Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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If they don't care about your rights, they won't care about how rediculous they sound to you. There is really just one thing left for you to do, vote for someone else in the next election.
TRUE DAT!!!!!!!!!!
Consider this LIE-beral madness:::::
Oh nice - the Ontari-owe Parole Board has just released its idiot reasons for releasing Rohinie Bisesar back into the community and they are NONSENSE!
Bisesar is the Muslim woman who suffers badly from Schizophrenia and in 2015 while deeply confused and acting on “orders” from voices in her head - she stabbed a random stranger to death in the Toronto subway system!
She has been undergoing treatment for the past few years since she was found “Not guilty by reason of insanity” and of course she wants to be let back out of the NUT HOUSE where she is being held!
Naturally, the parole board is delighted to assist her and have allowed her to apply to a halfway house that does offer some daytime supervision - but DOES NOT offer 24 hour watchers!
This lack of full time supervision is SIGNIFICANT since Bisesar is following the STANDARD Schizophrenia play book and is quite RELUCTANT to take her medication! Schizophrenia sufferers are notorious for frequently skipping meds due in part to the unpleasant side effects of such needed drugs! And once the lowered dose of medication has its effect - Schizophrenia sufferers reach a state of mind where they OUTRIGHT REFUSE to take more drugs - as a side effect of their insanity - they do not usually trust a doctor or the prescribed meds!
The parole board acknowledges in writing that Bisesar will quickly return to her psychotic and DANGEROUS former state if she stops taking her meds as prescribed - an the board admits that such medical backsliding is COMMON with Schizophrenia sufferers yet the board is blithely willing to allow Bisesar back into the community in spite of the lack of real supervision for the PROVEN DANGEROUS woman!
Of course the risk being run really only falls on the public! It is highly UNLIKELY that the parole board will suffer anything other than a BRIEF period of embarrassment of Bisesar ends up stabbing somebody else! It is not as if the parole board will be FIRED from their cushy gig if they guess wrong and somebody gets stabbed! Nor will they even have their pay docked for making a STUPID GUESS!
Being civil service union HOGS with MANY ENTITLEMENTS AND NO RESPONSIBILITIES - the parole board HOGS will expect their usual YEARLY PAY INCREASES no matter what mayhem and spilled blood a relapsed Bisesar may leave in her wake after being released!
We DO HAVE ample evidence to prove that Schizophrenia is easily controlled by the available array of drugs - its just that the nature of the disease and the stigma so often attached seem to lure so MANY sufferers into careless handling of meds with the result that the sufferer relapses - and as we have seen - when Bisesar becomes confused - PEOPLE DIE!
Even worse - the cost of such psycho tropic drugs is high and patients out in the world must personally pay for much of the price tag and often struggle to do so on modest incomes - with the result that even patients who WANT to take meds as prescribed sometimes CAN NOT due to cost limitations!
Daily supervision to ensure Bisesar takes her meds is clearly needed - yet LIE-berals BALK at forcing onerous conditions on potentially dangerous mental patients!
LIE-berals fret far more about pinching THEIR PENNIES than they do about public safety!
In 2014, Justin Trudeau criticized Bill C-42 by saying
Clearly, Justin Trudeau believes that he knows better than the experts.
May 18 Written By Neil McKenzie-Sutter
Everyone finds the recent Nova Scotia shooting disturbing and tragic, but we should all also really find the new ‘Assault-Style’ weapons ban disturbing, although for different reasons.
Even if you were in favour of fewer gun rights or wanted more, reasonable people reading the new ‘Assault-Style’ weapons ban should have some alarms going off because it’s seriously badly written, illogical on different levels, and is overall blatantly contradictory.
Here are four reasons proving my point:
#1: The ban doesn’t address the greatest concern highlighted by the Nova Scotia shooting: blackmarket firearms
It’s now clear the Nova Scotia shooter illegally obtained most of his firearms from the United States and the then-current Canadian firearms laws functioned correctly and didn’t need rewriting, i.e. the shooter was correctly identified as a menace to society.
However, the glaring issue of Blackmarket firearms made obvious by the shooting remains unaddressed by Trudeau’s Liberals.
