But just a minute!
I'm not afraid to let people have guns.......nor am I afraid of people with guns............
How does that make me paranoid????
I think the people that are fightened of liberty are paranoid......
Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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But just a minute!
I'm not afraid to let people have guns.......nor am I afraid of people with guns............
How does that make me paranoid????
I think the people that are fightened of liberty are paranoid......
Sure it did, hell the frontier was as full of dead people. Not to mention that probably the worst thing you could do is give everyone in a big city a gun until they prove they are the psychotic sociopath people suspect they are. Not to mention how many firemen, paper boys, and Avon ladies would get whittled into kindling for doing their job.
In the country, back in the day, there was always a rifle over the door for coons in the corn.
My much-lamented dear old Dad was the gentlest soul ever born.....unless you happened to be a white-tailed deer with antlers...
(or a thieving racoon)And he was right. About the home invasion thing.
And not fearing people with rifles is the antithesis of paranoia.
I assume you did not register your vehicle, because you fear the state will confiscate it.
I am sure you did not register your marriage. If you did, perhaps your wife would be taken away by the authorities?
The death of your relatives?
Did you register the birth of your children? Good Gawd, if you did!
Don't register your long guns. Remember, it's a question of liberty!
Paranoid, good gracious, no!
I am sure you did not register your marriage. If you did, perhaps your wife would be taken away by the authorities?
The death of your relatives?
Did you register the birth of your children? Good Gawd, if you did!
Don't register your long guns. Remember, it's a question of liberty!
Paranoid, good gracious, no!
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That might not be altogher bad, people would soon learn to be more careful. :smile:
That would all be perfectly logical, except for the following facts:
1. I do not have to register my vehicle.......as long as I do not use it on public roads. Tell you what; I will happily register every firearm I intend to use on public roads.
2. There is no history of the government stealing vehicles for no particular reason.
3. I do not have to register my marriage, I could have simply lived common law.
4. There is no history of the gov't stealing wives.....lately, anyway.
5. There is no history of the gov't stealing my dead relatives.
6. There is no history of the gov't stealing children.....well, not really, well, unless you are a native......
7. The gov't has been stealing firearms, without compensation, for 30 years. Indeed, one half of all restricted weapons (over 500,000) are slated for uncompensated seizure....the laws are passed, just waiting for the owners to pass, so they can be stolen from their estates. Several different classes of firearms have been pronounced prohibited, and stolen from their owners immediately, without compensation, including short barreled semi-autos, semi-auto shotguns, .50 cal long range target rifles...etc etc.
8. Both the NDP and the Liberals ran in 2006 on platforms that promised the theft of more firearms from the public....all handguns, and all semi-automatics (which make up about 20% of all long guns)
9. It ain't paranoia if they really are out to get you.
Thats just the thing: I don't see many around that are adamantly against gun control buit rather against the stupidity, bureaucratization and unjust forms, such as the long gun registry. Even many devout NRA following Americans aren't anti-gun control as much as they are against unreasonable restrictions on something that is ingrained in their culture.
Now we can and will argue about the need/reason to restrict things like semi-auto hunting firearms or handguns but most non-registry people are not believers in free and unmitigated access to firearms to any Joe or Jane Blow who walks off the street into a sporting goods store. Responsible gun owners believe in proper storage and safe handling, and most don't have issues with background checks to look for mental instability (as tough as that may be to finger) or criminal histories.
Are people that afraid of their neighbor that they want to know if he/she owns a firearm? A responsible gun owner be the most unlikely person to harm you accidentally or on purpose with a firearm. No need to restrict semi-auto weapons at all. If your good for one, your good for all.
If you feel that the law abiding gun owner is a myth, it might be time to move to that utopia you have in your mind, because good people with guns are all around you, maybe standing next to you now. Look both ways when crossing the street.
I own guns and I'm law abiding (Last conviction was for being drunk underage 51 years ago)
No they aren't. One of the reasons most gun owners wanted the gun registry gone is because it interfered with the transfer of unregistered guns. It's no secret that you can buy a gun for a couple of hundred bucks off some so called law abiding gun owners. Crossing the street has nothing to do with it.
Are you now?
That's a pretty extreme position and I'm curious what you base that on. Do you have any stats or information to support this type of generalization?
Speaking intuitively, based on my personal experience, I have to disagree. Just about all my relatives, including my sister and parents own firearms and the only criminal records they have are speeding/parking tickets and the like. Of my friends, the most serious criminal offender is one old friend with a couple DUIs (and yes we did rag hard on him about them when he got them and after the fact because there was no real excuse). No one I know has been in court for assault, robbery and the like, but most of them have a hunting rifle, shotgun or .22 and I can say thats true for most of my acquaintances as well. Now, some of them, like my dad, may be criminals by definition because he refused to register his hunting firearms under a law that he called "more unnecessary Liberal bulls***", but how is that much different from protestors who invoke civil disobedience on other issues?
