did speak to her about posting anything within the school,” Principal Samah Al-Sabbagh said Thursday. “She is aware of that and she has not posted anything (else).”
Of course, for many in the public, including in the Jewish community, the concern was less about how the video was shared and more about what was said in it.
In the post, teacher Sarah Elnaffar praised the 13-year-old student for her poem that she read to the class.
“From the river to the sea, Palestine should be free; from our hearts and above, Palestine should be loved; from the sky to space, there should be no struggle Palestinians should face; from the oceans to below, Palestine should be known; from the soil to the sand, Israel should be banned; from the grass to the trees, Palestine should be seen.”
The teacher and the whole class applauded.
“Wow, that was a really good poem,” Elnaffar then tells her class
Perhaps at that school and in that classroom – but for Jewish people around the world, such a poem is effectively dancing on the graves of 1,400 people who were slaughtered in Israel at the hands of Hamas on Oct. 7.
Any reference to “from the river to the sea” is generally seen as a genocidal rant. But this poem goes even further by stating “Israel should be banned” – reminiscent of a dark part of human history in which the Nazi’s enacted such a policy that produced the Holocaust that saw the extinction of six-million Jews.
Apparently this school is not familiar with the “never again” phrase often used to highlight the lessons of the Holocaust.
The Toronto Sun requested an interview with Elnaffar but had not heard from the teacher at press time.
“It is disturbing to learn that there are teachers in Ontario indoctrinating children by praising their use of slogans popularized by the terror group Hamas,” B’nai Brith Canada CEO Michael Mostyn said. “It is our understanding that calling for the erasure of the Jewish state is not currently part of Ontario’s curriculum.”
London Islamic School Principal Samah Al-Sabbagh said she has spoken to her teacher about posting to TikTok in the future
London Islamic School Principal Samah Al-Sabbagh said she has spoken to her teacher about posting to TikTok in the future
But, in pointing it this was not done during instruction time, Al-Sabbagh said there will be no discipline for the teacher or the student and explained the school always teaches their kids how to be “fair and right.”
“I think in the poem it just says Israel should be banned, but it doesn’t say from what?” the principal said. “It’s something a student wrote. It’s not something that she (the teacher) has come up with herself.”
“She has no control over the kids, but she does tell the kids we have to be understanding and we have to be fair and so on and so forth,” Al-Sabbagh added.
So, “from the river to the sea,” or “soil to the sand, Israel should be banned,” don’t fall into a category of understanding?
“It depends,” said Al-Sabbagh. “She is saying it within the poem and if she’s said they should be banned from doing what they are doing, then it’s something that is completely up to her to say, right?”
Teacher Sarah Elnaffar
Teacher Sarah Elnaffar
Going on the concept of having free speech, Al-Sabbagh added, “It is something she has a right to say – if she thinks they are doing something bad and should be banned from doing something bad. She didn’t say anything specific about Israel (or) anything happening to it. She was saying about banning what’s happening. That’s up the student, right?”
Of course, the true test of that would be to see how tolerant the principal, teacher and student would be if a Jewish student wrote such a poem.
However, students should be taught at all times that there is no one group of people that should ever be banned and that everyone is equal.
That said, the poem, the teacher’s praise of it, and the principal’s explanation offer insight into what students are learning at London Islamic School.
While the school’s website says it follows the Ontario curriculum, Mostyn is correct when he points out there are no anti-Israel sentiments in the province’s curriculum.
jwarmington@postmedia.com
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But the school's principal says a teacher was wrong to read her student's poem aloud on social media
Author of the article:
Joe Warmington
Published Nov 02, 2023 • Last updated 1 day ago • 3 minute read
In a post on social media, London Islamic School teacher Sarah Elnaffar reads aloud a poem from a 13-year-old student that called for Israel to be "banned."
In a post on social media, London Islamic School teacher Sarah Elnaffar reads aloud a poem from a 13-year-old student that called for Israel to be "banned." Photo by Sarah Elnaffar /Instagram
The principal at London Islamic School – in Southwestern Ontario – says a teacher reading a student’s poem on TikTok that states “Israel should be banned” has been spoken to.
However, the word had with her was not about what many would consider anti-Semitic themes in the video but on her choice to put it on social media.
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Have your say Leave a comment and share your thoughts with our community.
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“We did speak to her about posting anything within the school,” Principal Samah Al-Sabbagh said Thursday. “She is aware of that and she has not posted anything (else).”
Of course, for many in the public, including in the Jewish community, the concern was less about how the video was shared and more about what was said in it.
