Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[Hoid]

Then, as with all your certainties, you are wrong. There is no simple answer. You seem to mistake me for Colpy. He is the one who finds all the answers in demographics. I can't imagine why you'd expect me to do the same.

Surely you were not so great a fool as to think that everyone who disagrees with you thinks the same way?

I agree there is no simple answer

Poor people are more likely to be arrested, charged and convicted of very serious crimes because they are many times more apt to commit very serious crimes.

Simple as that.

Just for fun, as anecdotal evidence, spend a few evenings watching 48 Hours. You know, they start with the victims......and my oh my it usually turns out the perpetrator is poor.

fixed

 

[Bar Sinister]

Not really. All you've done is state that the U.S. has a higher murder rate than Britain or Canada. You haven't analyzed why this is.

Here's a hint: "It's cuz a gunz!" isn't an analysis.

The give me a better one. So far as I know every nation that has experienced an increase in the availability of firearms has experienced an increase in gun deaths.

Ya mean. . . Switzerland, where every adult male has an automatic rifle, has less than half the murder rate of Canada?

Oh, dear.

Oh dear indeed. Why don't you research the amount of training and screening a gun owner in Switzerland has to have? BTW Switzerland also has a higher rate of gun deaths per capita than Canada.

Murders per 100,000 people.

El Salvador 108.64 (5.8 guns per 100 people)
Honduras 63.75 (6.2 guns per 100 people)
Venezuela 57.15 (10.7 guns per 100 people)
USA 4.88 (101 guns per 100 people)
Canada 1.68 (30.8 guns per 100 people)
Switzerland 0.69 (24.5 guns per 100 people)

Enough said?

Not quite. Switzerland 3.01 gun deaths per capita.

And do you really want to compare the US to El Salvador, Honduras, and Venezuela regarding anything? With your twisted logic why didn't you include Iraq or Somalia?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

The give me a better one. So far as I know every nation that has experienced an increase in the availability of firearms has experienced an increase in gun deaths.

I can give you Step One off the top of my head: treating all gun homicides (or even gun deaths) as a single phenomenon, assuming there's a single solution, obviously doesn't work, and is therefore a flawed and ineffective approach.

Now, here's a question for you. You seem to think that banning guns is the solution. Given that gun ownership polls above 70% favorable in every poll conducted, how do you expect a democracy to ban guns?

Here's another: given that there are upwards of 300,000,000 guns in private hands in the U.S., exactly how do you propose to round 'em all up?

 

[Colpy]

Man oh man

You have supped deeply of the progressive kool-aid.

Blacks are more likely to be arrested, charged and convicted of very serious crimes because they are many times more apt to commit very serious crimes.

Simple as that.

Just for fun, as anecdotal evidence, spend a few evenings watching 48 Hours. You know, they start with the victims......and my oh my it usually turns out the perpetrator is Black.

Hoid:

Poor peopleare more likely to be arrested, charged and convicted of very serious crimes because they are many times more apt to commit very serious crimes.

Simple as that.

Well, I can't seem to make youtube videos work here......but please, go to youtube and watch this vid:

Ben Shapiro Performs A Black Lives Matter Smackdown



Shapiro is the brightest right-wing commentator in the USA, and he answers your contention quite well at the first of this vid. In fact, he blows it out of the water.

 

[taxslave]

I can give you Step One off the top of my head: treating all gun homicides (or even gun deaths) as a single phenomenon, assuming there's a single solution, obviously doesn't work, and is therefore a flawed and ineffective approach.

Now, here's a question for you. You seem to think that banning guns is the solution. Given that gun ownership polls above 70% favorable in every poll conducted, how do you expect a democracy to ban guns?

Here's another: given that there are upwards of 300,000,000 guns in private hands in the U.S., exactly how do you propose to round 'em all up?

Well all the honest people will just deliver tem to the local cop shop. THe criminals OTH probably will need a bit of prodding.

 

[JLM]

Well all the honest people will just deliver tem to the local cop shop. THe criminals OTH probably will need a bit of prodding.

How many people don't seem to be able to get that through their thick heads?

 

[Colpy]

The give me a better one. So far as I know every nation that has experienced an increase in the availability of firearms has experienced an increase in gun deaths.

Oh dear indeed. Why don't you research the amount of training and screening a gun owner in Switzerland has to have? BTW Switzerland also has a higher rate of gun deaths per capita than Canada.

Not quite. Switzerland 3.01 gun deaths per capita.

And do you really want to compare the US to El Salvador, Honduras, and Venezuela regarding anything? With your twisted logic why didn't you include Iraq or Somalia?

First of all, why don't you research the amount of training and screening a gun owner in Canada has to have? Because it is more restrictive than in Switzerland. Much more.

Secondly, do you think the people of El Salvador, Honduras and Venezuela are violent because there are not white, or because they are poor?

Are you racist or elitist?

Because all three of those nations have strict gun control. Because all three of those nations have strict gun control, and a low level of gun ownership, so that can't be the reason.

As for Switzerland, 2.74 per 100,000 of those deaths are suicide...........fully 91%. Are you seriously suggesting people's rights be truncated because some chose to voluntarily end their life?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

 

[Hoid]

Well all the honest people will just deliver tem to the local cop shop. THe criminals OTH probably will need a bit of prodding.

What law does this not apply to?

 

[Colpy]

What law does this not apply to?

A law that demands you surrender your property without compensation is illegitimate, and should be ignored.

A law that demands you surrender your rights is illegitimate, and should be ignored.

