Gun Control is Completely Useless.

cranky

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Myth Busters did a show on bullets falling from the sky. They could not affirm or bust it.

They found an actual case of a bullet that came through a roof and killed someone.But the bullet had been shot in the air from across a bay, so the angle of travel was more like a trajectory rather than a falling object.

They also built a compressed air cannon that could spit a bullet at a falling velocity, shot it at a dead pig, and concluded that it was not garanteed to break the skin.

Also, out in the desert, they could not get the bullets to hit the desert floor any faster than a falling object.
 

Unforgiven

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Damn right I am the head cheerleader for maintaining liberty in the form of ancient rights.....and you would be the head cheerleader for the jack-booted nanny-state control freaks.

Yeah, you keep rattling on about your rights to own a gun yet when you are shown that you in fact don't have the right as a Canadian citizen in Canada, you flail and froth and grouse while never managing to show where it is that this ancient right counters the law made right here in Canada that expressly tells you that you don't have that right. For someone who claims they are as schooled in history as you do, you certainly are consistent in failing to understand and recall it accurately.

BTW, where do you get that abortion is a right????

The abortion law was in breach of Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which guarantees the right to life, liberty, and security of the person. As one of the justices stated: "The right to liberty...guarantees a degree of personal autonomy over important decisions intimately affecting his or her private life. ... The decision whether or not to terminate a pregnancy is essentially a moral decision and in a free and democratic society, the conscience of the individual must be paramount to that of the state."

The SCOC certainly never ruled on that.

Sorry mister history, yes they did on January 28, 1988, as I've shown you above.

To sum up, no one has the right to own or bear a gun in Canada. Any woman in Canada has the right to choose to abort her pregnancy.
 

cranky

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Yeah, you keep rattling on about your rights to own a gun yet when you are shown that you in fact don't have the right as a Canadian citizen in Canada, you flail and froth and grouse while never managing to show where it is that this ancient right counters the law made right here in Canada that expressly tells you that you don't have that right. For someone who claims they are as schooled in history as you do, you certainly are consistent in failing to understand and recall it accurately.



The abortion law was in breach of Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which guarantees the right to life, liberty, and security of the person. As one of the justices stated: "The right to liberty...guarantees a degree of personal autonomy over important decisions intimately affecting his or her private life. ... The decision whether or not to terminate a pregnancy is essentially a moral decision and in a free and democratic society, the conscience of the individual must be paramount to that of the state."

This raises the question of how do canadians get their rights?

Some would say that the government gives us our rights. I would suggest that the government merely restricts rights that are already there.

To grant a right, If all the government needed to do was write a new to clause into the charter, then they could have easily written our slavery into the charter merely by omitting the right to freedom and liberty.

Sorry mister history, yes they did on January 28, 1988, as I've shown you above.

Too funny!

Is that the case where you were quoting a judge's rationale, and not the actual ruling? :)
 

Unforgiven

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This raises the question of how do canadians get their rights?

No it doesn't.

Some would say that the government gives us our rights. I would suggest that the government merely restricts rights that are already there.

That is because as you have shown on this board consistently, you are a halfwit that can't manage ten minutes of research.

To grant a right, If all the government needed to do was write a new to clause into the charter, then they could have easily written our slavery into the charter merely by omitting the right to freedom and liberty.

See like this sentence here. If you were able to grasp even a small amount of knowledge there would be something bothering you about that sentence. Since it's posted and you felt very confident that it was a real winner you sat back and sighed to yourself considering it a job well done. Your fruitless efforts again fail you and leave you sitting in disgrace. A buffoon unable to hold on to even a few concepts that put order to law.

Too funny!

That the joke is on you is pretty funny. I have to wonder if right now you are sitting there fretting about where it is you made the mistake or if you are just too thick to sense that you've made one. I am laughing at you.

Is that the case where you were quoting a judge's rationale, and not the actual ruling? :)

It's ok that you don't understand many things. It's a failure on your part to run your mouth without understanding or at least having the intelligence to get acquainted with the principles of what you're trying to talk about.
This is something you are consistent at.

The governement doesn't set your rights. YOU DO. YOU ARE THE GOVERNMENT.

Might makes right.
 

