There are other possibilities. Backbenchers can vote against their own government ; this is called exercising representative democracy when leadership fails the people.
Group of Tory Backbenchers Pushing To Limit Prime Minister's Power
- Thread starter tay
- Start date
The problem they see with that is that they can and will be booted out of caucus for doing so. If they manage to defeat him on a confidence vote, they just go back to the polls with the same leader.
Indeed. Then the leader can just refuse to sign the nomination papers of those members effectively killing their chances of being re-elected. The leaders should not have that kind of power. When it comes to nominating a candidate I think the riding associations should be the ones making the decisions - not the party leaders. Chretien, Martin and Harper have done this to eliminate people who said or did things that they didn't like.
I think the 15% needed to trigger a review of the leader to be a bit low. Other than that I like the bill. As it stands now MPs are more or less just 'yes men' for their party leaders.
Whether this bill goes through or not that type of thing will still happen. Its happened before and probably will again both at the federal and provincial levels.
MP's already have the option of sitting as an independent or even doing the despicable by betraying their voters and crossing the floor. This proposal would further muck up a process that is pretty screwed up to begin with.
It really depends on the situation. Some of the MPs were elected while being very outspoken about certain issues that Harper will not allow them to speak about(namely abortion). So would it be undemocratic for them to join another political party if it would further an issue that they fought for during the election?
(The abortion example is very theoretical since they have no other party to join that is more accepting of their viewpoint, but this could apply to any issue).
I do not think it is a bad thing to always have some method to hold elected officials to account. Gotta keep them honest.
Reform/Progressive divide is biting Harper on the a$s. They (Reformers) feel used and I don't blame them
This issue does seem to be bubbling to the surface more and more recently. Harper's national appeal really depends on keeping the more "extreme" social conservatives at bay, but it is starting to look like they are not willing to be silent much longer.
In the UK Backbenchers have an assoc and can wield tremendous power over whether a bill passes or not.
Does the UK way of deposing a PM lead to a convention?
Recall how they did in Thatcher- all over the Poll Tax which created the issue.
Party politics does create many of it's own problems unless the only goal is to cling to power. It would be nice if the PM was elected independent of party somehow.
That would essentially be a US style system with a president and a congress elected separately.
The main downside of that system is that it can be much harder to get anything done and it is much more prone to pork barrel spending.
They also stopped her from doing several things they didnt like but kept her on as leader. That would be difficult here. The PM can chose to make any vote a confidence vote if they suspect that their own caucus may be divided on a particular vote. I prefer the way they did it to what happens here.
Personally I vote for an MP, not a party. Thats the way the system is supposed to work with parliamentary systems. I dont care how much I may like a party or its leader if I dont like the candidate running in my riding I will not vote for them. Id rather vote for a person than a brand. Unfortunately with the tight control party leaders have over their caucus its difficult to not get a brand in the end no matter how you vote. Parties shouldnt even be on the ballot in my opinion. They should officially have no recognition at all.
Indeed. I suppose they could make the position of Governor General an electable office with actual powers and do it that way. I dont think that will ever happen though. Anything that involves changing the constitution in any way seems to scare everyone away.
Pro-Palestinians hold demo in Toronto
Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper (R) and Israeli Premier Benjamin Netanyahu
Mon Dec 2, 2013 8:2AM GMT
7
Pro-Palestinian activists have held a demonstration outside the Jewish National Fund in Toronto to protest against the pro-Israeli policies of the administration of Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
Demonstrators on Sunday condemned Israel’s policy of apartheid and the fund’s land policies in the Negev Desert.
The protest coincided with a ceremony in honor of the pro-Israel Canadian premier.
Harper told the participants of the event that the Israeli regime would always be able to count on Canada for support.
“Israel will always have Canada,” Harper stated.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu praised Harper as a “true leader” in a televised message after he made the comments about Israel.
“I salute you Stephen, not only as a personal friend, and a friend of Israel but as a great leader,” Netanyahu said.