In the post, teacher Sarah Elnaffar praised the 13-year-old student for her poem that she read to the class.
“From the river to the sea, Palestine should be free; from our hearts and above, Palestine should be loved; from the sky to space, there should be no struggle Palestinians should face; from the oceans to below, Palestine should be known; from the soil to the sand, Israel should be banned; from the grass to the trees, Palestine should be seen.”
The teacher and the whole class applauded.
“Wow, that was a really good poem,” Elnaffar then tells her class
Perhaps at that school and in that classroom – but for Jewish people around the world, such a poem is effectively dancing on the graves of 1,400 people who were slaughtered in Israel at the hands of Hamas on Oct. 7.
Any reference to “from the river to the sea” is generally seen as a genocidal rant. But this poem goes even further by stating “Israel should be banned” – reminiscent of a dark part of human history in which the Nazi’s enacted such a policy that produced the Holocaust that saw the extinction of six-million Jews.
Apparently this school is not familiar with the “never again” phrase often used to highlight the lessons of the Holocaust.
The Toronto Sun requested an interview with Elnaffar but had not heard from the teacher at press time.
“It is disturbing to learn that there are teachers in Ontario indoctrinating children by praising their use of slogans popularized by the terror group Hamas,” B’nai Brith Canada CEO Michael Mostyn said. “It is our understanding that calling for the erasure of the Jewish state is not currently part of Ontario’s curriculum.”
London Islamic School Principal Samah Al-Sabbagh said she has spoken to her teacher about posting to TikTok in the future
London Islamic School Principal Samah Al-Sabbagh said she has spoken to her teacher about posting to TikTok in the future
But, in pointing it this was not done during instruction time, Al-Sabbagh said there will be no discipline for the teacher or the student and explained the school always teaches their kids how to be “fair and right.”
“I think in the poem it just says Israel should be banned, but it doesn’t say from what?” the principal said. “It’s something a student wrote. It’s not something that she (the teacher) has come up with herself.”
“She has no control over the kids, but she does tell the kids we have to be understanding and we have to be fair and so on and so forth,” Al-Sabbagh added.
So, “from the river to the sea,” or “soil to the sand, Israel should be banned,” don’t fall into a category of understanding?
“It depends,” said Al-Sabbagh. “She is saying it within the poem and if she’s said they should be banned from doing what they are doing, then it’s something that is completely up to her to say, right?”
Teacher Sarah Elnaffar
Teacher Sarah Elnaffar
Going on the concept of having free speech, Al-Sabbagh added, “It is something she has a right to say – if she thinks they are doing something bad and should be banned from doing something bad. She didn’t say anything specific about Israel (or) anything happening to it. She was saying about banning what’s happening. That’s up the student, right?”
Of course, the true test of that would be to see how tolerant the principal, teacher and student would be if a Jewish student wrote such a poem.
However, students should be taught at all times that there is no one group of people that should ever be banned and that everyone is equal.
That said, the poem, the teacher’s praise of it, and the principal’s explanation offer insight into what students are learning at London Islamic School.
While the school’s website says it follows the Ontario curriculum, Mostyn is correct when he points out there are no anti-Israel sentiments in the province’s curriculum.
jwarmington@postmedia.com
WARMINGTON: Okay to say 'Israel should be banned' at London Islamic School
The principal at Ontario’s London Islamic School says a teacher reading a student's poem on TikTok that states Israel should be “banned" has been spoken to.
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Rome Statute - Wikipedia
"As of November 2019, 123 states[23] are parties to the Statute of the Court, including all the countries of South America, nearly all of Europe, most of Oceania and roughly half of Africa.[2][24] Burundi and the Philippines were member states, but later withdrew effective 27 October 2017[25] and 17 March 2019,[26] respectively.[2][24] A further 31 countries[23] have signed but not ratified the Rome Statute.[2][24] The law of treaties obliges these states to refrain from "acts which would defeat the object and purpose" of the treaty until they declare they do not intend to become a party to the treaty.[27] Four signatory states—Israel in 2002,[28] the United States on 6 May 2002,[29][30] Sudan on 26 August 2008,[31] and Russia on 30 November 2016[32]—have informed the UN Secretary General that they no longer intend to become states parties and, as such, have no legal obligations arising from their signature of the Statute.[2][24]"
Funny that.
So a great idea at one point, but when they could be held accountable for their shit... nah, don't wanna be part of the game anymore. Took their balls and went home.
Not being part of this treaty doesn't absolve them from the Geneva Convention.
