Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Dixie Cup

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On Thursday, the eve of the anniversary of the École Polytechnique massacre in 1989, the federal government announced it was banning scores of new kinds of firearms. The government did not immediately have available for media a list of those firearms. And at first blush this might seem like an almost impossibly basic failure, even for this twitching, lurching zombie of a government.
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As with most anniversaries, this one happens on the same day every year. The Liberals always co-opt it as a gun-control wedge issue, and often use it to unveil new legislation or regulations. How many hours in advance did they decide to do it this year, to have been so unprepared? Six? One and a half?
But I can almost see this gang being surprised at the question, because of course these announcements are never really about the guns themselves. Canada’s list of banned firearms includes “the AR15.Com ARFCOM” and “the AR15.Com AR15.Com.”

AR15.com is a website, not a gun, no matter how many times in a row you say it.
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ARFCOM is also not a gun, but rather a nickname given said website by its users. That’s how seriously this government takes gun control, even as the vast majority of weapons involved in crime flow unmolested across the American border.
December 6 is an opportunity for Liberals to appeal to people who think all guns should be banned, or at least all guns that look to city folk like “assault weapons.” Tagging it down the road without actually collecting a singe firearm, for the next government to deal with it one way or the other…
…And this year’s gambit is even more cynical than average. A mandatory buyback program is in a “pilot project” stage for distributors and retailers, but won’t kick in for individual gun owners until October 2025 — which is, not at all coincidentally, the latest-possible date of the next federal election (at least under the current fixed-election-date law).
The list isn’t about the list. It never is. It’s about creating a wedge issue, hoping some Conservative MP will be crazy enough actually to stand up for gun-owners’ rights — at which point, the Liberals imagine, Canadians will swoon en masse in shock and abandon any hopes of changing governments. Vote Liberal or you’ll get shot, basically.
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That’s not even close to the most cynical part, though. The Liberals really have outdone themselves this year. Public Safety Minister Dominic LeBlanc says they’re looking at sending guns bought back from retailers and distributors — and presumably, eventually, from individuals — to Ukraine, to help its brave soldiers fend off the Russian menace?

We are to believe that after nine years of Liberal governance it is legal to sell and own useful weapons of war in Canada. That doesn’t just seem unlikely: The standard-issue rifle for the Ukrainian army is the AK-74, which has long been prohibited in Canada.

It should also sound to the city folk the Liberals are courting like a colossal failure of gun control.

But I’m sure the idea earned whoever came up with it many high-fives around the strategy table. Not only will they lure Conservatives into supporting gun-owners’ rights, they’ll lure them into revealing their sympathies for Russia. Vote Liberal or vote for Putin, basically. It almost certainly won’t move the needle; polls suggest Canadians don’t even want free money from the Liberals anymore. And the party will find itself in an even deeper pit of ignominy.
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Thursday’s order-in-council added 324 new firearms to the government’s list of prohibited weapons, but with an amnesty period that’ll outlive the current government by well over a week, licenced firearms owners are now content to sit and wait.
The amnesty period for Thursday’s new prohibitions will expire on Oct. 30, 2025 — 10 days after the deadline for Canada’s next federal election, one that poll numbers and cratering government support suggest the Trudeau Liberals will handily lose.
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“The government has not worked with gun owners or made sincere effort to bring them on board, even though they are the main stakeholders.”
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Gary Mauser, professor emeritus at Simon Fraser University and senior fellow at the Fraser Institute, agreed.
“Gun owners know the current amnesty period hasn’t changed so they don’t worry about police raiding their homes to collect the newly-banned possessions that they purchased and use legally,” he said.

“They know that the Liberals are still trying to figure out how to collect the hundreds of thousands of guns they’ve already banned — the police won’t do it unless they get a massive increase in their budget. Canada Post simply isn’t able to do it;, their substations aren’t secure enough, nor are their employees adequately trained or even bonded.”
Now there's the new & preferred weapon called the Byrna which is legal in all 50 states & in Canada. While it protects you from an assailant, it's not a weapon that kills. I'm thinking of getting one b'cuz if things don't change soon, we'll all be in trouble & in need of protection. We'll eventually need to depend on ourselves.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Now there's the new & preferred weapon called the Byrna which is legal in all 50 states & in Canada. While it protects you from an assailant, it's not a weapon that kills. I'm thinking of getting one b'cuz if things don't change soon, we'll all be in trouble & in need of protection. We'll eventually need to depend on ourselves.
I’ve seen the ads and watched the YouTube video. It looks interesting, but…. We have such weird rules in Canada…. That I would do some homework before you bought one.

We can’t own a firearm if it’s personal defence, and you can’t own pepper spray if it’s designed to be used on humans…& this kind of crosses the two of them together like a paintball gun… do your homework and don’t just trust the ad that says it’s legal everywhere.
 
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Not condoning violence of any type but that mystery shooter has done a good job of evading capture. They will get him or her sooner than later.

Was the shooter just a person or a hired professional?
 

Ron in Regina

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Not condoning violence of any type but that mystery shooter has done a good job of evading capture. They will get him or her sooner than later.

