Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[captain morgan]

Check out the Windsor/ corridor population and compare it to Chicago proper!! No matter how many excuses you come up with Zero to 700 is pretty hard to get around isn't it LOL.

The functional stat between these 2 cities will be how many crimes are perpetuated using long guns.

As has been said umpteen times to date, the registry serves no purpose for tracking weapons that have (nor will they ever be) registered.

 

[Colpy]

Okay, time to straighten things out for those that can't seem to focus on the facts:

First of all we were NOT talking about Windsor and Chicago, we were talking about Windsor and DETROIT, which is the city right across the bridge. Buy a fricken MAP, and no they are not interchangable.

BTW, seeing as (for some incoherent reason) you want to talk about Chicago, that city had a handgun BAN up until recently, when it was overturned as unconstitutional...........the corrupt politicians and gangsters that have run that town for decades LOVE strict gun control.

Secondly: Detroit is an economic wasteland of drugs, violence and gangland war, caused by the collapse of the auto industry and a complete lack of anything decent in local government. Comparing it to Windsor is like comparing Kelowna to Kabul.......hardly even on the same planet.

Thirdly, if it is young men that drive the murder rate and NOT the availibility of guns, as this study contends, then the murder rate will remain relatively the same respective of age demographics, with or without strict gun control.

Fourth:

I do not understand the difference between proving one's competence in operating a truck or a car, earning a degree to treat the sick or represent someone in a court of law, having a degree to teach ..... and proving one is sensible & knowledgeable enough to have a gun. Explain to me why having a weapon who's sole purpose is to kill or maim should not call for the same standards of competence??

Excuse me? Training, competency testing and background checks are required for firearms LICENSING, which is a requirement in Canada, and NOT a part of the registration process of which we speak.

Fifth: the elimination of the registry has been a core part of the Conservative platform, the Conservatives have a majority, the registry is as good as DEAD. As it is, registry violations have not been prosecuted since the CPC came to office in 2006.

It will pass.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Fourth: Excuse me? Training, competency testing and background checks are required for firearms LICENSING, which is a requirement in Canada, and NOT a part of the registration process of which we speak.

Fifth: the elimination of the registry has been a core part of the Conservative platform, the Conservatives have a majority, the registry is as good as DEAD. As it is, registry violations have not been prosecuted since the CPC came to office in 2006.

It will pass.

Ah, so you are in favour of gun control after all. From your previous posts I thought you wanted Canada to be a northern version of the shooting gallery to the south.

 

[Colpy]

Ah, so you are in favour of gun control after all. From your previous posts I thought you wanted Canada to be a northern version of the shooting gallery to the south.

The "shooting gallery" down south has lots of gun control as well. It just isn't very coherent.

I can see how licensing might actually be a positive thing, if only for the safety training that is necessary to acquire a license. Let's just say that I would be willing to tolerate a strict licensing framework as a reasonable compromise between no control at all, and no guns at all.

Registration is useless for both handguns and long guns, as is the idiot classifications of firearms due to barrel length, action type, magazine size etc etc.

A gun is a gun is a gun.

But, sensible control will not happen in Canada, we'd have to throw out the Firearms Act altogether and start over.

So, losing the LGR is a step in the right direction.

 

[Nuggler]

The "shooting gallery" down south has lots of gun control as well. It just isn't very coherent.

I can see how licensing might actually be a positive thing, if only for the safety training that is necessary to acquire a license. Let's just say that I would be willing to tolerate a strict licensing framework as a reasonable compromise between no control at all, and no guns at all.

Registration is useless for both handguns and long guns, as is the idiot classifications of firearms due to barrel length, action type, magazine size etc etc.

A gun is a gun is a gun.

But, sensible control will not happen in Canada, we'd have to throw out the Firearms Act altogether and start over.

So, losing the LGR is a step in the right direction.

Lord willin an the creek don't rise, it'll happen soon.:happy7:

 

[ironsides]

Where does the idea that we have no gun control, every State has gun control including to quote Colpy "Training, competency testing and background checks are required for firearms LICENSING". Every person who purchases a firearm in the United States is required by Federal law to be checked out thru FBI records at a minimum (States can have stricter regulations if they want, as long as it is possible to get a license. Vermont requires no license.). (Mental health records also) Firearms are also registered, where they get lost is when a legally purchased weapon is resold privately. That second purchase still must be to a licensed individual. So bottom line is it all falls upon the individual as to what kind of crime rate will exist where they live.


