Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[Tecumsehsbones]

Not everyone who gets shot dies either.

Really? Wow.

Thanks for that. I never knew.

 

[L Gilbert]

Really? Wow.

Thanks for that. I never knew.

It helps to mention it now and then.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

It helps to mention it now and then.

It certainly does. I guess all those people in Newtown survived, enit?

 

[L Gilbert]

It certainly does. I guess all those people in Newtown survived, enit?

Um, in case you've forgotten, the wingnut shot everyone multiple times and one kid something like 12 times.
If you stab someone multiple times, the likelihood of their survival also goes down logarithmically.

 

[JamesBondo]

It's harder to manufacture a gun than to make bathtub gin.

Although I would enjoy discussing how easy it is to make a firearm from supplies commonly found in a building supplies store, I don't agree with your premise that it would be necessary for criminals to manufacture their own firearms. The supply of firearms to criminals would not be impaired.

Yes, it does.

lets just agree to disagree on this one. This has been debated to death. I'm sure I could find many people that have no problem accessing illegal drugs. Their concerns are quality and legality, supply chain is generally never a concern. It is everywhere.

In China, the day before the Newtown massacre, a deranged man attacked a class of six-year-olds and their teachers. He used a knife, presumably because he couldn't get a gun. Twenty-three were wounded.

All survived.

San Antonio Texas, Two days after Newtown, a deranged man( who had just murdered his ex-gf at a nearby restaurant) walked into a movie theatre with a firearm intent on shooting as many people that he could. An off duty police officer shot him. No one was wounded.

All survived, except the deranged shooter.

My cousin is a hunter and machinist and made his own rifle which is pretty
straightforward, but beyond a lot of people without the equipment or skill

With an '80% lower' and a drill press, hobbyists in the USA are making their own AR-15s.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Really? Wow.

Thanks for that. I never knew.

Yes, a neghbour of mine, Jimmy Melvin Jr., had been shot five times on two separate occasions, doing hard time now. I arm myself for defense against him and those who he associates with. Got a problem with that?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Yes, a neghbour of mine, Jimmy Melvin Jr., had been shot five times on two separate occasions, doing hard time now. I arm myself for defense against him and those who he associates with. Got a problem with that?

Not at all.

Here, let me clarify for those who don't understand nuance, and think the only possible positions on guns are shrieking gun-banners or ay-yup rednecks.

I oppose all gun control of any sort. I think that discharged felons and any mentally ill people who have not been determined non compos mentis by a court of competent jurisdiction should be able to buy, keep, and carry any weapon they like. Automatic rifles, machine guns, grenades, rocket launchers, field pieces, anything.

I just like to play with the ideas.

 

[JLM]

Yes, a neghbour of mine, Jimmy Melvin Jr., had been shot five times on two separate occasions, doing hard time now. I arm myself for defense against him and those who he associates with. Got a problem with that?

Did a little reading up on young Jimmy, seems he's always in sh*t.-

 

[Colpy]

Not at all.

Here, let me clarify for those who don't understand nuance, and think the only possible positions on guns are shrieking gun-banners or ay-yup rednecks.

I oppose all gun control of any sort. I think that discharged felons and any mentally ill people who have not been determined non compos mentis by a court of competent jurisdiction should be able to buy, keep, and carry any weapon they like. Automatic rifles, machine guns, grenades, rocket launchers, field pieces, anything.

I just like to play with the ideas.

Sigh

Would a proposal of marriage be out of line??

It's harder to manufacture a gun than to make bathtub gin.


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Not much.

Pakistan Gun Market - YouTube

In my youth, a friend's older brother used to make .22 and .38 deringers.

The rifle the guys are making in the vid is an AK 74.........good stuff, full auto.

 

[EagleSmack]

It is folly to think that guns will not be available for those that want them even if there was a total ban on gun ownership and manufacturing in the U.S.

As I said... other countries will gladly pick up that industry.

 

[bluebyrd35]

So basically you're saying that by having so many guns and owners out there it calms people down, and that if they didn't exist we'd all be killing each other with knives, broken bottles and garrotes? I think effective social and policing efforts are a much better way to deal with violence inside a society than allowing vigilantism.

Gun ownership may result in some people acting more responsibly, but it also puts a highly efficient means of killing people in the hands of individuals who in many cases aren't capable of being responsible.

We regulate health care, medications, vehicles, food safety, construction and many other aspects of modern life and that somehow isn't necessary for tools that are so dangerous in the wrong hands?

People should be required to prove they're capable of understanding the responsibility of gun ownership before they're allowed to own and use guns, that should include gun safety courses and licencing just as we have in many other areas. This is a common welfare issue as much as an individual rights one.

I am so sorry.....I accidently pushed the thumbs down here instead of the thumbs up. Your posts are of the few that express a reasonable and sane attitude to gun regulations.