List of parties to the Geneva Conventions - Wikipedia
It is not apartheid: A quick debunking of the most obvious lies about the State of Israel — National Post
For decades, the pro-Palestinian cause has assailed the Jewish state with basically any falsehood that would stick – and a lot of it has
Yeah, sorry Ron, I'll stick with the experts on this one and they DO say it's apartheid.
Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territory is ‘apartheid’: UN rights expert
Calling on the international community to accept and adopt the recent findings in his report, an independent human rights expert said on Friday that “apartheid is being practiced by Israel in the occupied Palestinian territory”.
Also interesting:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7118937.stm --- ""If the day comes when the two-state solution collapses, and we face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights, then, as soon as that happens, the State of Israel is finished," Mr Olmert is quoted saying in Haaretz newspaper."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/feb/03/barak-apartheid-palestine-peace --- "Ehud Barak, Israel's defence minister, last night delivered an unusually blunt warning to his country that a failure to make peace with the Palestinians would leave either a state with no Jewish majority or an "apartheid" regime."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/joint-israel-west-bank-reality-is-an-apartheid-state/ --- "As long as there is no Palestinian state and Israel rules over the West Bank, Israel is a de facto apartheid state, a former top Foreign Ministry official said Wednesday, using a highly contentious term usually employed only by radical anti-Israel activists.
Alon Liel, a former Foreign Ministry director-general and ex-ambassador to South Africa, also called on President Barack Obama to stay home if he didn’t intend to warn Israelis about the dangers of an approaching “apartheid cliff.”
“In the situation that exists today, until a Palestinian state is created, we are actually one state. This joint state — in the hope that the status quo is temporary — is an apartheid state,” Liel said at a Jerusalem conference about whether Israel is or could become an apartheid state.
“As someone who knows the original apartheid well, and also knows the State of Israel quite well — I was born here, grew up here, served and fought for it for 30 years — someone like me knows that Zionism isn’t apartheid and the State of Israel that I grew up in wasn’t an apartheid state,” Liel emphasized.
“I’m here today because I came to the conclusion that the occupation of the West Bank as it exists today is a sort of Israeli apartheid,” said Liel. “The occupation became a hump on the back of Zionism; it has now become the hump of the State of Israel.”"
Seems not only "outsiders" realize what's going on is apartheid.
Israel’s 2005 withdrawal from Gaza wasn’t just a unilateralist cop to Palestinian nationalism. At the time, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was pretty open about the fact that they were doing it for “demographic” reasons.The world needs to know: we are at war with Hamas, NOT the people of Gaza.
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Quite simply, Gaza had a lot of people and a high birth rate. So, if Israel annexed the territory, they were potentially absorbing so many Arabs that – in a few generations — Muslims would constitute the Israeli majority and they’d lose their ability to be both a democracy and a Jewish state.Fatah–Hamas conflict - Wikipedia
The Palestinian population is growing dramatically. In the immediate wake of the Six Day War in 1967, there was about 1 million Arabs living in Gaza and the West Bank. According to the most recent count by the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics, that number is now up to 5.5 million.
You do know why populations boom, right? Whether animal or human, when death is a huge factor of life, all creatures breed like rabbits in hopes that someone of their 'blood' survives.
When the population reaches breaking point vs. resources, normally that population crashes. In the animal kingdom, that leads to mass die offs, sickness, etc. Or animals move on to find new territory if they can.
Humans go through similar - when the land can't support the people there, there's famine, disease, etc. Humans though end up moving off to other places if that starts to happen, until other nations deny that movement. Whether through another countries immigration policies, or in the case of Gaza, they're kept there and not allowed to leave (also like the Uyghurs in China, or it's own people in North Korea; refusal to allow a population to leave a country tends to be signs of authoritarianism/dictatorships because losing people = loss of that power)
With constant threat of bombings, starvation, sickness, and all things death, the population booms in Gaza or the West Bank shouldn't be a shock.
World Health Assembly Decries Health Conditions In Occupied Palestinian Territories - Health Policy Watch
The World Health Assembly passed a motion on Wednesday calling for the continued support of the World Health Organization in developing and protecting health systems in the occupied Palestinian territories.
State-organised rallies in Iran mark 1979 US embassy seizure, support Gaza — Reuters
State-organised rallies were held across Iran on Saturday marking the 1979 seizure of the U.S. embassy with cries of "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" in support of Palestinians under Israeli bombardment in Gaza.
See above about the apartheid-ness of Israel.
