Gun Control is Completely Useless.

cranky

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There is no deception at all on my part.



I disagree, the statement accepts that the law in an infringement on basic human rights. That's what the judgement said when the laws were struck down.



You attempted to raise this point before and I shot it down. Not difficult I might add to do in this case. You don't have the right to have and bear arms in Canada. You can go back and reread the link I posted then if you need a refresher.



Well all I can say is there isn't but you are welcome to test your theory through the court system and see how you do with it.



I always try to be honest unless I am kidding around. I suspect you haven't the slightest idea what that
statement means.



You couldn't manage a spoon/fork debate in your own head before lunch hour was over.
i am so glad you are able to pat yourself on the back .
 

ironsides

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Barack Obama and his anti-gun cronies will do ANYTHING to set the stage for passage of the UN Small Arms Treaty -- including putting innocent American lives at risk.

In fact, former Ambassador John Bolton said recently that President Obama’s ATF agents watched silently as Mexican drug cartels smuggled hundreds of rifles across the border to:

". . . provide a foundation for their argument [on] why the United States will have to enter into, in short order, the United Nations-negotiated arms trade treaty."

Yeah, you heard that right . . .

The ATF's Gun-Walker program was designed to generate so much border violence that Congress would have no choice but to pass the UN Small Arms Treaty.
 

cranky

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I'm giving odds that Herr Harpo WILL NOT kill the long gun registry as he promised.

I will not support him for another election if the long registry isn't repealed or replaced with something more rational.

Besides, I have always felt that conservative supporters hold their representatives to a higher standard than liberals hold theirs.

Harper knows and understands that, imo.
 

Nuggler

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I will not support him for another election if the long registry isn't repealed or replaced with something more rational.

Besides, I have always felt that conservative supporters hold their representatives to a higher standard than liberals hold theirs.

Harper knows and understands that, imo.


:lol::lol:..........Oh stop!!! :lol::lol:......C'mon!! :lol::lol:........Harpo'll read your post and just **** himself with fear..................not.:lol:
 

cranky

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:lol::lol:..........Oh stop!!! :lol::lol:......C'mon!! :lol::lol:........Harpo'll read your post and just **** himself with fear..................not.:lol:

:lol::lol:..........Oh stop!!! :lol::lol:......C'mon!! :lol::lol:........ The only people that might be doing that out of fear, are the guys hoping Harper won't kill the registry.
 

Colpy

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I'm giving odds that Herr Harpo WILL NOT kill the long gun registry as he promised.

Harper has no choice.

It is not just Cranky, it is a lot of people in this country. I also would not support the Conservatives in the next election if they do not kill the registry.

Nor would I contribute money to them.

One of the foundation blocks of Conservative success has been the inflow of small amounts of money from a vast number of individuals, a grass-roots movement backed by tens of thousands of cheques for $35, $75, $100.....whatever.......

That is a phenomenon that sprang directly from the old Reform Party, and a huge number of those that have kept the party afloat are old Reformers, like me.

And we are rabidly against the registry.

So, fail us, and you lose a significant block of your base at election time, and a disproportionate number of the small donations that have fueled the party's success.

Harper ain't a gun guy.

He also ain't a fool.

The registry will be gone before 2012 dawns.

Wanna bet?
 

JLM

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Harper has no choice.

It is not just Cranky, it is a lot of people in this country. I also would not support the Conservatives in the next election if they do not kill the registry.

Nor would I contribute money to them.

One of the foundation blocks of Conservative success has been the inflow of small amounts of money from a vast number of individuals, a grass-roots movement backed by tens of thousands of cheques for $35, $75, $100.....whatever.......

A little tip for you and others of like mind. I contributed to a political party about 30 years ago.....................complete waste of money, luckily I figured it out before I had too much in there. If you feel you must contribute money contribute it directly to something the party supports (so long as they provide tax receipts) If a political party needs money they can sell hot dogs like everyone else!
 

cranky

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I have no problems with the idea of putting your money where your mouth is. but JLM is definitely correct to warn that it can be a waste.

Not every person is cut out to be a policy maker or a policy shaker. So when we do find something we believe in, it doesn't hurt to support it a little.
 

cranky

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Okay folks, I went crazy.

I got thinking about the insistence of the anti-gun folks that we don't want to be like the AMERICANS, with no gun control, and blood running in the streets! I had read that murder was so high in American ghettoes that it skewed national figures, as (obviously) there could be social causes for murder in those circumstances.........SOOOOOO

I went looking to isolate two populations, as close as possible in population make-up, culture, etc, with the ONLY difference being gun control laws. I settled on the west, the provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta in Canada, and the three American states that border them, Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota. These seemed to be the best examples, as they are the two areas of Canada and the United States that are the most alike in population culture, etc., yet most different in gun legislation.

Let me lay it out for you.