By the way the gun stats for the US, often quoted these days, are no longer funded by the US government, but by "interested parties" since 1996. It was previously done by The Centre of Health and Disease control. The Republicans cut off funding (demanded by the NRA) in 1996.

 

[JLM]

Looking at the title of the thread I think it needs amending. First as I've said ad infinitum banning guns won't solve anything. I do think there has to be some tightening up on those permitted to own guns. I think there should be restrictions for violent criminals and for people with certain types of mental conditions. But even with that very little will change, except possibly axe slayings will soar.

 

[DaSleeper]

I am so sorry.....I accidently pushed the thumbs down here instead of the thumbs up. Your posts are of the few that express a reasonable and sane attitude to gun regulations.

By the way the gun stats for the US, often quoted these days, are no longer funded by the US government, but by "interested parties" since 1996. It was previously done by The Centre of Health and Disease control. The Republicans cut off funding (demanded by the NRA) in 1996.

 

[JamesBondo]

By the way the gun stats for the US, often quoted these days, are no longer funded by the US government, but by "interested parties" since 1996. It was previously done by The Centre of Health and Disease control. The Republicans cut off funding (demanded by the NRA) in 1996.

how is that possible? I've seen stats from FBI, medical associations, universities, etc. While some stats will come from suspect sources like perhaps a university with external funding, how can you make such a blanket statement like that?

Furthermore, gun stats do not exist in a vacumm, they exist within other stats like rape, robbery, murder, recidivism of criminals, etc. Even if there is a specific policy for government not to fund gun stats, I would have to question the accuracy of a claim that says that is what they are doing.

Looking at the title of the thread I think it needs amending. First as I've said ad infinitum banning guns won't solve anything. I do think there has to be some tightening up on those permitted to own guns. I think there should be restrictions for violent criminals and for people with certain types of mental conditions. But even with that very little will change, except possibly axe slayings will soar.

Thanks for saying that. I appreciate it. I too don't have a problem with some tightening up of those permitted to own guns. But, I must stand firm on my general opinion that it won't help.

I am not convinced gun control laws in Canada have improved anything. Why? Because we were already enjoying a much lower negative affect from guns - as compared to the USA - long before we implemented our existing gun control laws.

Furthermore, if we look at the trends in Canada since we passed our gun control laws, we are experiencing a trend of improvement. However, I don't think we can rush out and declare our laws a success because the USA - with much less gun control laws - has often seen improvement at twice the rate that we have.

 

[EagleSmack]

how is that possible? I've seen stats from FBI, medical associations, universities, etc. While some stats will come from suspect sources like perhaps a university with external funding, how can you make such a blanket statement like that?

Because to them facts don't matter. As long as they get their disinformation out to the uninformed and get it to stick they have achieved what they set out to do.

 

[bluebyrd35]

how is that possible? I've seen stats from FBI, medical associations, universities, etc. While some stats will come from suspect sources like perhaps a university with external funding, how can you make such a blanket statement like that?

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Very simply........Where exactly do you think the FBI for example, would get it's stats or for that matter how accurate can those collected by universities, or medical associations possibly be without the co-operation of hospitals, doctors and morgues, all of which are not compelled to send those stats anywhere.

In fact patient confidentiality regarding the release of such information is unlawful. There is no funding available for such data except from those who have a stake in the results and just who do you suppose they are?? Further, I hardly think those and other organizations, such as universities, medical associations etc. can afford to collect such stats, especially since such stats are NO longer collected by the medical communitty.


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[CDNBear]

Very simply........Where exactly do you think the FBI for example, would get it's stats or for that matter how accurate can those collected by universities, or medical associations possibly be without the co-operation of hospitals, doctors and morgues, all of which are not compelled to send those stats anywhere.

In fact patient confidentiality regarding the release of such information is unlawful. There is no funding available for such data except from those who have a stake in the results and just who do you suppose they are?? Further, I hardly think those and other organizations, such as universities, medical associations etc. can afford to collect such stats, especially since such stats are NO longer collected by the medical communitty.


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Ya, US legislation on mandatory reporting of gun shot wounds pretty much makes your post a large load of crap.

Nothing out of the ordinary there.

 

[EagleSmack]

Ya, US legislation on mandatory reporting of gun shot wounds pretty much makes your post a large load of crap.

Nothing out of the ordinary there.

You beat me to it Bear.

If you get shot it is the law that the hospital has to call the police.

In fact patient confidentiality regarding the release of such information is unlawful.

Will you be posting any more BS today? So you're just making this up as you go eh?

 

[CDNBear]

You beat me to it Bear.

If you get shot it is the law that the hospital has to call the police.

Will you be posting any more BS today? So you're just making this up as you go eh?

It never ceases to amaze me how little bluehair actually knows.

 

[bluebyrd35]

Because to them facts don't matter. As long as they get their disinformation out to the uninformed and get it to stick they have achieved what they set out to do.

Look it up!! The real facts bear no resemblance to your beliefs.