Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[Unforgiven]

You need a lesson in reading comprehension, it speaks of the right to own firearms is not a right that is garanteed by the charter. That statement is worthless because we knew that 20 years ago.

It's speaks to, is the first place an idiot goes when they don't have the truth on their side. You can test it's worth by claiming your right to own firearms. I suspect you're mincey no balls situation is going to keep you planted in front of your computer and away from any of that reality you are so scared of.

A privilege is simply a right or freedom taken away by the state. My ancestors also had the right / freedom to hunt and fish, which are now privileges which can be denied summarily and arbitrarily. Governments do not grant freedoms or rights, they take them away, either entirely or by calling them privileges. Natives had to fight to regain their rights, the state did not give them of its own volition. Owning firearms was a right / freedom prior to WW1, one of many rights and freedoms now so eroded that veterans must wonder for what freedoms they fought, and who the real enemy of the people is.

Nope. Law is a living breathing mechanism that changes with the need to change. Thinking you have some right that over steps the rights of others, is of course ignorant and uncivilized. Anyone in Canada who is in good standing and meets the requirements, may if they choose to own and keep a gun in the manner prescribed that puts safety of others first.
When that is too much of a burden on someone, they have the option of not owning a gun.

Maybe Harper's get tough on crime idea has a use here after all. If you break the law and don't register your gun, use it in a manner that puts others in danger, or fail to make it safe then perhaps jail time with an eye to punishment is in order. Forced labor, beatings and a host of other suggestions that have been offered up by the rightwing here might be an interesting experiment.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Nope. Law is a living breathing mechanism that changes with the need to change. Thinking you have some right that over steps the rights of others, is of course ignorant and uncivilized. Anyone in Canada who is in good standing and meets the requirements, may if they choose to own and keep a gun in the manner prescribed that puts safety of others first.
When that is too much of a burden on someone, they have the option of not owning a gun.

You obviously don't know the history behind the Firearms Act, or much of the other banal legislation that is spewed out at both the federal and provincial level. The laws didn't need to be changed, laws in place just weren't enforced. The Liberals only enacted Bill C-68 because they wanted it, and have wanted it since 1978. It was then, and still is arbitrary and useless. Perhaps your love of legislation would have endeared you to progroms enacted by the Bolsheviks or segregation laws of the past here and in the US. All were legal so I guess that made it right.

Maybe Harper's get tough on crime idea has a use here after all. If you break the law and don't register your gun, use it in a manner that puts others in danger, or fail to make it safe then perhaps jail time with an eye to punishment is in order. Forced labor, beatings and a host of other suggestions that have been offered up by the rightwing here might be an interesting experiment.

This article appeared in yesterday's paper
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/1240319.html

At first I thought Dr. Ackermann's views were a bit bombastic, until Iheard him during an interview with Halifax News 95.7 Radio Host Rick Howe. (the article indicated Dr. Ackermann, a physician in Sherbrooke, couldn't be reached for comment,but just try reaching a doctor by phone). Dr. Ackermann cited a couple of well known cases of police abuse of force in enforcing firearms laws, (and wrongly so as stated by presiding jurists). There are many more cases of misuse of force that I am familiar with. If you believe that it doesn't matter how many innocent lives are left in tatters, just as long as a few bad guys are caught, one of us is living in the wrong country. Next time it may be you who is strip searched in public at gunpoint, and has their home torn apart by crowbars. But no one will be left to defend you because it is you who defends draconian legislation, because it is the law and the law is always right.

Oddly, Dr Ackermann's notes were released by the liberals, and unfortunately for them, what he says is based on fact, and is a direct result of their policies. The Conservatives, rather than saying they are looking into it, should be either saying nothing, or for the most part agreeing. But we are in the midst of an election campaign where the people are promised whatever they wish for, there is no room for truth.

 

[Unforgiven]

You obviously don't know the history behind the Firearms Act, or much of the other banal legislation that is spewed out at both the federal and provincial level. The laws didn't need to be changed, laws in place just weren't enforced. The Liberals only enacted Bill C-68 because they wanted it, and have wanted it since 1978. It was then, and still is arbitrary and useless. Perhaps your love of legislation would have endeared you to progroms enacted by the Bolsheviks or segregation laws of the past here and in the US. All were legal so I guess that made it right.



This article appeared in yesterday's paper
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/1240319.html

At first I thought Dr. Ackermann's views were a bit bombastic, until Iheard him during an interview with Halifax News 95.7 Radio Host Rick Howe. (the article indicated Dr. Ackermann, a physician in Sherbrooke, couldn't be reached for comment,but just try reaching a doctor by phone). Dr. Ackermann cited a couple of well known cases of police abuse of force in enforcing firearms laws, (and wrongly so as stated by presiding jurists). There are many more cases of misuse of force that I am familiar with. If you believe that it doesn't matter how many innocent lives are left in tatters, just as long as a few bad guys are caught, one of us is living in the wrong country. Next time it may be you who is strip searched in public at gunpoint, and has their home torn apart by crowbars. But no one will be left to defend you because it is you who defends draconian legislation, because it is the law and the law is always right.

