Gun Control is Completely Useless.

JamesBondo

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Right, so if the gun industry and its allies in the NRA are creating a threat to peoples rights by introducing harmful weapons into US society then the people should be able to change laws to protect themselves..

Are you aware of the most effective law for enabling the people to protect themselves? Conceal and Carry.

The 2nd Amendment as written starts by declaring the intent was the security of the state through the right to have armed militias. As that's obviously no longer the situation with the large US standing military the issue now becomes one of public safety and the threat posed by constant chronic gun violence.
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. It is uncanny, but you seem to have responded to my post with the exact misinformation that I was correcting.
 

Cobalt_Kid

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Are you aware of the most effective law for enabling the people to protect themselves? Conceal and Carry.

Yes, I know people including my step-dad in Washington state who legally carry concealed handguns.

I'm not ideologically committed to any position, all I really know for sure is thousands of Americans die each year from gun violence and there's got to be a better way to deal with the issue than what's been going on for too long.
 

JamesBondo

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Yes, I know people including my step-dad in Washington state who legally carry concealed handguns.

I'm not ideologically committed to any position, all I really know for sure is thousands of Americans die each year from gun violence and there's got to be a better way to deal with the issue than what's been going on for too long.

I appreciate your concern. But the kind of laws you are suggesting in the USA were already implemented in Canada with no compelling evidence that it worked. True, Canada saw improving trends, but they improved half as fast as the USA.

Nevertheless, there is ample evidence that Canada is different than the US. Didn't you watch the boring parts of Bowling for Columbine? Moore proposed that the difference is in social policy, not gun policy.
 

bluebyrd35

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I already showed you the FBI stats.

But on your planet, who knows?? You might be correct.

Not that it has anything to do with reality on THIS planet.

Give it rest!! Are you infering the Federal Bureau of Investigation is privy to all the stats just as the Homeland Security hasn't been??..... if so, forget those stats.. There hasn't been any obligation, or funding for hospitals, local police forces, state police to report anything to the FBI, any more than a local doctor has been.. They were obliged to report to local authorities, period. This was only changed in January of this year by Obama. So suck it up and swallow it.!! There has not been a shred of accuracy in any of the stats coming out of the US on gun violence for years. That has been seen to by the Republican Party and the NRA!! By cutting off funding for those stats and only reinstating the funds on the condition that they not be used to track gun violence the gun lobby and the Republican party have successfully muffled the true stats of such violence for years.







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CDNBear

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Give it rest!! Are you infering the Federal Bureau of Investigation is privy to all the stats just as the Homeland Security hasn't been??..... if so, forget those stats.. There hasn't been any obligation, or funding for hospitals, local police forces, state police to report anything to the FBI, any more than a local doctor has been.. They were obliged to report to local authorities, period. This was only changed in January of this year by Obama. So suck it up and swallow it.!! There has not been a shred of accuracy in any of the stats coming out of the US on gun violence for years. That has been seen to by the Republican Party and the NRA!! By cutting off funding for those stats and only reinstating the funds on the condition that they not be used to report gun violence the gun lobby and the Republican party have successfully muffled the true stats of such violence for years.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
 

CDNBear

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LOL I'm in good company.
Your invisible friends embarrass themselves too?

Take a look at the stats on people approving of gun control. The NRA nor the Republican Party are able to screw with those stats.
That has what to do with the idiocy you filled your reply to Colpy, with?

It simply counts as a winning post in my eyes.
You excel at being a winner.
 

Cobalt_Kid

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I appreciate your concern. But the kind of laws you are suggesting in the USA were already implemented in Canada with no compelling evidence that it worked. True, Canada saw improving trends, but they improved half as fast as the USA.

Nevertheless, there is ample evidence that Canada is different than the US. Didn't you watch the boring parts of Bowling for Columbine? Moore proposed that the difference is in social policy, not gun policy.

Moore simplified Canadian society, I know plenty of places where people lock their doors even when they're at home.

Any solution to gun violence is probably going to involve modifying gun laws as well as dealing with underlying social issues. I don't believe that problem will magically resolve itself if certain classes of firearms are banned, I do think that there needs to be a change in how violence is viewed as method to resolve disputes in the US.
 

Colpy

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Moore simplified Canadian society, I know plenty of places where people lock their doors even when they're at home.

Any solution to gun violence is probably going to involve modifying gun laws as well as dealing with underlying social issues. I don't believe that problem will magically resolve itself if certain classes of firearms are banned, I do think that there needs to be a change in how violence is viewed as method to resolve disputes in the US.

Violence is a product of culture, not inanimate objects.
 

DaSleeper

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Moore simplified Canadian society, I know plenty of places where people lock their doors even when they're at home.

Any solution to gun violence is probably going to involve modifying gun laws as well as dealing with underlying social issues. I don't believe that problem will magically resolve itself if certain classes of firearms are banned, I do think that there needs to be a change in how violence is viewed as method to resolve disputes in the US.
I lock my door a night even when I'm at home.....not because I'm afraid of being robbed......Simply because I wouldn't want to shoot some poor drunk, who would walk in by mistake........
Breaking in might be a different matter.....
 

JamesBondo

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I like handguns, 1 hand points the gun at the criminal, the other calls the police.

Don't make me hold a rifle.
 

JamesBondo

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isn't she the idiot bitch that gave a speech on firearms safety, meanwhile she was holding a rifle as a prop......and her finger was on the trigger! LOL
 

JLM

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I lock my door a night even when I'm at home.....not because I'm afraid of being robbed......Simply because I wouldn't want to shoot some poor drunk, who would walk in by mistake........
Breaking in might be a different matter.....

I like your thinking! -:)
 

petros

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Evolution is why we need guns.



You wouldn't want ones of these loose in your neighbourhood, would you?
 

JamesBondo

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Moore simplified Canadian society, I know plenty of places where people lock their doors even when they're at home.

Any solution to gun violence is probably going to involve modifying gun laws as well as dealing with underlying social issues. I don't believe that problem will magically resolve itself if certain classes of firearms are banned, I do think that there needs to be a change in how violence is viewed as method to resolve disputes in the US.

In Canada, our gun violence has been reduced to about 127 gun deaths per year out of 30 million people. There is a strong possibility that another gun law will not meet the proportionality test ( the Oakes test)
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Gun-control overhaul is defeated in Senate

<H3 property="dc.creator">By Ed O’Keefe and Philip Rucker, </H3><H3 class="date hidden">Apr 18, 2013 01:25 AM EDT</H3><H3 property="dc.creator">The Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...#license-57eb028a-a77c-11e2-b029-8fb7e977ef71Published: April 17</H3><H3 property="dc.creator">President Obama’s ambitious effort to overhaul the nation’s gun laws in response to December’s school massacre in Connecticut suffered a resounding defeat Wednesday, when every major proposal he championed fell apart on the Senate floor.

It was a stunning collapse for gun-control advocates just four months after the deaths of 20 children and six adults in Newtown led the president and many others to believe that the political climate on guns had been altered in their favor.

The national drive for laws that might prevent another mass shooting unraveled under intense pressure from the gun rights lobby, which used regional and cultural differences among senators to prevent new firearms restrictions.

One by one, the Senate blocked or defeated proposals that would ban certain military-style assault rifles and limit the size of ammunition magazines.

But the biggest setback for the White House was the defeat of a measure to expand background checks to most gun sales. The Senate defied polls showing that nine in 10 Americans support the idea, which was designed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill.
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Next step: repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968.