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Yeah, you keep rattling on about your rights to own a gun yet when you are shown that you in fact don't have the right as a Canadian citizen in Canada, you flail and froth and grouse while never managing to show where it is that this ancient right counters the law made right here in Canada that expressly tells you that you don't have that right. For someone who claims they are as schooled in history as you do, you certainly are consistent in failing to understand and recall it accurately.



The abortion law was in breach of Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which guarantees the right to life, liberty, and security of the person. As one of the justices stated: "The right to liberty...guarantees a degree of personal autonomy over important decisions intimately affecting his or her private life. ... The decision whether or not to terminate a pregnancy is essentially a moral decision and in a free and democratic society, the conscience of the individual must be paramount to that of the state."



Sorry mister history, yes they did on January 28, 1988, as I've shown you above.

To sum up, no one has the right to own or bear a gun in Canada. Any woman in Canada has the right to choose to abort her pregnancy.

Oh, stop being deceptive.

The line you quoted in the 1988 abortion decision came from one of nine justices, and was NOT part of the majority decision, which most certainly did NOT judge that abortion was a "right". What it DID judge was that the system as it stood was inflexible, and often made any abortion impossible, and was unequally applied, in violation of the basic principles of justice.

Now, here is section 26 of the Charter;

26. The guarantee in this Charter of certain rights and freedoms shall not be construed as denying the existence of any other rights or freedoms that exist in Canada.

Here is the Bill of Rights of 1689....part of our constitutional heritage, and the foundation of constitutional monarchy (It was presented to William and Mary, and had to be accepted by them as a condition of their taking the throne)

And thereupon the said lords spiritual and temporal, and commons, pursuant to their respective letters and elections, being now assembled in a full and free representative of this nation, taking into their most serious consideration the best means for attaining the ends aforesaid; do in the first place (as their ancestors in like case have usually done) for the vindicating and asserting their ancient rights and liberties, declare;......................


7. That the subjects.......may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions, and as allowed by law.
My emphasis added.

Now then, that certainly applied to Canada, as the entire history of the English constitution applied to Canada, and as was stated in our own Charter of Rights.....was NOT removed by that Charter.

Also notice that the "said lords" did NOT presume to have the power to grant rights, only to vindicate and assert their ancient rights. How much more liberal they were than the control freaks of today, who are so deluded as to believe they have the power to grant and remove basic rights!!!!

Also notice that the right of the individual to keep arms was for DEFENCE, not duck hunting.

Yes, there is a limited right to keep arms in Canada.

Might makes right.

Here, at least, you're being honest.....the true philosophy of the control freak.
 

cranky

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No it doesn't.



That is because as you have shown on this board consistently, you are a halfwit that can't manage ten minutes of research.



See like this sentence here. If you were able to grasp even a small amount of knowledge there would be something bothering you about that sentence. Since it's posted and you felt very confident that it was a real winner you sat back and sighed to yourself considering it a job well done. Your fruitless efforts again fail you and leave you sitting in disgrace. A buffoon unable to hold on to even a few concepts that put order to law.



That the joke is on you is pretty funny. I have to wonder if right now you are sitting there fretting about where it is you made the mistake or if you are just too thick to sense that you've made one. I am laughing at you.



It's ok that you don't understand many things. It's a failure on your part to run your mouth without understanding or at least having the intelligence to get acquainted with the principles of what you're trying to talk about.
This is something you are consistent at.



Might makes right.

All ad hominem, and therefore worthless in a rational debate. :)
 

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So which MP is drafting the bill to rescind the LGR?

Ahhh....Government Bills are usually drawn up by bureaucrats, under the direction of the Minister (whomever that will be!)

If only....just for the gun bill.

Garry Breitkreuz, Member of Parliament Yorkton - Melville
 

petros

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Ahhh....Government Bills are usually drawn up by bureaucrats, under the direction of the Minister (whomever that will be!)

If only....just for the gun bill.

Garry Breitkreuz, Member of Parliament Yorkton - Melville
I know Garry very well. He is my MP for the farm. He started as a hardcore Reformer and anti-gun law but his tune has changed drastically. Don't expect too much from him. His ideals have changed and a lot of his support has passed on.
 

cranky

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I know Garry very well. He is my MP for the farm. He started as a hardcore Reformer and anti-gun law but his tune has changed drastically. Don't expect too much from him. His ideals have changed and a lot of his support has passed on.