Here ya go, compare apples to oranges.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada

 

[bluebyrd35]

Okay, time to straighten things out for those that can't seem to focus on the facts:

First of all we were NOT talking about Windsor and Chicago, we were talking about Windsor and DETROIT, which is the city right across the bridge. Buy a fricken MAP, and no they are not interchangable.

Sorry about that, I was planning my route south, and was thinking of going through Chicago. The stats were for Detroit, as I used sleeper's. Since then I found that Detroit lost 200,000 population last year!! They now stand at 713,777. and Windsor stands now at 323,342. That puts Windsor at a little more than half the population of Detroit. That makes the homicide deaths by gunfire, at 350 in DETROIT and still ZERO in Windsor. The estimates by officials, figure the majority of those who left are middle-class black persons & their families.

BTW, seeing as (for some incoherent reason) you want to talk about Chicago, that city had a handgun BAN up until recently, when it was overturned as unconstitutional...........the corrupt politicians and gangsters that have run that town for decades LOVE strict gun control.

Because of the present ongoing riots in Chicago, I will take another route, so, I am not really interested why you think handgun ban was instituted. In the US it is unconstitutional because long ago, some twits felt force was the only way to force change ......the whole world is discovering that isn't so these days.

Secondly: Detroit is an economic wasteland of drugs, violence and gangland war, caused by the collapse of the auto industry and a complete lack of anything decent in local government. Comparing it to Windsor is like comparing Kelowna to Kabul.......hardly even on the same planet.

Excuse me but Windsor is also suffering from the collapse of it's auto industry. It is suffering quite badly from the economic downturn. Face it, the two cities are not only on the same planet, they are separated by a river!! Canada just doesn't happen to be a guntoting society. Canada's primary GNP is not firearms.


Thirdly, if it is young men that drive the murder rate and NOT the availibility of guns, as this study contends, then the murder rate will remain relatively the same respective of age demographics, with or without strict gun control.

LOL......of those 200,000 families that left, a lot of young people went with them. The main reason for leaving was to get away from the guns and violence and to protect their young.

Fourth: Excuse me? Training, competency testing and background checks are required for firearms LITENSING, which is a requirement in Canada, and NOT a part of the registration process of which we speak.

Yes, for purchasing any gun now, but not if the registration process for long guns is dropped. What method do we use to know when a young person who is ticked off with his girlfriend or teacher, has access to a gun?? has gotten the training, testing or the family adult went through a background check. Most gun owners have guns from before this gun registry law, that they haven't registered.

Fifth: the elimination of the registry has been a core part of the Conservative platform, the Conservatives have a majority, the registry is as good as DEAD. As it is, registry violations have not been prosecuted since the CPC came to office in 2006.

It will pass.

I bloody well hope not. Do not be surprised to see mothers of dead children by gunshot petitioning against it. If it was worked over so it was not so unwieldy fine......otherwise keep what we have.

No one here is.

Hence the references to your ideology. That's why you make things up.

HAH!! Touch your right to shoot guns and most of you go ballastic!!

 

[DaSleeper]

Sorry about that, I was planning my route south, and was thinking of going through Chicago. The stats were for Detroit, as I used sleeper's. Since then I found that Detroit lost 200,000 population last year!! They now stand at 713,777. and Windsor stands now at 323,342. That puts Windsor at a little more than half the population of Detroit. That makes the homicide deaths by gunfire, at 350 in DETROIT and still ZERO in Windsor. The estimates by officials, figure the majority of those who left are middle-class black persons & their families.

You conveniently ignored the demographics of both cities...and and the joblessness in Detroit

Your ideology makes you blind to simple fact...

Detroit statistics.

Windsor-ontario/demographics

It would also help if you learned to quote and multiquote properly...
See..how-use-quote

 

[Colpy]

In the US it is unconstitutional because long ago, some twits felt force was the only way to force change ......the whole world is discovering that isn't so these days.

Really?? First ot all, those "twits" created the first modern democracy, and wrote the very first democratic constitution in the history of man, in which they recognized that power belongs in the hands of the people..........and that power includes the power of force, thus the right to keep and bear arms.....as for "some twits felt force was the only way to force change ......the whole world is discovering that isn't so these days".....you should read the newspapers......and try and tell THAT to the people of Libya

Fourth: Excuse me? Training, competency testing and background checks are required for firearms LICENSING, which is a requirement in Canada, and NOT a part of the registration process of which we speak.