The threats of illegal gun trafficking and homemade/semi-homemade weapons in Canada have been growing for years, and if the government had responded to the recent shooting by confronting the Blackmarket firearms trade, I’d be completely on board.
Instead, all we got was a ban restricting legal firearms, which will do nothing to stop the next Nova Scotia-type mass killing; again, because most of the shooter’s guns were illegally obtained. This fact alone makes the idea of banning weapons to address the Nova Scotia killings idiotic.
#2: It prohibits bolt-action rifles and some shotguns; hunting weapons, not ‘Assault-Style' weapons
The Honourable Minister of Public Safety Bill Blair recently claimed the new ban doesn’t prohibit 10-12 gauge shotguns, but this is incorrect.
While not banning all shotguns, it does prohibit firearms with a 20mm+ bore and for you gun-illiterates (I include myself in that group), the bore is the interior diameter of a gun’s barrel.
Many 10-12 gauge shotguns made for hunting do indeed have a bore of 20+mm, so the ban effectively makes these illegal and the Honourable Mr. Blair is incorrect to state otherwise.
Also banned are a number of bolt-action rifles, again, for the understanding of gun-noobs, bolt-action guns must be reloaded after each firing, with no self-loading capability.
One of the more ridiculous parts of the new ban is that this term: ‘assault weapon/rifle’ has no established legal definition, making it slippery to codify in law, although loose characteristics people have in mind when they think of ‘Assault’ rifles is self-loading/feeding, and capable of semi/full-automatic fire.
Bolt-action rifles and shotguns have neither of these capabilities, so why are they in the ‘Assault-Style’ weapons ban? The answer is the ban was badly thought out and is dumb.
#3: It doesn’t completely ban ‘Assault-Style’ rifles
In justifying the ban, PM Trudeau said there’s “no use and no place for such weapons in Canadian society,” but the ban actually excludes numerous ‘assault-style/military-grade assault rifles,’ and some of these models are popular in Canada.
Is there anything dumber or more symbolic of a failed law than one that doesn’t accomplish what it says it does? Because that’s this ban. It is all for the appearance of being ‘woke’ on gun control by mass banning a large sounding number of rifles, and on top of not making Canadians any more safe, it doesn’t even make sense from a gun control perspective.
#4: It was made law without parliamentary review, and reads like it
Trudeau didn’t follow the normal parliamentary process when he made the ban into law, instead of using the Order in Council method.
Trudeau currently heads a minority government, so he doesn’t have the mandate to magnanimously make laws. The only reason he got away with it this time is that parliament has been temporarily disbanded due to COVID-19.
But why is this point on a list of dumb things about the gun ban though? Isn’t this a legal/parliamentary procedure issue? Well, there was actually a good reason Trudeau’s Liberals should’ve brought the ban before Parliament.
One benefit of having a Parliamentary democracy is the debating process: where new laws get vetted by representatives and combed meticulously for errors, and the Liberals would have benefitted from that process here. The ban is confusing, horribly written, and edited. It wasn’t just amoral for Trudeau to dodge the democratic process - it was also dumb.
We are still today trying to figure out what is and is not banned as the RCMP have released statements attempting to clarify why certain firearms were banned based on increasingly arbitrary details in the designs of individual firearms.
All this confusion and needless expense for something that accomplishes nothing. Sounds dumb to me.
Everyone finds the recent Nova Scotia shooting disturbing and tragic, but we should all also really find the new ‘Assault-Style’ weapons ban disturbing, although for different reasons.
Even if you were in favour of fewer gun rights or wanted more, reasonable people reading the new ‘Assault-Style’ weapons ban should have some alarms going off because it’s seriously badly written, illogical on different levels, and is overall blatantly contradictory.
Here are four reasons proving my point:
#1: The ban doesn’t address the greatest concern highlighted by the Nova Scotia shooting: blackmarket firearms
It’s now clear the Nova Scotia shooter illegally obtained most of his firearms from the United States and the then-current Canadian firearms laws functioned correctly and didn’t need rewriting, i.e. the shooter was correctly identified as a menace to society.