The new war began when Hamas stormed southern Israel and killed some 1,400 people while taking more than 200 hostage. Israel has since laid siege to the Gaza Strip, launching airstrikes and sending in ground troops. At least 9,000 Palestinians are believed to have been killed, most of them civilians, according to reports citing health officials in the Hamas-controlled territory.The UN is in disarray over the Israel-Hamas war — POLITICO
It’s an emotional time for an institution whose staffers are being killed in Gaza while Russia and the United States feud at the Security Council.
Again, not denying Hamas DID bring this onto their people and I also think Palestinians need to step the fuck up and STOP Hamas from this shit if they want a real chance. It's why I wash off Palestinians, in the end, of wanting peace - because if they did, they would push for it however they could, even while recognizing that in some ways, they CAN'T.
But I will not side with Israel (current Israeli Government, specifically, and it's extremist right backers, who ironically are just as much anti Christian and anti a lot of things as they are anti-Arab) either as it is JUST as much at fault as Hamas is. THEY need to stop their shit too but one big difference is they HAVE at least voted to try and get in people who can work for peace before. I do see the constant battle for Netenyahu to form an actual true government/leadership as a sign there's big issues in Israel politically that could lead towards something with Palestine.
I also acknowledge Hamas likely fucked a lot of that up. But then Bibi is getting his own share of blame, so...
But with that same far right in power, I wash my hands of supporting Israel's government (and most of Israel) because Israel crosses the line too much to keep being touted as some sort of beacon of "Goodness" or "right" in the Middle East, too many still want to kill all the animals (Palestinians) to make it worth 'defending' them.
Who or what is Israel "occupying?" Gaza hasn't been under Israeli control since 2005 or 2006. It's HAMAS that is in control there. No occupation from Israel. The West Bank is under the control of the PA. So, I'm confused. Exactly where is Israel "controlling" anything? What they ARE doing is providing water, food & medicines to both areas. So someone PLEASE explain what occupation Israel is doing. Thank you in advance!!
Sorry Ron, I guess you aren't woke enough to support terrorists.Yeah, sorry Ron, I'll stick with the experts on this one and they DO say it's apartheid.
Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territory is ‘apartheid’: UN rights expert
Calling on the international community to accept and adopt the recent findings in his report, an independent human rights expert said on Friday that “apartheid is being practiced by Israel in the occupied Palestinian territory”.news.un.org
Also interesting:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7118937.stm --- ""If the day comes when the two-state solution collapses, and we face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights, then, as soon as that happens, the State of Israel is finished," Mr Olmert is quoted saying in Haaretz newspaper."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/feb/03/barak-apartheid-palestine-peace --- "Ehud Barak, Israel's defence minister, last night delivered an unusually blunt warning to his country that a failure to make peace with the Palestinians would leave either a state with no Jewish majority or an "apartheid" regime."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/joint-israel-west-bank-reality-is-an-apartheid-state/ --- "As long as there is no Palestinian state and Israel rules over the West Bank, Israel is a de facto apartheid state, a former top Foreign Ministry official said Wednesday, using a highly contentious term usually employed only by radical anti-Israel activists.
Alon Liel, a former Foreign Ministry director-general and ex-ambassador to South Africa, also called on President Barack Obama to stay home if he didn’t intend to warn Israelis about the dangers of an approaching “apartheid cliff.”
“In the situation that exists today, until a Palestinian state is created, we are actually one state. This joint state — in the hope that the status quo is temporary — is an apartheid state,” Liel said at a Jerusalem conference about whether Israel is or could become an apartheid state.
“As someone who knows the original apartheid well, and also knows the State of Israel quite well — I was born here, grew up here, served and fought for it for 30 years — someone like me knows that Zionism isn’t apartheid and the State of Israel that I grew up in wasn’t an apartheid state,” Liel emphasized.
“I’m here today because I came to the conclusion that the occupation of the West Bank as it exists today is a sort of Israeli apartheid,” said Liel. “The occupation became a hump on the back of Zionism; it has now become the hump of the State of Israel.”"
Seems not only "outsiders" realize what's going on is apartheid.
You do know why populations boom, right? Whether animal or human, when death is a huge factor of life, all creatures breed like rabbits in hopes that someone of their 'blood' survives.
When the population reaches breaking point vs. resources, normally that population crashes. In the animal kingdom, that leads to mass die offs, sickness, etc. Or animals move on to find new territory if they can.