Was the shooter just a person or a hired professional?
No idea, but if you’re talking about that shooter in New York City, & by the time you have words engraved on shell casings with a message on them….?…. I don’t know.
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The NYPD is investigating the possible message — which appears to include the words “deny,” “depose” and “defend” — engraved on live rounds and shell casings left behind by the masked assassin after he shot Thompson, 50, several times at about 6:46 a.m. before fleeing, the sources said.

The words are possible attacks on the health insurance industry, in which Thompson is one of the most powerful leaders — and strikingly similar to a 2010 book condemning the business.
 

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I’ve seen the ads and watched the YouTube video. It looks interesting, but…. We have such weird rules in Canada…. That I would do some homework before you bought one.

We can’t own a firearm if it’s personal defence, and you can’t own pepper spray if it’s designed to be used on humans…& this kind of crosses the two of them together like a paintball gun… do your homework and don’t just trust the ad that says it’s legal everywhere.
Well, I did read somewhere (now of course, I can't remember) but it did say it was legal in Canada. But you're right. One must do their due diligence!!
 
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Ron in Regina

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Assault rifles are already illegal in Canada, and have been for quite some time. An actual assault rifle generally comes with automatic firing and a large-capacity magazine – neither of which are allowed. Long before Justin Trudeau ever became prime minister, rifles were limited to five rounds or less and could only have semi-automatic capability (the gun fires once with each trigger pull).

Which is why the Trudeau government instead adopted the term “assault-style,” which they officially defined in their C-21 gun control bill. Under that definition, an “assault-style” rifle is a semi-automatic rifle that uses “centre-fire” ammunition, was “designed and manufactured” after 2023, and was originally designed to hold large-capacity magazines.

Although the Trudeau government has claimed that all of the newly banned guns were chosen based on “assault-style” criteria, even a cursory examination of the list shows that not to be true.
This ban was likely timed to coincide with the anniversary of the 1989 Montreal Massacre, which saw 14 women murdered with a legally acquired Ruger Mini-14. The Mini-14 was covered by an earlier Trudeau government ban in 2020, although — like many of the guns above — you can still find legal firearms that are just as deadly in terms of calibre and rate of fire.

But the new ban also coincides with police organizations saying rather explicitly that prior Trudeau government gun bans are not working. Both the Toronto Police Association and the Surrey Police Union issued public statements in October criticizing the Trudeau government’s “freeze” on the sale or transfer of handguns, noting that gun crime has skyrocketed in the two years since.

Why? Basically all of Canada’s crime guns are now coming in illegally via the United States, and are thus unaffected by regulatory changes to legal gun ownership.
 

petros

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Assault rifles are already illegal in Canada, and have been for quite some time. An actual assault rifle generally comes with automatic firing and a large-capacity magazine – neither of which are allowed. Long before Justin Trudeau ever became prime minister, rifles were limited to five rounds or less and could only have semi-automatic capability (the gun fires once with each trigger pull).

Which is why the Trudeau government instead adopted the term “assault-style,” which they officially defined in their C-21 gun control bill. Under that definition, an “assault-style” rifle is a semi-automatic rifle that uses “centre-fire” ammunition, was “designed and manufactured” after 2023, and was originally designed to hold large-capacity magazines.

Although the Trudeau government has claimed that all of the newly banned guns were chosen based on “assault-style” criteria, even a cursory examination of the list shows that not to be true.
This ban was likely timed to coincide with the anniversary of the 1989 Montreal Massacre, which saw 14 women murdered with a legally acquired Ruger Mini-14. The Mini-14 was covered by an earlier Trudeau government ban in 2020, although — like many of the guns above — you can still find legal firearms that are just as deadly in terms of calibre and rate of fire.

But the new ban also coincides with police organizations saying rather explicitly that prior Trudeau government gun bans are not working. Both the Toronto Police Association and the Surrey Police Union issued public statements in October criticizing the Trudeau government’s “freeze” on the sale or transfer of handguns, noting that gun crime has skyrocketed in the two years since.

Why? Basically all of Canada’s crime guns are now coming in illegally via the United States, and are thus unaffected by regulatory changes to legal gun ownership.
Nobody ever said unfounded fears lead to rational reactions.

They painted themselves into a corner by making it a sin to identify race based gangs and cultures of violence as race based and cultural.
 

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The newest "Ban" to come down from the Feds happened.

It was absolutely fucking stupid.

Yep, it was absolutely one of the most preformative, dumbest moves from the Feds this late fall.

It does NOTHING to address the real issue in Canada over the gun issue.

Trudeau just added another feather to his "not gonna have a chance in hell of getting elected" cap.
 

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The newest "Ban" to come down from the Feds happened.

It was absolutely fucking stupid.

Yep, it was absolutely one of the most preformative, dumbest moves from the Feds this late fall.

It does NOTHING to address the real issue in Canada over the gun issue.

Trudeau just added another feather to his "not gonna have a chance in hell of getting elected" cap.
Yes. I got the email about my guns. Now I have to go through them and see what is what I guess.

What a mess.

Trudeau is like a tyrant by virtual signaling.