Fifth: the elimination of the registry has been a core part of the Conservative platform, the Conservatives have a majority, the registry is as good as DEAD. As it is, registry violations have not been prosecuted since the CPC came to office in 2006.

It will pass.

Yes, for purchasing any gun now, but not if the registration process for long guns is dropped. What method do we use to know when a young person who is ticked off with his girlfriend or teacher, has access to a gun?? has gotten the training, testing or the family adult went through a background check. Most gun owners have guns from before this gun registry law, that they haven't registered.

I bloody well hope not. Do not be surprised to see mothers of dead children by gunshot petitioning against it. If it was worked over so it was not so unwieldy fine......otherwise keep what we have.

HAH!! Touch your right to shoot guns and most of you go ballastic!!

First of all, the cancelling of the Long Gun Registry will leave the required licensing requirements fully in place.........it will still be illegal to be in possession of ANY firearm without a license.

The mothers and other victims of tragedy will certainly have their say...........and rightfully so. But their attempt to make life safe is futile, and we should not sacrifice our liberty on the altar of their tears.......

Finally, in your last line...............thank you for acknowledging that my possession of arms IS a right!!!

 

[Bar Sinister]

I just Googled an American state at random. This is the first hit I got. It does not appear to me that the state of Georgia has anything that might remotely be considered any form of restrictions on firearms. However, I have included a link to a more detailed site comparing each state. I can't say I am very impressed with the "restrictions" on firearms purchases in many of them. I could find almost nothing on federal regulations regarding gun laws. The NRA site lists only those persons who may not own guns, but says nothing about any other restrictions on firearm ownership.

What are the Gun Laws in Georgia?

Gun laws in the United States (by state) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I did come across this article which details federal laws regarding firearms ownership. But once again, it appeared to me that there are very few restrictions preventing anyone of legal age from buying a firearm. This seems to back up the documentaries I have sen in which a Canadian reporter pulls a reverse Michael Moore and purchases a firearm in the US without the least bit of difficulty.

A primer on federal gun law : Built on Facts

It also occurs to me that if one state has very lax gun laws what is there to stop anyone from a state with stricter firearms regulations from simply driving to a different state and making a purchase?

 

[bluebyrd35]

Really?? First ot all, those "twits" created the first modern democracy, and wrote the very first democratic constitution in the history of man, in which they recognized that power belongs in the hands of the people..........and that power includes the power of force, thus the right to keep and bear arms.....as for "some twits felt force was the only way to force change ......the whole world is discovering that isn't so these days".....you should read the newspapers......and try and tell THAT to the people of Libyaood

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Oh my word, have you even looked at that "first modern democracy" without that "right to bear arms" (for all the good it has done them) clouding your vision ?? It (US)has the wealth & power in the hands of 1% of the people, AND the rest have the right to bear arms. LOL.

The Americans do not have now what the Libyians had in 2009 before they decided Ghaddaffi was a madman. In 2009 Lybians had the best HDI(human development Index) in Africa.....in fact they have FREE healthcare, education & housing. They were still working on getting the housing sorted out............ the US still hasn't managed even one of those programs.

But hey the US population has the right to bear arms, the main purpose of which was supposed to provide an civil army against attack if needed. These days, that, right along with how very little world news is broadcast, and you have a ,dictatorship in the guise of democracy. The people are kept whipped into fears of terrorism, their neighbours, people who have a different manner of dress, religion, or culture.
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First of all, the cancelling of the Long Gun Registry will leave the required licensing requirements fully in place.........it will still be illegal to be in possession of ANY firearm without a license.

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AND does that include proving they know how to properly use ANY gun and that they are mentally stable??
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The mothers and other victims of tragedy will certainly have their say...........and rightfully so. But their attempt to make life safe is futile, and we should not sacrifice our liberty on the altar of their tears.......
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Kinda think their liberty to keep their children trumps your right to bear arms. Lepine managed to shoot 28 women with a mini-14 rifle before being stopped. Then another nutball managed to shoot 20 students before shooting himself. He had a Baretta CX4 & a Storm semi-automatic rifle. It is usually women & children who are the victims so damn it......... yes, without doubt we (most women and many men) do expect the sacrifice of the freedom to own deadly toys without a lot of safe-guards. Having lost two children in an accident, I cannot imagine how horrible it would be to have their lives deliberately taken.
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Finally, in your last line...............thank you for acknowledging that my possession of arms IS a right!!!

