Gun Control is Completely Useless.

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Eighth-grade boy arrested, suspended over NRA 'Protect your right' T-shirt





Jared Marcum, an eighth-grade boy attending Logan Middle School in Logan, W.Va., was arrested and suspended after wearing a pro-NRA T-shirt that depicted a firearm and the phrase "Protect your right" to school, WOWK-TV reported Thursday.

"I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this, there shouldn't be a problem with this," Marcum said.

Logan City Police confirmed the arrest, and said Marcum was charged with "obstruction and disturbing the education process," WOWK said.


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bluebyrd35 said:
What the hell is your problem. ??
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People like you that make stuff up, talk out their ***, then get all uppity and insulting when caught.

Invisible friends??
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You said you were in the company of people of your kind.

The only idiocy that comes across very clearly is that you have a big problem with someone who is willing and able to defend their point of view..
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That's not true. I never have problems with people who simply defend their point of view.

But that isn't what you do.

It is easier to denigrate rather than present a reasoned rebutal ...
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I tried that route, you proved early on that you are here for reasoned discussion.

...but hey that has been clear since the beginning of this thread.
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Actually you made it perfectly clear when you made all sorts of idiotic posts about Prescott Bush, despite being walked slowly through the facts.

Did you know that 90 plus Americans want a better form of gun control?? Do you know that...yes, countries at war and those under developed ones do beat the US's stats on gun deaths & mutilations....BUT that is NOT something to boast about!!
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Maybe, but that's not all you've said here.

You are great at personal insults but as for logical thinking or responses, go, you do not even make the lowest percentile.
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I've managed to prove you are either wrong or lying on many occasions though, lol.

As P.Trudeau used to say Fuddle Duddle!! I'm done with you and your one line nonsense.
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Forget to take you meds?
 
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Locutus said:
Eighth-grade boy arrested, suspended over NRA 'Protect your right' T-shirt





Jared Marcum, an eighth-grade boy attending Logan Middle School in Logan, W.Va., was arrested and suspended after wearing a pro-NRA T-shirt that depicted a firearm and the phrase "Protect your right" to school, WOWK-TV reported Thursday.

"I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this, there shouldn't be a problem with this," Marcum said.

Logan City Police confirmed the arrest, and said Marcum was charged with "obstruction and disturbing the education process," WOWK said.


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These cops obviously never heard of the first amendment, not to mention the second.

I'm not surprised the teachers hadn't.......
 
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I'm curious about what the school objects to. Was it the NRA or the picture? would a Cabelas T-shirt, with a shotgun on it, be restricted as well?
 
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I think a couple people have been missing a few points.
A big one is one that Cobalt brought up all by himself: the fact that the UK cracked down heavily on firearms and brought about a fairly decent reduction in gun violence. The problem with that is that it resulted in the large increase in knifing deaths and violence. So the "logical" step to remedy that is to crack down heavily on sharp instruments, right? And don't bother attacking the real problem: violent people and their reasons for being violent.
Japan? Also has extremely rigid controls on firearms, yet according to a 2012 article on a report in Nihon Keizai: "Japan had the highest number of murders, armed robberies and other violent crimes during the first six months of this year since it began keeping such data in 1989, the Nihon Keizai newspaper said, citing a police report. The rate of arrests fell to their lowest level ever, it said.

A total of 11,304 such crimes were reported during the period. That's an increase of 17 percent from the same period the year before, the newspaper said. The rate of arrests fell below 50 percent for the first time to 49 percent.

The number of robberies rose 25 percent to 3,919, while cases of homicide increased 12 percent to 735, the report said. There was also a 10 percent increase in reported rape cases. The number of murders and arsons committed by juveniles increased 87 percent to 131, according to the newspaper.

A total of 945 elementary school students became victims of sex crimes, up 46 percent. The number of cases involving all types of crimes fell 0.9 percent to 12,574, the first such decline on a half-year basis in eight years, the report said."

People seem to insist on attacking "symptoms" instead of "diseases". Not terribly bright, IMO.
 
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Non of the guns found in the possession of the Boston bombers were registered!!

So much for gun registration !!

Criminals don't follow the laws of the land.....duh !!!
 
