Gun Control is Completely Useless.

skookumchuck

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No you insult people who don't agree with you.

DId you know that approx. 13% of the Canadian population is in Jail at this time. ?
And did you know that of that population 87% of those prisoners are male.

Comment?

Did you know that of the 87% you state are male, that 90+% of them are in prison because of females?
 

Cabbagesandking

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The election is the only poll that counts. The elimination of the LGR was a primary election plank of the Conservatives for years. 40% voted Conservative. Obviously, that in itself puts the lie to your claim of "massive" support for the registry.....then add to that 40% the untold numbers of NDP voters that depended on their elected NDP MPs to oppose the registry (two of whom actually did vote with the gov't), and you begin to understand that your claim is not only false, but ridiculous.

I think you had best stick to the issue of climate change, where stupidity is the conventional wisdom. You will be a guru, I predict.

If you think the right to bear arms has never been an individual right, then your reading skills are as poor as your math.

The phrase "the right of the people" is not arguable by anyone with an IQ higher than their hatsize. It appears in the US Bill of Rights.

The right is listed after the preamble states its purpose of "vindicating and asserting their ancient rights and liberties" in the English Bill of Rights.

You are making a damned fool of yourself.


Are you incapable of coherent, rational and logical argument? The above pile of non sequiturs and outright stupidity suggest that you are not.

First, kindly try to keep your bile down for long enough to explain how the election is the only Poll (survey, actually, for the Registry) that counts? It has sweet FA to do with it. The Registry is one issue among scores and all will have differing scores.

Then, the last survey done showed that 62% and I am not terribly interested in a Toronto Sun distortion.

The Right to bear Arms was a Right to defend the established order as a member of a militia. It was never a Right to carry arms for any other purpose.

I have already explained the origins in England and they are not in the English Bill of Rights as any absolute Right.

The Right of the people indicates what I said it does. It is not an inalienable individual Right - a foolish term, btw.

Why do you think that the "Right," as the proponents see it, has been extinguished in all the Common Law counties without successful challenge - except for the USA?

If you continue to sling around the idiot slurs, then I will get a little more abrasive and the same applies to taxslave.

I am rather surprised at ou raising Kopel, a notorios libertarian. There are many more reasonable thinkers on both sides. And Kopel clearly is deficient in his understandong of some of the background English thinkers and jurists.

Coke was a defender of the state and a Parliamentarian. He maintaines that the people had the Right to remove a government but never said it was through violent means.

His decisions on the Stamp Act and on another case influenced the American framers but they had already been discarded in England where Blackstone saw Parliament as sovereign and did not advocate for any Right of the people to bear Arms for other than the traditional militia purpose.

As far as the American Constitution goes, nowhere do I see any support for a Right to remove government by any means other than democratic ones. Always it is related to a militia and a militia, both organized and unorganized is for the defense of the realm not its overthrow.

Going back into antiquity, much the same applies. Tortured interpretations of meanings do not make support.
 

petros

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The Right to bear Arms was a Right to defend the established order as a member of a militia. It was never a Right to carry arms for any other purpose.
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
Where the **** do you come up with this crap?

Did you notice the comma seperating the two entities of "militia" and "the people"?

The little details are the ones that **** you over everytime aren't they?
 

L Gilbert

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So this forum is like all forums in that righties insult others. So childish.
And then some idiot comes along and totally ignores the topic just to comment on the insults.

Would be fun to know how many of them are in jail for ridiculous reason,like not paying the parking tickets.
...or toting a bag of pot around. Gotta watch out for those murderous pot smokers.

Anyway, as I keep saying, criminals don't care what laws there are, overcontrol or ban something and it will go underground, this is Canada and not the USA, Canadians are not Americans, the Gliberals implemented a useless registry on spurious grounds.
 

Colpy

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Are you incapable of coherent, rational and logical argument? The above pile of non sequiturs and outright stupidity suggest that you are not.

First, kindly try to keep your bile down for long enough to explain how the election is the only Poll (survey, actually, for the Registry) that counts? It has sweet FA to do with it. The Registry is one issue among scores and all will have differing scores.

Then, the last survey done showed that 62% and I am not terribly interested in a Toronto Sun distortion.

The Right to bear Arms was a Right to defend the established order as a member of a militia. It was never a Right to carry arms for any other purpose.

I have already explained the origins in England and they are not in the English Bill of Rights as any absolute Right.