However, the glaring issue of Blackmarket firearms made obvious by the shooting remains unaddressed by Trudeau’s Liberals.
The threats of illegal gun trafficking and homemade/semi-homemade weapons in Canada have been growing for years, and if the government had responded to the recent shooting by confronting the Blackmarket firearms trade, I’d be completely on board.
Instead, all we got was a ban restricting legal firearms, which will do nothing to stop the next Nova Scotia-type mass killing; again, because most of the shooter’s guns were illegally obtained. This fact alone makes the idea of banning weapons to address the Nova Scotia killings idiotic.
#2: It prohibits bolt-action rifles and some shotguns; hunting weapons, not ‘Assault-Style' weapons
The Honourable Minister of Public Safety Bill Blair recently claimed the new ban doesn’t prohibit 10-12 gauge shotguns, but this is incorrect.
While not banning all shotguns, it does prohibit firearms with a 20mm+ bore and for you gun-illiterates (I include myself in that group), the bore is the interior diameter of a gun’s barrel.
Many 10-12 gauge shotguns made for hunting do indeed have a bore of 20+mm, so the ban effectively makes these illegal and the Honourable Mr. Blair is incorrect to state otherwise.
Also banned are a number of bolt-action rifles, again, for the understanding of gun-noobs, bolt-action guns must be reloaded after each firing, with no self-loading capability.
One of the more ridiculous parts of the new ban is that this term: ‘assault weapon/rifle’ has no established legal definition, making it slippery to codify in law, although loose characteristics people have in mind when they think of ‘Assault’ rifles is self-loading/feeding, and capable of semi/full-automatic fire.
Bolt-action rifles and shotguns have neither of these capabilities, so why are they in the ‘Assault-Style’ weapons ban? The answer is the ban was badly thought out and is dumb.
#3: It doesn’t completely ban ‘Assault-Style’ rifles
In justifying the ban, PM Trudeau said there’s “no use and no place for such weapons in Canadian society,” but the ban actually excludes numerous ‘assault-style/military-grade assault rifles,’ and some of these models are popular in Canada.
Is there anything dumber or more symbolic of a failed law than one that doesn’t accomplish what it says it does? Because that’s this ban. It is all for the appearance of being ‘woke’ on gun control by mass banning a large sounding number of rifles, and on top of not making Canadians any more safe, it doesn’t even make sense from a gun control perspective.
#4: It was made law without parliamentary review, and reads like it
Trudeau didn’t follow the normal parliamentary process when he made the ban into law, instead of using the Order in Council method.
Trudeau currently heads a minority government, so he doesn’t have the mandate to magnanimously make laws. The only reason he got away with it this time is that parliament has been temporarily disbanded due to COVID-19.
But why is this point on a list of dumb things about the gun ban though? Isn’t this a legal/parliamentary procedure issue? Well, there was actually a good reason Trudeau’s Liberals should’ve brought the ban before Parliament.
One benefit of having a Parliamentary democracy is the debating process: where new laws get vetted by representatives and combed meticulously for errors, and the Liberals would have benefitted from that process here. The ban is confusing, horribly written, and edited. It wasn’t just amoral for Trudeau to dodge the democratic process - it was also dumb.
We are still today trying to figure out what is and is not banned as the RCMP have released statements attempting to clarify why certain firearms were banned based on increasingly arbitrary details in the designs of individual firearms.
All this confusion and needless expense for something that accomplishes nothing. Sounds dumb to me.
TRUE DAT Bondo!
Our idiot Boy Justin and his loser LIE-berals are the worst thing ever to be elected in Canada!
LIE-beral govt is one LONG LITANY of waste and excess and endless shameless costly vote buying!
LIE-berals have spent YEARS figuring the best ways to try to RIG our elections with "vouching" that lets civil service union HOGS
decide for them selves if ANONYMOUS STRANGERS may be permitted to cast ballots in critical swing ridings where winners and
losers are separated by only a FEW CRITICAL VOTES!