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Doesn't mean I won't fight/support to get that right completely revoked without strict laws governing such a possession. The reasons you have presented so far for continuing such a right leave me very dubious about weakening the rules. Hunting animals who's populations are too large to sustain life over a winter or target shooting as a hobby is fine. Self-protection is a very grey area. Many in possession of guns for such, are shot by their own weapon or used to "protect themselves" against family members or against someone who has disagreed with them.

We (in Canada) are not a very violent country and a plethora of arms would change that just as it has in the US.

 

[petros]

thank you for acknowledging that my possession of arms IS a right!!!

You're gonna get ****ed over.You're gonna get ****ed over You're gonna get ****ed over

Just like how Sh!tz is killing the CWB even though it was democractically decided the producers want it.

 

[bluebyrd35]

You conveniently ignored the demographics of both cities...and and the joblessness in Detroit

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Nope I didn't. Why do you think that Windsor has a low jobless rate??. Further, what sort of problem do you have with Zero to 353,342 by the most recent count and 713,777 after Detroit lost 200,000 in one year. Rather flawed thinking to believe because one is without a job and has a gun, one must go out and kill someone??




It would also help if you learned to quote and multiquote properly...
See..how-use-quote

I prefer my own method and I consider it quite suited to my needs. And hey if it bothers those who's skewed views irritate
me, all the more enjoyable.....

 

[Colpy]

Oh my word, have you even looked at that "first modern democracy" without that "right to bear arms" (for all the good it has done them) clouding your vision ?? It (US)has the wealth & power in the hands of 1% of the people, AND the rest have the right to bear arms. LOL.

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Yeah right.....the ONLY reason Canada came to freedom gradually was because the Yanks fought the freedom fight for us..........their rebellion inspired the French Revolution........and those two events so worried the British elite that when the Rebellion of 1837 occurred in the Canadas they immediately sent "Radical Jack" Durham here to find a way to ease tensions....his report led to the establishment of responsible gov't in the country.

The American War of Independence was the springboard for democracy everywhere on earth. Read a little history.....educate yourself.

BTW, the right to keep and bear arms originally appears in the BRITISH Bill of Rights of 1689........people that actually fought for their freedom, instead of stupidly believing it to be a constant, know how important it is.

bluebyrd35;1490880
The Americans do not have now what the Libyians had in 2009 before they decided Ghaddaffi was a madman. In 2009 Lybians had the best HDI(human development Index) in Africa.....in fact they have FREE healthcare, education & housing. They were still working on getting the housing sorted out............ the US still hasn't managed even one of those programs.

But hey the US population has the right to bear arms, the main purpose of which was supposed to provide an civil army against attack if needed. These days, that, right along with how very little world news is broadcast, and you have a ,dictatorship in the guise of democracy. The people are kept whipped into fears of terrorism, their neighbours, people who have a different manner of dress, religion, or culture.

Libya had a superior society to the USA. That statement alone makes me doubt your sanity. Not even worthy of reply.

First of all, the cancelling of the Long Gun Registry will leave the required licensing requirements fully in place.........it will still be illegal to be in possession of ANY firearm without a license.

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AND does that include proving they know how to properly use ANY gun and that they are mentally stable??

Yes. Training (or a test challenge) and testing, as well as a criminal background check, and a short telephone interview with your spouse and your references are all prerequisites to getting a license.

Kinda think their liberty to keep their children trumps your right to bear arms. Lepine managed to shoot 28 women with a mini-14 rifle before being stopped. Then another nutball managed to shoot 20 students before shooting himself. He had a Baretta CX4 & a Storm semi-automatic rifle. It is usually women & children who are the victims so damn it......... yes, without doubt we (most women and many men) do expect the sacrifice of the freedom to own deadly toys without a lot of safe-guards. Having lost two children in an accident, I cannot imagine how horrible it would be to have their lives deliberately taken.

You can't make society safe. Lepine was the son of an Algerian wife abuser.....his real name was Gamil Gabri. The Mini 14 is one of the most popular hunting rifles in Canada........and no more or less lethal than any other. The idiot at Dawson College shot 20 people, killed one. Thank God he used a semi-auto carbine shooting a underpowered pistol cartridge instead of the 12 ga. shotgun he had as well...........or you'd have 20 people dead.

Both had firearms licenses.

Women are LESS likely than men to be murdered in Canada. That is the statistical truth.

I am sincerely sorry for the loss of your children....I can't even imagine........

Once again! .....read the FACTS, do the research

the claim that murder rates and gun availability world-wide are in any way related is a complete fallacy. Take a look at the list of countries with the highest gun ownership....

