H1N1 - Think it will never really touch you?

[Tonington]

Well, it is from the shot. It's an immune reaction. But it's not due to viral DNA replicating inside your cells, unless you were sick at the time of vaccination. But one can get flu like symptoms, sometimes severe, without infection. The suite of lymphocytes, monocytes, and granulocytes are part of the symptoms you feel when you're actually sick.

 

[L Gilbert]

I see Anna dug up that bit about Mercola and his fear mongering little ploy. I think the gov't banned him from tv because of his misinformation about health issues and whatever. Before that he was in trouble for a few things, too.

Want to see what people had to say about Mercola on the "rate your doctor" site?

http://www.ratemds.com/filecache/doctor-ratings.jsp?did=1587&print=1

Cancer is a fungus? I would suggest that Mercola is the fungus:

A fungus among us in oncology? : Respectful Insolence

 

[VanIsle]

Well, it is from the shot. It's an immune reaction. But it's not due to viral DNA replicating inside your cells, unless you were sick at the time of vaccination. But one can get flu like symptoms, sometimes severe, without infection. The suite of lymphocytes, monocytes, and granulocytes are part of the symptoms you feel when you're actually sick.

You sound very knowledgeable. I have no reason to dispute what you say but no reason to totally believe all of it either. Are you a doctor? Preparing to be a doctor?

 

[L Gilbert]

You sound very knowledgeable. I have no reason to dispute what you say but no reason to totally believe all of it either. Are you a doctor? Preparing to be a doctor?

I think he's likely gone to bed is what he is. lol
He's on his way, VI. He has a Bach in biology I think.

 

[VanIsle]

I think he's likely gone to bed is what he is. lol
He's on his way, VI. He has a Bach in biology I think.

I didn't expect an answer tonight. I actually wrote to my niece and her fiance. They are both in med school so I want to see what they have to say. I should have been in bed at least 2 hours ago so I better get there. Have two nieces in Ottawa so can't write on facebook to one and not the other so I am up much later than planned. Tough day ahead at work in the morning. I will be so glad to get this move over with and settled in our house again. It all takes so much time.

 

[ironsides]

That is exactly the two reasons I am NOT getting them.
A fw years back I got conned into getting a flu shot because I was working part time on the ambulance. I have never been that sick since I was a little kid.

If you happen to be coming down with the flu or something else, the shot will not protect you. You need to have the flu shot at least two weeks before you build up any kind of immunity. I can see that the timing of the shot and when you got sick could make you think the shot did it. It didn't, just a coincidence.

 

[ironsides]

Ironsides: The H1N1 virus hit BC faster than anywhere else in Canada and it hit quite sometime ago. A lot of people are pretty angry that the vaccine has not been more readily available here since we were hit hardest first.
Petros and I are really not debating anything. His explanation for the word Adjuvanted was that it means there is mercury in the vaccine and mine was different because I know there is mercury in all the flu shots and I know also that there are minute amounts. It has been stated in our BC papers that adjuvanted means the vaccine contains a compound that boosts the effectiveness of the vaccine and more importantly (to me) allows the administration of smaller doses. That is, I am sure, why children can have it. Petros believes that the meaning is that mercury has been added but that doesn't work for me because, as I stated before - flu shots have mercury and they say this is the first time adjuvanted shots have been used in Canada.

I just looked up "adjuvanted" Vaccination with the MF59™-adjuvanted vaccine has been shown to produce an enhanced immune response in the elderly (Me) and in subjects with underlying chronic disease compared with a non-adjuvanted vaccine.

Joan Puig-Barbera, PhD, MPH, MD, with the Center for Public Health of Castellon, and colleagues elsewhere analyzed data from three case-control studies performed during the 2004-2005 influenza season."
MF59-adjuvanted Influenza Vaccine (Fluad®) Slashes Hospitalizations In The Elderly

Been used in flu shots for the past 5 years or so down here, never made a issue out of it. Just did it without informing everyone up front. Are they holding off giving the H1N1 shots in the U.S. to those over 65 unless they are around children. There doing it here.

 

[Tonington]

You sound very knowledgeable. I have no reason to dispute what you say but no reason to totally believe all of it either. Are you a doctor? Preparing to be a doctor?

Finishing my degree in life sciences, Agriculture to be precise. You know the fever you get? That's your body inducing inflammation. Increased blood flow to the site of the foreign invaders, and a whole pile of white blood cells. When you're immunized with the vaccine, your body recognizes it as a foreign entity, and mobilizes it's defenses, your immune system.