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Durry said:
Non of the guns found in the possession of the Boston bombers were registered!!

So much for gun registration !!

Criminals don't follow the laws of the land.....duh !!!
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Then why do we have laws against murder? People still get murdered, so obviously the laws don't work.
 
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In some of the reading I've been doing it's becoming clear how complex an issue gun control is, especially in the US.

You can't claim that gun ownership isn't an effective deterrent to crime, over 600,000 Americas used firearms for self defence in the year the book was written alone. That doesn't mean they fired their weapons necessarily, they used them to deter someone from robbing, raping or murdering them. There's about 60 million handguns in the US and in total over 200 million firearms, which makes claims about America being a violent society kind of inaccurate, just a tiny proportion of gun owners use them for violence each year, which supports some of the claims made here.

Gun laws across the country are complex and in places like New Jersey you can have your firearms confiscated if for instance you stop for coffee while on the way to or from the field or range with hollow point shotgun ammunition. There are laws at the federal, state, county and municipal level.

I think the sensible approach would be to find some way to streamline the laws so that legitimate gun owners retain their weapons, the kind of weapons that end up on the streets are controlled and more responsibility is taught on gun safety, for instance regarding all the suicides by firearms, make sure that gun owners know how to keep weapons out of the hands of teenage children who are in a high risk group for suicide.

There's a lot of things that could be done to make gun laws more practical in the US and still allow the legitimate gun owners their rights. I don't think any simple ban on any one class of guns is going to do much, any effective plan is going to have to take a systematic approach and the NRA could be a good ally in forming and applying sensible gun laws, especially in areas like gun safety.
 
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Cobalt_Kid said:
In some of the reading I've been doing it's becoming clear how complex an issue gun control is, especially in the US.

You can't claim that gun ownership isn't an effective deterrent to crime, over 600,000 Americas used firearms for self defence in the year the book was written alone. That doesn't mean they fired their weapons necessarily, they used them to deter someone from robbing, raping or murdering them. There's about 60 million handguns in the US and in total over 200 million firearms, which makes claims about America being a violent society kind of inaccurate, just a tiny proportion of gun owners use them for violence each year, which supports some of the claims made here.

Gun laws across the country are complex and in places like New Jersey you can have your firearms confiscated if for instance you stop for coffee while on the way to or from the field or range with hollow point shotgun ammunition. There are laws at the federal, state, county and municipal level.

I think the sensible approach would be to find some way to streamline the laws so that legitimate gun owners retain their weapons, the kind of weapons that end up on the streets are controlled and more responsibility is taught on gun safety, for instance regarding all the suicides by firearms, make sure that gun owners know how to keep weapons out of the hands of teenage children who are in a high risk group for suicide.

There's a lot of things that could be done to make gun laws more practical in the US and still allow the legitimate gun owners their rights. I don't think any simple ban on any one class of guns is going to do much, any effective plan is going to have to take a systematic approach and the NRA could be a good ally in forming and applying sensible gun laws, especially in areas like gun safety.
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I heard that it was 400 million firearms
 
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Cliffy said:
That can't be right. That is not even one gun for every person. I thought all Americans were armed to the teeth and shoot at each other for the slightest provocation. It must be more like 800 million.
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I wouldn't expect anywhere close to one gun per person. I'd guess 50% of the population don't own any guns.
 
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Cliffy said:
That can't be right. That is not even one gun for every person. I thought all Americans were armed to the teeth and shoot at each other for the slightest provocation. It must be more like 800 million.
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I know you're kidding, but gun ownership in the U.S. ranges from a high of 60% in Montana to a low of 13% in Rhode Island. Just FYI.
 
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JLM said:
I wouldn't expect anywhere close to one gun per person. I'd guess 50% of the population don't own any guns.
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80 homes per 100 have them, and when you how many have more than 1 it works out to be more than 1 per person. Although, 1 per person is not how it is distibuted
 
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JamesBondo said:
80 homes per 100 have them, and when you how many have more than 1 it works out to be more than 1 per person. Although, 1 per person is not how it is distibuted
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Ya, I just can't imagine a toddler with an Uzi or a 357 Mag (unless it is like Tennessee or Kentucky).
 
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