List of countries by gun ownership - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then look at the countries by murder rate......

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are about to discover you have been drinking the kool-aid of the anti-gunners........

Take the top ten gun-owning nations on earth. The MEAN of the murder rates in those countries is 3.02 per 100,000.

the world average is 6.9 per 100,000.

Of the top ten gun-owning countries in the world, Iraq has the highest murder rate at 7.3 per 100,000.

Iraq ranks SEVENTY-FOURTH on the world scale.................all the other big gun owning countries are even lower, and include some of the safest nations on earth. three have murder rates of LESS than 1 per 100,000.

If there is any corelation between gun ownership and murder rates, it is a NEGATIVE one.

Gun control is completely useless, perhaps worse than useless.

The proof is in the numbers.

 

[bluebyrd35]

Yeah right.....the ONLY reason Canada came to freedom gradually was because the Yanks fought the freedom fight for us..........their rebellion inspired the French Revolution........and those two events so worried the British elite that when the Rebellion of 1837 occurred in the Canadas they immediately sent "Radical Jack" Durham here to find a way to ease tensions....his report led to the establishment of responsible gov't in the country.
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Oh I see, the war of 1812, which by the way Canada, Britain and Native Indians won, and is the main reason we are still masters of our own fate, never happened?? Geez, not too sure why we have all those Memorials to the battles fought against the US in this area. Don't even get into how the YANKS fought for us. It wasn't those YANKS who held Hitler's forces off for so long either . The whole world was fighting a madman and guess who was getting rich instead!!

What rubbish you spout. Why on earth do you defend the US's first go at expansionism by force, particularly against your own country.
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The American War of Independence was the springboard for democracy everywhere on earth. Read a little history.....educate yourself

Apparently you need more educating than I do. Democracy goes back to ancient Athens/Greece and even there it was partial like the US's form as well.......you know.... everyone free and equal except for slaves. Canada got it's constitution and it's name in 1867 but it was already much more democratic that the US.

BTW, the right to keep and bear arms originally appears in the BRITISH Bill of Rights of 1689........people that actually fought for their freedom, instead of stupidly believing it to be a constant, know how important it is.

And then they enacted decent laws.....

"Gun politics in the United Kingdom generally places its main considerations on how best to ensure public safety and how deaths involving firearms can most effectively be prevented. The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world, and did so even before strict gun control legislation came into force. In England and Wales (the most populous part of the United Kingdom) the rate is below the EU average, about four times lower than that of the United States but on almost the same level as in Canada.[1] Its police officers do not routinely carry a firearm" Wikipedia

This change came about because of the mass shootings by registered gun owners. Keep trying to tell us we need less rather than more control over firearms. Denigrating the contribution of Canadian forces to bolster your idiotic outlook is despicable. They have fought for that freedom all over the world AND we did not start them or arm them beforehand for profit either.
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Libya had a superior society to the USA. That statement alone makes me doubt your sanity. Not even worthy of reply.

No of course not, after all, it would mean the effort of educating yourself about the true facts. Tell me about the free healthcare and college education in the US.



Yes. Training (or a test challenge) and testing, as well as a criminal background check, and a short telephone interview with your spouse and your references are all prerequisites to getting a license.

hmmm....so how come those shootings occurred at Dawson college and the Polytechnic schools if the rules are so strict??

 

[petros]

How may years has this been used as an election platform now? 20- 25 years?

 

[DaSleeper]

You conveniently ignored the demographics of both cities...and and the joblessness in Detroit



It would also help if you learned to quote and multi quote properly...
See..how-use-quote

Nope I didn't. Why do you think that Windsor has a low jobless rate??. Further, what sort of problem do you have with Zero to 353,342 by the most recent count and 713,777 after Detroit lost 200,000 in one year. Rather flawed thinking to believe because one is without a job and has a gun, one must go out and kill someone??

There is more to demographics than just population number....a FACT(Using your bold capitalized printing) that you seem to ignore constantly.

I prefer my own method and I consider it quite suited to my needs. And hey if it bothers those who's skewed views irritate
me, all the more enjoyable.....

Lady: that single paragraph shows about as much of your character as anyone needs to know...that you really don't give a sweet comment ca va about anyone but yourself..
And you irritate me about as much as a single mosquitoe in the north, where I live, and we have millions of them.:smile:
BTW as you can see...I fixed it for ya.