Did he win?
 

Colpy

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I know Garry very well. He is my MP for the farm. He started as a hardcore Reformer and anti-gun law but his tune has changed drastically. Don't expect too much from him. His ideals have changed and a lot of his support has passed on.


He was dragged, kicking and screaming, to the centre along with all the rest of we Reformers, huh???

:)

Ah well, I was kidding anyway. I don't expect much really......except the complete elimination of the LGR.

Then we'll work on the rest of the Firearms Act.
 

cranky

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Sweet! I hope that Unforgiven is your neighbor.......wait a minute......I take that back.I like you. :)
 

petros

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He was dragged, kicking and screaming, to the centre along with all the rest of we Reformers, huh???

:)

Ah well, I was kidding anyway. I don't expect much really......except the complete elimination of the LGR.

Then we'll work on the rest of the Firearms Act.
Breitkruez is an avid hunter and I believe he holds interest in an outfitting company that deals with American hunter. Yorkton is smack dab in the middle of on the largest bird migration flyways in the world.

I usually limit out in about 15 mins. I get flocks of 250,000+ snow geese in my field every fall.

I'm lucky to have the farm where I do. There is just as much bush as there is cleared land and the deer, elk and moose are actually a pain in the ass and cost me considerable amounts of crop damage or loss.


If you ever want to hunt and be guaranteed to limit out, come visit. I'll gladly put you up and I have a band saw for cutting.
 
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Colpy

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Breitkruez is an avid hunter and I believe he holds interest in an outfitting company that deals with American hunter. Yorkton is smack dab in the middle of on the largest bird migration flyways in the world.

I usually limit out in about 15 mins. I get flocks of 250,000+ snow geese in my field every fall.

I'm lucky to have the farm where I do. There is just as much bush as there is cleared land and the deer, elk and moose are actually a pain in the ass and cost me considerable amounts of crop damage or loss.


If you ever want to hunt and be guaranteed to limit out, come visit. I'll gladly put you up and I have a band saw for cutting.

WOW!!

250,000 Snow geese.....I remember when they were endangered, and your instructions with your federal migratory game bird license had an impression of a Snow goose with DON'T SHOOT embossed across it in huge red letters......

Thanks for the invite, I appreciate it.......
 

petros

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WOW!!

250,000 Snow geese.....I remember when they were endangered, and your instructions with your federal migratory game bird license had an impression of a Snow goose with DON'T SHOOT embossed across it in huge red letters......

Thanks for the invite, I appreciate it.......
This is a small flock.....


Daily limit is 20 birds, 60 total possession limit.


You are more than welcome to come experience the best hunting and freshwater fishing Canada (and the world) has to offer and I'm dead center of it.

I'll gladly host anyone who wants to come and hunt. The deer and moose population has gotten out of hand in my region.
 

Unforgiven

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Oh, stop being deceptive.

There is no deception at all on my part.

The line you quoted in the 1988 abortion decision came from one of nine justices, and was NOT part of the majority decision, which most certainly did NOT judge that abortion was a "right". What it DID judge was that the system as it stood was inflexible, and often made any abortion impossible, and was unequally applied, in violation of the basic principles of justice.

I disagree, the statement accepts that the law in an infringement on basic human rights. That's what the judgement said when the laws were struck down.

Now, here is section 26 of the Charter;

You attempted to raise this point before and I shot it down. Not difficult I might add to do in this case. You don't have the right to have and bear arms in Canada. You can go back and reread the link I posted then if you need a refresher.

Yes, there is a limited right to keep arms in Canada.

Well all I can say is there isn't but you are welcome to test your theory through the court system and see how you do with it.

Here, at least, you're being honest.....the true philosophy of the control freak.

I always try to be honest unless I am kidding around. I suspect you haven't the slightest idea what that
statement means.

All ad hominem, and therefore worthless in a rational debate. :)

You couldn't manage a spoon/fork debate in your own head before lunch hour was over.
 

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I just realized that the subject header is completely accurate.

No one should have gun control.