The severity of the response can depend on many factors, individual variation, nutrition, general fitness, etc.

 

[Spade]

I am getting my H1N1 shot tomorrow; it is a duty to family and community.

 

[Dixie Cup]

Got the infuenza shot yesterday - goin' for the H1N1 tomorrow. Can never be too sure. Best thing to do is be pro active, that's for sure

 

[AnnaG]

I'm passing on the regular shot, as usual, but I will get the H1N1 on advice from Doc Steffy.
Think I had regular flu about 3 or 4 years ago and the effects were unnoticeable after 3 days.

 

[Walter]

Dixie Cup, nice tits.

 

[Walter]

I drink too much wine to get the flu.

 

[AnnaG]

Dixie Cup, nice tits.

The tip of my little finger covers them both. What are you talking about? The shape? The color?

 

[taxslave]

You did not and can not get the flu from a flu shot! It is a dead vaccine. You were already in the process of getting the flu when you got your shot is all that happened. Nothing more than coincidence.

According to the public health nurse that administered it I had a reaction to the shot. She also told me afterwards that that is not uncommon for a first offense.

 

[JLM]

A real case of influenza is 'not like having a bad cold'.

People who say that don' know what they are talking about, and this is why we have pandemics. Many people suffer from a cold, and think it's 'the flu'. Many people are stupid.

Inflenza (no matter what strain) will knock the **** out of you for a couple of weeks, and can easily kill you if your system is weak.

Yep, there's quite a difference between the 'flu' and a bad cold. Flu generally has all the symptoms of a cold but much more severe plus symtoms not found with a cold like your whole body aches, also with a cold you don't get a high fever. But then there are people who have a scratchy throat but it's a more dramatic if they can pass it off as the flu. While this swine flu is a serious matter for people with compromised health, more healthy people will die from worrying about it than from the flu itself.

 

[VanIsle]

I am getting my H1N1 shot tomorrow; it is a duty to family and community.

You are lucky you can. It seems that we might not be able to get ours before another 2 - 3 weeks has passed. I'm going to call the clinic in the morning.

 

[VanIsle]

According to the public health nurse that administered it I had a reaction to the shot. She also told me afterwards that that is not uncommon for a first offense.

Well, I still think if I was you, I would ask my doctor if she gave me true information. Everything I've been told by more than one doctor in more than one city states entirely the opposite.
This from "google":
A few years ago, I had a job working with young children, so my co-workers urged me to get vaccinated. I gave in, got the shot, and came down with what felt like the flu. It didn’t feel like a cold - I had fever, chills, body aches that seemed like the usual flu symptoms.
Now, I’d heard some say that they feared getting flu shots because they worried it would give them the flu. Given the persistence of this rumour, I wondered … nah, couldn’t be, right? Can the flu shot give you the flu?

via Medbroadcast: The benefits of prevention outweigh the risks with a flu shot. Rarely, people will experience allergic reaction. More often, they will experience no side effects or perhaps soreness, redness, or swelling at the spot where the shot was given. Contrary to myth, a flu shot cannot cause the flu, since it never contains any live virus.
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Influenza vaccinations are created from dead viruses. So far as we know, there is no zombie flu virus thing going on, and there is no way that a flu virus can come to life and activate the illness once injected into your body.​

via Medbroadcast: About 70% to 90% of healthy people who get a flu shot will be protected from the virus. Those who still get the flu usually get milder symptoms. After being injected with the vaccine, it can take a couple of weeks to take effect. If you catch a flu virus in that wait period you won’t be protected.
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In my case, I either happened to contract the flu around the time I got the shot - or else I had a reaction to the shot itself. Occasionally, the influenza vaccine can cause side effects that include low-grade fever and body aches, along with tenderness around the site of injection.
Apparently, these side effects are more likely to occur in young children who have had little prior exposure to the flu or the vaccine. I was not a young child at the time, but maybe I just hadn’t been exposed to the antibodies in that particular formulation of the vaccine.
I haven’t had a flu shot since then, and I’m still debating it this year … especially considering H1N1.

 

[VanIsle]

I had gas pains and hang-overs worse than this flu has been

Then you don't know this flu Greenfish. And - you haven't talked to anyone who has been proven to have it.

 

[JLM]

You are lucky you can. It seems that we might not be able to get ours before another 2 - 3 weeks has passed. I'm going to call the clinic in the morning.

By that time you should know if anyone has had a bad reaction to it.