In Canada, before you buy a long gun, you must pass a safety course, undergo an investigation, get references including your spouse, obtain a license, and register the firearm. Most military semi-autos are prohibited. Semi-auto rifles can only have magazines with 5 rounds

In these states, if you want the semi-auto version of the American military M-16, you walk into the gun store, put down your cash, buy the piece and as many 30 round magazines as you like. You wait a federally-mandated 7 days, and go get your rifle. No license, no registration, no course, any rifle is OK.

In Canada, the vast majority of handguns are prohibited. If you want a handgun, you must either be a collector, or a target shooter. Self-defense is NOT allowed. You must have a long gun license (see above), pass ANOTHER course, and register your pistol. You must belong to a gun club, and you are ONLY allowed to transfer the weapon back and forth from the club to home, it must be trigger locked, and in a locked case.

If you want a handgun in any of these states, it is exactly the same as the process for buying a military "assault" rifle in the Sates, as laid out above. No license, no registration, no course, no NOTHING. NO handguns are prohibited.

In Canada, getting a license to carry a handgun is practically impossible.

In these states, the gov't MUST give you a license to carry a handgun for self-defense if you don't have a criminal record.

Just to make it clear, here are the ratings for the states given by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence: Montana (F), North Dakota (D), Minnesota ( C-)

Believe me, Canada would get an A+++ from Sarah Brady.

So, Canada is a wonderful, peaceful place where everyone is safe and happy, but step across the border and you trip over bodies and fall into the mess of blood, guts and expended shell casings, right?

Well, maybe not.

MURDER RATES
------------------------2000...2001...2002...2003...2004
Manitoba------------ 2.61...2.95...3.12...3.70... 4.27 (per 100,000)
(2002 - 1,151,000)-----30.....34......36.....43..... 49 (murders)

Saskatchewan------2.58...2.70... 2.71...4.12...3.92
(2002 - 1,000,000).... 26.... 27..... 27.....41.....39

Alberta---------------1.96...2.29... 2.25...2.03...2.69
(2002 - 3,056,000).... 60.....70......69.....62 .... 82

Montana.............1.80...3.80....1.80...3.30...3.20
(2003 - 917,000).......17.....35......17......30.....29

North Dakota.......0.60...1.10... 0.80....1.90...1.40
(2003 - 633,000)........4.......7.......5......12.......9

Minnesota..........3.10... 2.40... 2.20... 2.50...2.20
(2003 - 5,059,000)..157.....121.....111....126....111

HERE'S THE SHOCKER!


MURDER RATES PER 100,000
----------------------------------2000...2001...2002...2003...2004
Canada West-----------------2.22----2.52----2.54---2.80----3.26 (per 100,000)
Population 5,207,000........116.... 131.....132....146....170 (murders)

USA Northwest---------------2.69----2.47----2.01---2.54----2.25
Population 6,609,000........178.... 163......133....168.....149

GUN CONTROL IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME!
BTW Figuring this out took me HOURS.............Canadian stats are from Stats Canada, American Stats on population are from U.S. Population by State, 1790 to 2009 — FactMonster.com

American Stats on murder rates are from Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

Facts on state gun laws are from Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

Math concerned is by ME.

Edited to say: DAMN, I had those all set out in coherent tables, but all spacing disappeared when I submitted it........so (being computer illiterate) I've used spacers......sorry about that)

over 1400 posts later, and I have to say that this is still an excellent post. I would like to thank you for spending the time to put it all together for us.
 

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cranky

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What a shame!

Like most anti-gun ads, the guy speaking in this is either an idiot or a liar, or both.

You can NOT buy full auto firearms in the United States without an expensive federal license and a thorough background check (since 1934)............and the sale of new full autos has been prohibited for years.

So, so typical.

actually, you can buy fully automatic weapons in the USA but you have to jump through a mountain of paperwork to do so, and it is extremely difficult, practically impossible to qualify for the permits.

so, if there is a problem with fully automatic weapons in the USA, why would we want to implement the same costly and ineffective bureaucracy for all firearms?

Don't the anti-rights people realize that they won't be accomplishing anything except tread all over the rights of law abiding citizens. Terrorists and criminals will still be able to get their firearms.

Edit: oops, I see that you stated it was possible too. sorry. I'll leave my post intact because I think it builds on what you wrote.
 
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petros

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What a shame!

Like most anti-gun ads, the guy speaking in this is either an idiot or a liar, or both.

You can NOT buy full auto firearms in the United States without an expensive federal license and a thorough background check (since 1934)............and the sale of new full autos has been prohibited for years.

So, so typical.
If I put on a turban and grow a beard, and go on the tube could I frighten little old ladies into thinking this scenario is within the bounds of reality and they would agree to banning Bazooka bubble gum strictly because it has the word bazooka in it.

Has there been false alQaeda videos in the past at all that have cause overreaction and panic?

The alCIAda boogeyman has so many people psychologically ****ed up they'll agree to anything under the " I have nothing to hide mentality" and feel it is their patriotic duty to be x-rayed, groped, treated like a criminal, allow there homes to be search warrantlessly, all your paper and email read, and phone calls listened to

Even the Stazi were less invasive than HLS.