Humans go through similar - when the land can't support the people there, there's famine, disease, etc. Humans though end up moving off to other places if that starts to happen, until other nations deny that movement. Whether through another countries immigration policies, or in the case of Gaza, they're kept there and not allowed to leave (also like the Uyghurs in China, or it's own people in North Korea; refusal to allow a population to leave a country tends to be signs of authoritarianism/dictatorships because losing people = loss of that power)
With constant threat of bombings, starvation, sickness, and all things death, the population booms in Gaza or the West Bank shouldn't be a shock.
World Health Assembly Decries Health Conditions In Occupied Palestinian Territories - Health Policy Watch
The World Health Assembly passed a motion on Wednesday calling for the continued support of the World Health Organization in developing and protecting health systems in the occupied Palestinian territories.healthpolicy-watch.news
State-organised rallies in Iran mark 1979 US embassy seizure, support Gaza — Reuters
State-organised rallies were held across Iran on Saturday marking the 1979 seizure of the U.S. embassy with cries of "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" in support of Palestinians under Israeli bombardment in Gaza.
See above about the apartheid-ness of Israel.
Again, not denying Hamas DID bring this onto their people and I also think Palestinians need to step the fuck up and STOP Hamas from this shit if they want a real chance. It's why I wash off Palestinians, in the end, of wanting peace - because if they did, they would push for it however they could, even while recognizing that in some ways, they CAN'T.
But I will not side with Israel (current Israeli Government, specifically, and it's extremist right backers, who ironically are just as much anti Christian and anti a lot of things as they are anti-Arab) either as it is JUST as much at fault as Hamas is. THEY need to stop their shit too but one big difference is they HAVE at least voted to try and get in people who can work for peace before. I do see the constant battle for Netenyahu to form an actual true government/leadership as a sign there's big issues in Israel politically that could lead towards something with Palestine.
I also acknowledge Hamas likely fucked a lot of that up. But then Bibi is getting his own share of blame, so...
But with that same far right in power, I wash my hands of supporting Israel's government (and most of Israel) because Israel crosses the line too much to keep being touted as some sort of beacon of "Goodness" or "right" in the Middle East, too many still want to kill all the animals (Palestinians) to make it worth 'defending' them.
"I am a Palestinian" - Golda Meir, late PM of Israel. #israel #jordan #palestine
"When were the Palestinians born? What was all this area before the 1st World War? When Britain got the Mandate over Palestine, what was 'Palestine' then? Pa...
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Secretary of State Antony Blinken took US calls for “humanitarian pauses” in the Israel-Hamas war to key Arab allies, who publicly insisted on an immediate cease-fire instead. (Surprise…not surprised)
Ultimately, Hamas believes international pressure for Israel to end the siege, as civilian casualties mount, could force a ceasefire and a negotiated settlement that would see the militant group emerge with a tangible concession such as the release of thousands of Palestinian prisoners in exchange for Israeli hostages, the sources said.Is it a crime to support Hamas? What pro-Palestinian supporters need to know about Gaza rulers — National Post
Is waving a Hamas flag a crime? Can someone be charged for expressing support for Hamas in Canada? What you need to know about the Gaza rulers
The group has made it clear to the U.S. and Israel at indirect, Qatar-mediated hostage negotiations that it wants to force such a prisoner release in exchange for hostages, according to four Hamas officials, a regional official and a person familiar with the White House's thinking.'What a joke': Trudeau slammed after seemingly calling for Israeli ceasefire then backtracking — Yahoo News Canada
The Canadian prime minister told reporters on Friday "we need ceasing of the levels of violence" and a "humanitarian pause" in Gaza.
WARMINGTON: No apologies for wrongly blaming Israel for hospital blast
So now that U.S. President Joe Biden has made it clear Israel was not behind the bombing of a Gaza hospital where and when is the protest for those who was responsible?
Hamas has about 40,000 fighters, according to the sources at the group. They can move around the enclave using a vast web of fortified tunnels, hundreds of kilometers long and up to 80 meters deep, built over many years.
Hamas, which is designated a terrorist movement by Israel, the US and the EU, called for the destruction of Israel in its 1988 founding charter.Michael Higgins: Mélanie Joly sees the tragedy of Gaza — but not the evil behind it — National Post
The problem with a humanitarian truce is that it would be seen as the prelude to a ceasefire, and thus leave Hamas still operating
Insight: How Hamas aims to trap Israel in Gaza quagmire — Reuters
Hamas has prepared for a long, drawn-out war in the Gaza Strip and believes it can hold up Israel's advance long enough to force its arch enemy to agree to a ceasefire, two sources close to the organization's leadership said.
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