Oddly, Dr Ackermann's notes were released by the liberals, and unfortunately for them, what he says is based on fact, and is a direct result of their policies. The Conservatives, rather than saying they are looking into it, should be either saying nothing, or for the most part agreeing. But we are in the midst of an election campaign where the people are promised whatever they wish for, there is no room for truth.

All that bleating aside, it's still the law, owning and keeping firearms is a heavily regulated privilege. If you don't want to abide the law, then be prepared to suffer the consequences.

 

[Colpy]

All that bleating aside, it's still the law, owning and keeping firearms is a heavily regulated privilege. If you don't want to abide the law, then be prepared to suffer the consequences.

And marijuana is a completely banned substance.

"If you don't want to abide the law, then be prepared to suffer the consequences."

I assume that doesn't stop you........so what is the difference?

Besides, of course, the clear existence of an ancient right to keep and bear arms.

 

[Unforgiven]

And marijuana is a completely banned substance.

"If you don't want to abide the law, then be prepared to suffer the consequences."

I assume that doesn't stop you........so what is the difference?

Besides, of course, the clear existence of an ancient right to keep and bear arms.

Ha! Cannabis is not at all banned. For that matter, the government through Health Canada hands out licenses to both possess and cultivate Cannabis. So how does that make you feel Colpy? Perfectly legal for me and others to enjoy Cannabis in all it's forms because it's my right under the Charter to have it.

Liberty is a good thing I say!

 

[Colpy]

Ha! Cannabis is not at all banned. For that matter, the government through Health Canada hands out licenses to both possess and cultivate Cannabis. So how does that make you feel Colpy? Perfectly legal for me and others to enjoy Cannabis in all it's forms because it's my right under the Charter to have it.

Liberty is a good thing I say!

Too bad you don't understand that Liberty only exists if it applies to everyone, not just you.....

So what is you medical condition??

Chronic obnoxiousness?

 

[Unforgiven]

Too bad you don't understand that Liberty only exists if it applies to everyone, not just you.....

But Colpy, I am special!

So what is you medical condition??

Chronic obnoxiousness?

Proctagra.

 

[cranky]

 

[Taxx]

Too bad you don't understand that Liberty only exists if it applies to everyone, not just you.....

So what is you medical condition??

Chronic obnoxiousness?

Good sir, I don't think that there is medication for such a problem.

 

[Colpy]

But Colpy, I am special!



Proctagra.

You're an asshole?

Geez, I should have an medical degree, I knew that!

lol

 

[Taxx]

You're an asshole?

Geez, I should have an medical degree, I knew that!

lol

Thats pretty rude but at the same time still very funny.

 

[cranky]

assholes have feelings too

 

[cranky]

The Harper government no has the power to dismantle the gun registry

so I wonder if its time to start a new thread on gun control and the gun registry.

perhaps this time we can talk about ways to fight crime instead of ways to fight duck hunters and farmers

 

[mentalfloss]

I will let the gun registry go if we legalize MDMA.

Deal?

 

[cranky]

wtf is that?

 

[Colpy]

I will let the gun registry go if we legalize MDMA.

Deal?

Cranky, MDMA is the street drug known as "ecstacy".

Mentalfloss.....no deal.

If you want to play libertarian, that is fine. And I would love to play along. But the registration system is the least of the many onerous attacks on freedom inherent in the Firearms Act.

Dump the Act altogether, replace it with licensing alone, including provision for carry........and you have a deal.

Legalization of certain classifications of recreational drugs, including marijuana and MDMA.

BTW, don't misjudge me. Back in the day, I probably did more drugs than you and Unforgiven put together.

 

[cranky]

the NFA has a documented sensible and practical approach to regulating firearms and licenses, and it doesn't include the kind of freedom destroying garbage that is in the firearms act

 

[Colpy]

the NFA has a documented sensible and practical approach to regulating firearms and licenses, and it doesn't include the kind of freedom destroying garbage that is in the firearms act

Which is exactly what I am referring to.........I belong to both the NFA and CSSA, as should anyone that owns a gun in this country.

 

[mentalfloss]

Dump the Act altogether, replace it with licensing alone, including provision for carry........and you have a deal.

I will agree to that deal on the condition that we can bring back the registry if we can show, without a shadow of a doubt, that your freedom causes a significant amount of damage to our well being.

 

[Colpy]

I will agree to that deal on the condition that we can bring back the registry if we can show, without a shadow of a doubt, that your freedom causes a significant amount of damage to our well being.

The key word being "significant"

Oh, and we're talking about the Firearms Act, not just the long gun registry.

And of course that goes both ways. If one comes back, so does the other.