 

[bluebyrd35]

Women are LESS likely than men to be murdered in Canada. That is the statistical truth.
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You bet, mostly because of our gun laws.... So strengthen them or at least keep them the same.
Even in the US that is probably true considering young men there are kept quite busy, murdering themselves. Why do you think automobile insurance companies charge young males such high rates.......couldn't be because right from the getgo, they know they have less control over their impulses.

Once again! .....read the FACTS, do the research.......
I do, that is what annoys you soooo much. Quit assuming those with alternative views are stupid or have not done the research.



the claim that murder rates and gun availability world-wide are in any way related is a complete fallacy. Take a look at the list of countries with the highest gun ownership....

I have seen all those lists and I see what you do not!! It does not list what controls exists in each country.

List of countries by gun ownership - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then look at the countries by murder rate......

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am very aware of those stats.

If there is any corelation between gun ownership and murder rates, it is a NEGATIVE one.

The correlation lies with gun ownership & strict control vs firearm homicide rates. Stats on how many guns are owned versus homicides by firearms is useless. These are weapons and MUST be very strictly controlled.

Look at Mauritus - population 1,283,415.......Guns owned 180,000....... homicides by firearm 0. They have a unique system of firearm & amunition marking

Come up with statistics of strong gun control and an out of control homicide rate by firearms in a civilian population & you might win a point or two.

Quote sleeper:
"Lady: that single paragraph shows about as much of your character as anyone needs to know...that you really don't give a sweet comment ca va about anyone but yourself..
And you irritate me about as much as a single mosquitoe in the north, where I live, and we have millions of them.:smile:"

Yeah, my character is really awful, imagine wanting to augment or keep decent protection against firearm death and injury in Canada. As for demographics, can't get around that zero can you. LOL

Using my character or how I post doesn't hide or smear that zero deaths by firearms to however many deaths by firearms you wish to assign to Detroit's population. It won't come out to zero, no matter how many excuses or objections you come up with. So just suck it up.

 

[Colpy]

Women are LESS likely than men to be murdered in Canada. That is the statistical truth.
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You bet, mostly because of our gun laws.... So strengthen them or at least keep them the same.
Even in the US that is probably true considering young men there are kept quite busy, murdering themselves. Why do you think automobile insurance companies charge young males such high rates.......couldn't be because right from the getgo, they know they have less control over their impulses.

Once again! .....read the FACTS, do the research.......
I do, that is what annoys you soooo much. Quit assuming those with alternative views are stupid or have not done the research.



the claim that murder rates and gun availability world-wide are in any way related is a complete fallacy. Take a look at the list of countries with the highest gun ownership....

I have seen all those lists and I see what you do not!! It does not list what controls exists in each country.

List of countries by gun ownership - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then look at the countries by murder rate......

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am very aware of those stats.

If there is any corelation between gun ownership and murder rates, it is a NEGATIVE one.

The correlation lies with gun ownership & strict control vs firearm homicide rates. Stats on how many guns are owned versus homicides by firearms is useless. These are weapons and MUST be very strictly controlled.

Look at Mauritus - population 1,283,415.......Guns owned 180,000....... homicides by firearm 0. They have a unique system of firearm & amunition marking

Come up with statistics of strong gun control and an out of control homicide rate by firearms in a civilian population & you might win a point or two.

Quote sleeper:
"Lady: that single paragraph shows about as much of your character as anyone needs to know...that you really don't give a sweet comment ca va about anyone but yourself..
And you irritate me about as much as a single mosquitoe in the north, where I live, and we have millions of them.:smile:"

Yeah, my character is really awful, imagine wanting to augment or keep decent protection against firearm death and injury in Canada. As for demographics, can't get around that zero can you. LOL

Using my character or how I post doesn't hide or smear that zero deaths by firearms to however many deaths by firearms you wish to assign to Detroit's population. It won't come out to zero, no matter how many excuses or objections you come up with. So just suck it up.

Thank you so much.

You claim you read the facts, SO EXPLAIN WHY the countries with the most firearms in civilian hands on average have a murder rate less than ONE HALF the world average. That is what the facts show. The USA, which has the highest gun ownership on earth, has a murder rate very significantly LESS than the world average.

 

[CDNBear]

HAH!! Touch your right to shoot guns and most of you go ballastic!!

You call that post ballistic?

And you wonder why I state that you just make stuff up?

I read the rest of your posts in this thread, and quite frankly, having watched you dismiss statistical norms, for you own erroneous math, dismissal of facts, ignoring facts and otherwise fantasy based beliefs...

Putting any effort into a reply to you, would be a complete waste of time. Even for the shear entertainment value.