Our idiot Boy has sought to paralyze our Parliament with his electoral reform CRAP that would splinter our Parliament into a messy
series of one issue lunatic fringe groups - to produce exactly the sort of political CHAOS as exists in Bankrupt Italy!
Our idiot Boy is excited about proportional representation that will further splinter our Parliament and it is NOT A COINCIDENCE
that any country that has tried proportional representation either sinks swiftly into bankruptcy as in Italy or switches BACK to our
"First past the post" style as they did in New Zealand!
Israel is also using proportional representation and many people there would LIKE TO DUMP IT - but the assorted LUNATIC
FRINGE RADICAL POLITICAL PARTIES have -so far - had enough power to kill any such proposal!
The ONLY THING that permits Israel to make proportional representation roughly function is the fact that the nation is
SURROUNDED BY ENEMIES who wish to destroy the country and thus Israelis MUST COOPERATE OR DIE!
A country like Canada - with so many ENTITLED MINORITIES - many of whom are already literally AT ECONOMIC WAR
with other sections of the population would SWIFTLY degenerate into chaos under proportional representation!
But then Aspiring Soviet Socialist Dictators like Our idiot Boy ALWAYS SEE PERSONAL OPPORTUNITY
and a chance to grab undue powers in such political chaos!
The CBC has been GOBBLING GREAT GOBS OF LIE-beral supplied GOVT GRAVY for decades - while DELIBERATELY
CENSORING VIEWS HOSTILE TO LIE-berals!
Censorship is an ESSENTIAL SURVIVAL TOOL for LIE-berals!
LIE-beral censorship has become SO EXTREME that it has even INFECTED OUR ENTIRE SCHOOL SYSTEM!
From first to last - one MUST TOE THE PARTY LINE or risk being FIRED from the teaching job!
The university student is increasingly exposed to SOVIET SOCIALIST interpretations if history and we have only to think of the
FATE of Lindsey Shepard at Laurier U. to see how ANY dissenting view will be attacked - and the student who asks
the WRONG QUESTIONS will NOT reach graduate status!
Ask the wrong questions of the Soviet Socialist union HOGS running our education system and your future WILL BE BLIGHTED!
LIE-berals have been working HARD FOR DECADES to raise a perfectly INDOCTRINATED BODY of future citizens
and OBEDIENT CASH COWS!
Is it not IRONIC that LIE-berals want us to be smart enough to be useful - but NOT SO SMART as to see through
that NASTY LIE-beral propaganda!
https://www.ourcommons.ca/about/OurProcedure/DebateandVoting/c_g_debatevoting-e.htm
DEBATE, VOTING AND DECORUM
A quick reminder of how our government is supposed to work.
DEBATE, VOTING AND DECORUM
A quick reminder of how our government is supposed to work.
#1: The ban doesn’t address the greatest concern highlighted by the Nova Scotia shooting: blackmarket firearms
Having fewer legal weapons will reduce the number of illegal weapons. That is simply axiomatic - meaning it explains itself
All illegal weapons are legal when they are made.
#2: It prohibits bolt-action rifles and some shotguns; hunting weapons, not ‘Assault-Style' weapons
The ban defines which weapons are banned.
Not a difficult concept.
This entire mania about "defining assault wepaons" is all about being able to side step a regulation based on a technicality.
They look at every gun that they receive tax money for allowing the sale of - if they deem it banned it is banned. There are many things that government of Canada has no business allowing and profiting from the sale of - assault weapons being one of them
End of story.
#3: It doesn’t completely ban ‘Assault-Style’ rifles
Again the mania about a definition in order to side step a regulation.
It won't work this time - thanks to long experience with this sort of legislation and the usual resistance to it.
If there are guns that should be banned and are not - perhaps they will be on review.
#4: It was made law without parliamentary review, and reads like it
The law was made in order to fulfill an election promise and with massive public support and frankly as a lead in to the banning of handguns and possibly all guns.
It will be reviewed until the cows come home.Rest assured.
Having fewer legal weapons will reduce the number of illegal weapons. That is simply axiomatic - meaning it explains itself
All illegal weapons are legal when they are made.
#2: It prohibits bolt-action rifles and some shotguns; hunting weapons, not ‘Assault-Style' weapons
The ban defines which weapons are banned.