Yep for 51 years. The $10 fine in 1959 taught me a valuable lesson. :smile:
In his book, Frontier Violence: Another Look, author W. Eugene Hollon, provides us with these astonishing facts:
- In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year.
- In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.
Zooming forward over a century to 2007, a quick look at Uniform Crime Report statistics shows us the following regarding the aforementioned gun control “paradise” cities of the east:
- DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents)
- New York – 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents)
- Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents)
- Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)
The truth of the matter is that the “wild west” wasn’t wild at all … not compared to a Saturday night in Newark.
Dispelling the myth of 'The Wild West' - Minneapolis gun rights | Examiner.com
Explain to me then why, since 1989 when Florida became the first state to force police to issue concealed carry licenses to honest citizens, the murder rate in the USA has dropped over 40%?????
The program was so successful in Florida that most other states followed suit, in 80% of US states it is ridiculously easy to legally carry a concealed handgun.....and their murder rate continues to drop....to levels lower than Canada in some of the most gun-crazy states (Check out the first posts on this thread)
BTW, carrying a handgun does NOT make one nervous......
Canadian gun owners are less likely than other Canadians to commit homicide.
Based upon statistics from the Homicide Survey and the Canadian Firearms Program, the probability of a licensed Canadian firearms owner committing murder is less than one-half that of the typical Canadian.
In any given year, there were between 7 and 17 people accused of homicide who possessed a valid firearms licence or an FAC (Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics, 2006).
In 1997, 17 people with Firearms Licenses murdered people.
In 1998, 10 people with Firearms Licenses murdered people.
In 1999, 11 people with Firearms Licenses murdered people.
In 2000, 7 people with Firearms Licenses murdered people.
In 2001, 11 people with Firearms Licenses murdered people.
In 2002, 14 people with Firearms Licenses murdered people.
In 2003, 14 people with Firearms Licenses murdered people.
In 2004, 16 people with Firearms Licenses murdered people.
In 2005, 11 people with Firearms Licenses murdered people.
According to the Canadian Firearms Program, the number of people with valid firearm licences is just under 2,000,000 (RCMP, various years).
December 2005 1,979,054
December 2002 1,912,939
Depending upon the year, the homicide rate for licensed Canadian firearms owners varied from 0.35 per 100,000 to 0.85 per 100,000 firearm owners. In other words, less than one licensed firearm owner per 100,000 gun owners is accused of murder in any given year.
Over the same time period, the Canadian national homicide rate ranged from 1.74 per 100,000 to 2.06 per 100,000 people in the general population (Beattie, 2009). In other words, approximately two people out of every 100,000 Canadian residents are accused of murder. Thus, the likelihood of a licensed Canadian firearms owner committing murder is less than one-half that of the typical Canadian. It follows that, on average, Canadians who do not own firearms are more likely to commit homicide than those who do.
Presentation by Dr. Gary Mauser | NFA, National Firearms Association, Canada gun information
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I've lived on both sides of the border and there's no simple solution to guns, anybody who claims the US has a better model than Canada hasn't spent much time there.
Owning guns can actually make you a target for crime, not prevent it. I had a gun-nut buddy in Idaho who was paranoid about somebody making off with his expensive collection with good reason. He had the best security systems he could afford and a vault style gun locker, it was like entering Fort Knox to see his arsenal. Unless you're mentally prepared to use deadly force and adequately trained in firearm use and safety then you shouldn't be allowed to buy firearms for personal safety, you're probably going to be more of a danger to yourself and others.
Things have changed now but in the early 1990s I simply walked into an Idaho gun store, pointed at a blackpowder rifle I wanted and the clerk rang it up right away after barely looking at my drivers licence which was still for BC at the time.
Owning guns can actually make you a target for crime, not prevent it. I had a gun-nut buddy in Idaho who was paranoid about somebody making off with his expensive collection with good reason. He had the best security systems he could afford and a vault style gun locker, it was like entering Fort Knox to see his arsenal. Unless you're mentally prepared to use deadly force and adequately trained in firearm use and safety then you shouldn't be allowed to buy firearms for personal safety, you're probably going to be more of a danger to yourself and others.
Things have changed now but in the early 1990s I simply walked into an Idaho gun store, pointed at a blackpowder rifle I wanted and the clerk rang it up right away after barely looking at my drivers licence which was still for BC at the time.
Not to forget that in 1994, in response to a rash of tourist killings because crooks felt safe since tourists could be easily identified with the distinctive rental plates and since tourists didn't have concealed carry in florida...... the department of motor vehicles decided to change the distinctive rental plates on rentals to look like any other......