The Right of the people indicates what I said it does. It is not an inalienable individual Right - a foolish term, btw.

Why do you think that the "Right," as the proponents see it, has been extinguished in all the Common Law counties without successful challenge - except for the USA?

If you continue to sling around the idiot slurs, then I will get a little more abrasive and the same applies to taxslave.

I am rather surprised at ou raising Kopel, a notorios libertarian. There are many more reasonable thinkers on both sides. And Kopel clearly is deficient in his understandong of some of the background English thinkers and jurists.

Coke was a defender of the state and a Parliamentarian. He maintaines that the people had the Right to remove a government but never said it was through violent means.

His decisions on the Stamp Act and on another case influenced the American framers but they had already been discarded in England where Blackstone saw Parliament as sovereign and did not advocate for any Right of the people to bear Arms for other than the traditional militia purpose.

As far as the American Constitution goes, nowhere do I see any support for a Right to remove government by any means other than democratic ones. Always it is related to a militia and a militia, both organized and unorganized is for the defense of the realm not its overthrow.

Going back into antiquity, much the same applies. Tortured interpretations of meanings do not make support.


Are you the same bloody idiot I argued with that claimed "to bear" did not mean "to carry"???

I'll tell you what, come back and argue with me after you have first learned English comprehension, and have some education in history.

Oh, BTW, the LAST survey on the long gun registry was taken among 289 elected MPs from across the country. They overwhelmingly voted against it.

Deal with it. It is called democracy.
 

Cabbagesandking

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Where the **** do you come up with this crap?

Did you notice the comma seperating the two entities of "militia" and "the people"?

The little details are the ones that **** you over everytime aren't they?

The comma is there because it is require for grammatical purposes. It does not affect the meaning only its clarity
 

Cabbagesandking

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Are you the same bloody idiot I argued with that claimed "to bear" did not mean "to carry"???

I'll tell you what, come back and argue with me after you have first learned English comprehension, and have some education in history.

Oh, BTW, the LAST survey on the long gun registry was taken among 289 elected MPs from across the country. They overwhelmingly voted against it.

Deal with it. It is called democracy.

You are beyond redemption. Hopelessly thick.

I spent a horrible night last night; dreaming that I would have to read your inane, insane posts and be doomed to having to constantly respond to your ignorance.

Clarity? Do you want clarity? I can clarify this in terms that are very clear.

Are you game?

The difference between you an colpy is that you are just a little less aggressive in pushing your density.

I had hoped that some more thoughtful posters would join in since gopher tried to turn this into a rational debate. I don't have time for the research.
 

petros

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Ban the Cabbage Sands and it's King!!!


Perphaps Scabbage doesn't know that someone in a militia is known as a soldier and soldiers will be armed by ...........neccessity.

Civilians aka "The People" are not soldiers but still are given the RIGHT to bears arms as well.


Clarity.

How do you like clarity now Scabbage?
 

Cabbagesandking

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Sorry, but commas do affect contexts.
IE
Now can we eat, Mum?
Now can we eat Mum?

And yes, "to bear" means "to carry".


Of course they do, though in many cases they do not. As with writers who don't want to know about commas. Gertrude Stein for one.

The point is that a comma doses not do what petros tries to maintain. It does not alter my interpretation of militia.

And bear does not mean to carry. Bear Arms has a military connotation. Carry is indiscriminate. And that is a huge difference that comes to the heart of the militia role.
 

Cabbagesandking

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Ban the Cabbage Sands and it's King!!!


Perphaps Scabbage doesn't know that someone in a militia is known as a soldier and soldiers will be armed by ...........neccessity.

Civilians aka "The People" are not soldiers but still are given the RIGHT to bears arms as well.


Clarity.

How do you like clarity now Scabbage?

Militia are not soldiers: not military, except for the organized militia in the USA: the National Guard and even they are not soldiers until they are called to duty.

Militias are composed of civilians who are called upon to defend their state in times of crisis. Like the Home Guard in England during the last war.
 

taxslave

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You are beyond redemption. Hopelessly thick.

I spent a horrible night last night; dreaming that I would have to read your inane, insane posts and be doomed to having to constantly respond to your ignorance.



The difference between you an colpy is that you are just a little less aggressive in pushing your density.

I had hoped that some more thoughtful posters would join in since gopher tried to turn this into a rational debate. I don't have time for the research.

Feel free to troll on a different forum then. After all real men and women used guns to give you that right.