Not a difficult concept.
This entire mania about "defining assault wepaons" is all about being able to side step a regulation based on a technicality.
They look at every gun that they receive tax money for allowing the sale of - if they deem it banned it is banned. There are many things that government of Canada has no business allowing and profiting from the sale of - assault weapons being one of them
End of story.
#3: It doesn’t completely ban ‘Assault-Style’ rifles
Again the mania about a definition in order to side step a regulation.
It won't work this time - thanks to long experience with this sort of legislation and the usual resistance to it.
If there are guns that should be banned and are not - perhaps they will be on review.
#4: It was made law without parliamentary review, and reads like it
The law was made in order to fulfill an election promise and with massive public support and frankly as a lead in to the banning of handguns and possibly all guns.
It will be reviewed until the cows come home.Rest assured.
Yes......hemerHOID really is something NASTY isnt he!
His comments are so twisted he could open a wine bottle with his tongue!
And his claim that there will be less illegal guns in Canada - if there are also less legal guns
is straight out of the LIE-beral Fake News book!
LIE-berals have LONG TRIED to pretend that LEGAL Cdn guns are being used in crimes!
That LIE is exposed every time cops trace a serial number of a crime scene gun!
Imagine the level of INSANITY one must work with to believe - and try to convince others as well
that banning legal guns from being sold in Canada will somehow prevent illegal guns from being smuggled into Canada
FROM THAT FOREIGN COUNTRY - UNITED STATES!
HemerHOID is a deliberate LIE-beral insult to us all!
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid#1: The ban doesn’t address the greatest concern highlighted by the Nova Scotia shooting: blackmarket firearms
Right. It will lower the number of legal weapons out there...........and increase the number of illegal weapons by tens, if not hundreds of thousands. People are NOT going to turn in a lot of unregistered firearms simply because the gov't says so. That was demonstrated in 1995. In the late 1970s the Liberal gov't concluded there were 18 million guns in Canada. In 2002, there were 7 million registered. Do the math. You REALLY think this is going to be any different? The Liberals just proved our point. Never register, as the only thing registration is good for is gov't seizure.
Dimwit. Is a bolt action firearm an "assault weapon"?
Is a .22 rimfire rifle an "assault weapon"?
Is a single shot shotgun an "assault weapon"?
Is a double rifle made over 100 years ago an "assault weapon"?
Are you a complete and absolute moron?
YES! is the correct answer to one, and only one of the questions above
Idiot. Of course the law needs to be well-defined. Only a fascist dickhead like yourself would think "law is good, peasants knowing what the law means is bad"
Thus fully validating your credentials as a fascist. "The peasants don't require democratic representation of due political process. Justin is the Philosopher King!" Here's a Poly Sci 101 fact for you..........the gov't doesn't make laws, Parliament makes laws. In a democracy, anyway. I know, you hate democracy. It shows.
You clearly haven't been reading and listening to the posts on this thread.
In a four year period in Canada, the total number of legal firearms doubled. yet the violent crime related to illegal guns decreased by 50% in the same 4 year period.
Hoid, sorry to burst your bubble but more guns does not mean more crime.
Not the least surprised that Angus Reid had a captive group for the survey nor that they used a rifle that was already banned - that's just the way they do things these days. They cannot be trusted to do a proper survey anymore than the liberals can be trusted to actually go after the gangs and their illegal weapons.
"The Oakes test is a legal test created by the Supreme Court of Canada in the case R v Oakes (1986). R v Oakes provided the Court with the opportunity to interpret the wording of section 1 of the Charter and to explain how section 1 would apply to a case. The result was the Oakes test – a test that is used every time a Charter violation is found. Section 1 of the Charter is often referred to as the “reasonable limits clause” because it is the section that can be used to justify a limitation on a person’s Charter rights. Charter rights are not absolute and can be infringed if the Courts determine that the infringement is reasonably justified."
Thanks for that JB.
"the principle which precludes a person from asserting something contrary to what is implied by a previous action or statement of that person or by a previous pertinent judicial determination."