Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[mentalfloss]

We can quibble about "significant" afterward, but I will agree to let you go loonie on the firearms act.

Deal?

 

[Colpy]

We can quibble about "significant" afterward, but I will agree to let you go loonie on the firearms act.

Deal?

Deal. We should be running the freaking country...lol!

 

[mentalfloss]

We do.

See you in Afghanistan!

 

[cranky]

I will agree to that deal on the condition that we can bring back the registry if we can show, without a shadow of a doubt, that your freedom causes a significant amount of damage to our well being.

do you care to rephrase that?

 

[mentalfloss]

do you care to rephrase that?

How so?

 

[cranky]

please read about the Oaks test. It lays out some guidelines on when and how a freedom should be restricted. In short, it is never as "IF, Then" as you made it sound.

 

[Tonington]

please read about the Oaks test. It lays out some guidelines on when and how a freedom should be restricted. In short, it is never as "IF, Then" as you made it sound.

Which Charter right has been violated by the Firearms Act? You have to establish that a clause in the Charter has been violated before you can apply Oakes test.

 

[mentalfloss]

please read about the Oaks test. It lays out some guidelines on when and how a freedom should be restricted. In short, it is never as "IF, Then" as you made it sound.

Well I'll let you know when I begin to give a **** about the Oaks test.

 

[cranky]

Which Charter right has been violated by the Firearms Act? You have to establish that a clause in the Charter has been violated before you can apply Oakes test.

thats an outdated question, the firearms act can now be repealed by the same mechanism that it was put into place....a majority government.

 

[Tonington]

thats an outdated question, the firearms act can now be repealed by the same mechanism that it was put into place....a majority government.

I know that...I was referring to the scenario you brought up with mentalfloss...he didn't even mention the courts. But I was willing to entertain your point.

 

[cranky]

Tonington, all anti-gun nuts are anti-rights because they seek to only remove Private ownership of guns. They have no problem with police, military, and in a twisted way - criminals.

 

[Tonington]

Tonington, all anti-gun nuts are anti-rights because they seek to only remove Private ownership of guns. They have no problem with police, military, and in a twisted way - criminals.

If you didn't want to discuss it, why did you bring it up? Meh, I don't really care either way.

 

[weaselwords]

Now that the Long Gun Registry is to be abolished willl that mean all records kept to the time of abolishment will be expunged?
Will it mean Firearm Aquistion Permits are no longer required? If so are all those records going to be expunged?
Will the Firearm Act be repealled or watered down?

 

[petros]

Who said it was going to be abolished?

 

[weaselwords]

Am I jumping the "gun" in believing the Registry is going to be gone before the end of the first session of the 41st parliament?

 

[petros]

Am I jumping the "gun" in believing the Registry is going to be gone before the end of the first session of the 41st parliament?

What evidence has the Gov given that it will abolish anything?

 

[weaselwords]

I'll play. Candice Hoeppner Portage Lisgar Bill C391 (40-2) defeated 3rd reading. Vowed to reintroduce the Bill.

 

[Colpy]

Now that the Long Gun Registry is to be abolished willl that mean all records kept to the time of abolishment will be expunged?
Will it mean Firearm Aquistion Permits are no longer required? If so are all those records going to be expunged?
Will the Firearm Act be repealled or watered down?

If the last Conservative supported bills to abolish the registry are any indication, only the requirement to register will be abolished.

For certain the requirement to have a Firearms License to possess firearms will remain.

Unfortunately, the disgusting and quite possibly unconstitutional Firearms Act will stay. Mr. Harper is not a shooter, and broke ranks with Reform and voted for the Firearms Act back in 1995. He only became a convert after it was shown the "gun lobby" was completely correct about cost, accuracy, and effectiveness.

The search and other provisions of the Firearms Act will have to await Charter challenges.

 

[cranky]

K.

What evidence has the Gov given that it will abolish anything?

They supported a private members bill all the way to its third reading, is that not evidence enough?

 

[petros]

Now that they don't need the support of the anti-gun law voters it will sink like a stone.