The minute they start telling you it is better if you give up your rights for the good of the state, it is time to start stockpiling ammunition, not turning in your guns.

Chances are good you're gonna need them.

 

[Hoid]

A law that demands you surrender your property without compensation is illegitimate, and should be ignored.

A law that demands you surrender your rights is illegitimate, and should be ignored.

The minute they start telling you it is better if you give up your rights for the good of the state, it is time to start stockpiling ammunition, not turning in your guns.

Chances are good you're gonna need them.

Merely commenting that pretty much any law is going to be followed by the honest and ignored by the criminal.

This entire argument could just as easily be about seat belts.

 

[JLM]

What law does this not apply to?

Who cares? Guns is the topic of discussion!

 

[Hoid]

Who cares? Guns is the topic of discussion!

anyone who was trying to make some sort of valid point or observation about the topic?

 

[DaSleeper]

Who cares? Guns is the topic of discussion!

Jlm, you should know that Avro is as bad as Cannut, for screwing up conversations....

 

[Colpy]

Merely commenting that pretty much any law is going to be followed by the honest and ignored by the criminal.

This entire argument could just as easily be about seat belts.

Yep. I know.

The Nanny State must hold sway over all.

And you're right, criminals ignore the law. Which is one of the big reasons gun control is a waste of time.

 

[Hoid]

Yep. I know.

The Nanny State must hold sway over all.

And you're right, criminals ignore the law. Which is one of the big reasons gun control is a waste of time.

Then why are you pro background checks etc?

Gun control is not a waste of time - good gun control as defined by you is fine by you.

 

[Colpy]

Then why are you pro background checks etc?

Gun control is not a waste of time - good gun control as defined by you is fine by you.

As I told you, I am not convinced even licensing and background checks prevent murder, but I am willing to submit to those because they are reasonable attempts to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals.

Anything much beyond that is simply harassment of lawful gun owners.

Let me explain this to you in as simple a manner as possible.

I am five days away from my 63rd birthday. I am vetted, checked out, and approved, not only as a gun owner, but in my previous career as a firearms trainer and armoured car crew chief, to instruct others in defensive use of firearms and to carry on the street. I'm retired now, but I spent the last 20 years of my working life in very high security jobs. Once again, I'm as background checked as it gets.

In other words, I am the very definition of a trusted Canadian citizen. I am not part of the criminal subculture.

I could get an illegal firearm before tomorrow morning, if I chose to ignore the law.

So......tell me how the lack of a license would prevent me from committing mayhem?

Have you noticed in stats that the number of handguns used in crimes in Canada is on the rise? How can that be, considering they are the most heavily controlled legal firearm out there?

Simple. Guns are a commodity in the criminal underworld, and they draw from an underground supply, completely unaffected by whatever idiot law the state imposes. Some are stolen, some were never registered, the vast majority are smuggled in from the USA.

You do know marijuana, cocaine, and hashish are illegal.

Couldn't you get some if you wanted?

Same same.

 

[Hoid]

As I told you, I am not convinced even licensing and background checks prevent murder, but I am willing to submit to those because they are reasonable attempts to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals.

Anything much beyond that is simply harassment of lawful gun owners.

Let me explain this to you in as simple a manner as possible.

I am five days away from my 63rd birthday. I am vetted, checked out, and approved, not only as a gun owner, but in my previous career as a firearms trainer and armoured car crew chief, to instruct others in defensive use of firearms and to carry on the street. I'm retired now, but I spent the last 20 years of my working life in very high security jobs. Once again, I'm as background checked as it gets.

In other words, I am the very definition of a trusted Canadian citizen. I am not part of the criminal subculture.

I could get an illegal firearm before tomorrow morning, if I chose to ignore the law.

So......tell me how the lack of a license would prevent me from committing mayhem?

Have you noticed in stats that the number of handguns used in crimes in Canada is on the rise? How can that be, considering they are the most heavily controlled legal firearm out there?

Simple. Guns are a commodity in the criminal underworld, and they draw from an underground supply, completely unaffected by whatever idiot law the state imposes. Some are stolen, some were never registered, the vast majority are smuggled in from the USA.

You do know marijuana, cocaine, and hashish are illegal.

Couldn't you get some if you wanted?

Same same.

I have no problems with you until you get to the part about the lack of a license not preventing mayhem. That can't be the litmus test or nothing would ever be a law. There is no law that could ever prevent mayhem.

You believe that back ground checks are a reasonable measure. So it doesn't have to prevent mayhem to be reasonable.

I believe that you are going to see a huge increase in handgun deaths in Canada because we now have a drug problem. We kind of skated around the crack epidemic that trashed America - but the opioids are here to stay.

Have heard that 70% of the hand gun deaths in Toronto are done with illegal hand guns from America.

I wish like hell that Canada had some sort of a firearms expert who could tell us how to prevent this - but all of them seem to be too busy arguing about bullshit.

 

[JamesBondo]

Hold, do you believe background checks will prevent terrorists and mass shooters from acquiring firearms?

ROTFLMAO!!!

 

[JLM]

Hold, do you believe background checks will prevent terrorists and mass shooters from acquiring firearms?

ROTFLMAO!!!

It might slow some of the stupid criminals down.

 

[Hoid]

Hold, do you believe background checks will prevent terrorists and mass shooters from acquiring firearms?

ROTFLMAO!!!

Of course not.

Nobody believes that.

Do I believe it has to stop mass shooters in order to be a valid form of gun control?

ROTFLMAO!!