( The Great Leader has spoken ) (way out of his mandate)" Israel will always have Canada" will we be bound "always" to the vilest state every to have existed? Canadian tolerance knows no bounds with this association. We are pledged to thee global premier criminal element. This does not bode well for Canada, no good whatever can come from the cowardly sniveling Harper establishment tool.
Mon Dec 2, 2013 8:2AM GMT
2
37
Pro-Palestinian activists have held a demonstration outside the Jewish National Fund in Toronto to protest against the pro-Israeli policies of the administration of Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
Demonstrators on Sunday condemned Israel’s policy of apartheid and the fund’s land policies in the Negev Desert.
The protest coincided with a ceremony in honor of the pro-Israel Canadian premier.
Harper told the participants of the event that the Israeli regime would always be able to count on Canada for support.
“Israel will always have Canada,” Harper stated.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu praised Harper as a “true leader” in a televised message after he made the comments about Israel.
“I salute you Stephen, not only as a personal friend, and a friend of Israel but as a great leader,” Netanyahu said.
( The Great Leader has spoken ) (way out of his mandate)" Israel will always have Canada" will we be bound "always" to the vilest state every to have existed? Canadian tolerance knows no bounds with this association. We are pledged to thee global premier criminal element. This does not bode well for Canada, no good whatever can come from the cowardly sniveling Harper establishment tool.
Pro-Palestinians hold demo in Toronto
Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper (R) and Israeli Premier Benjamin Netanyahu
Mon Dec 2, 2013 8:2AM GMT
23
7
Pro-Palestinian activists have held a demonstration outside the Jewish National Fund in Toronto to protest against the pro-Israeli policies of the administration of Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
Demonstrators on Sunday condemned Israel’s policy of apartheid and the fund’s land policies in the Negev Desert.
The protest coincided with a ceremony in honor of the pro-Israel Canadian premier.
Harper told the participants of the event that the Israeli regime would always be able to count on Canada for support.
“Israel will always have Canada,” Harper stated.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu praised Harper as a “true leader” in a televised message after he made the comments about Israel.
“I salute you Stephen, not only as a personal friend, and a friend of Israel but as a great leader,” Netanyahu said.
( The Great Leader has spoken ) (way out of his mandate)" Israel will always have Canada" will we be bound "always" to the vilest state every to have existed? Canadian tolerance knows no bounds with this association. We are pledged to thee global premier criminal element. This does not bode well for Canada, no good whatever can come from the cowardly sniveling Harper establishment tool.
You and looneytunes &? any other joo haters in Canada.
Hey buddy if you're to chicken sh it to use the word Jew in a sentence and have to slink away from association employing a childish misspelling then I don't know where you get the idea you got credit as pertains to the issue. Because you don't. You're afraid of the word Jew. So fok off and stop labeling people you ain't good enough to face in any situation. We have a difference of opinion in that we are equal, I can defend mine position with facts, you can't even spell the word. At least you are honestly self titled as a slave.
Last edited:
JewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJew Darbeaver hates JewsJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJew Darbeaver hates JewsJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJew Darbeaver hates JewsJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJew Darbeaver hates JewsJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJewJew Darbeaver hates Jews!
Salve definition:
(medicine) semisolid preparation (usually containing a medicine) applied externally as a remedy or for soothing an irritation
Hey buddy if you're to chicken sh it to use the word Jew in a sentence and have to slink away from association employing a childish misspelling then I don't know where you get the idea you got credit as pertains to the issue. Because you don't. You're afraid of the word Jew. So spelled with a U--> fok off and stop labeling people you ain't good enough to face in any situation. We have a difference of opinion in that we are equal, I can defend Correct grammar would be my----->mine position with facts, you can't even spell the word. At least you are honestly self titled as a salve.
Salve definition:
(medicine) semisolid preparation (usually containing a medicine) applied externally as a remedy or for soothing an irritation
Pro-Palestinians hold demo in Toronto
Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper (R) and Israeli Premier Benjamin Netanyahu
Mon Dec 2, 2013 8:2AM GMT
23
7
Pro-Palestinian activists have held a demonstration outside the Jewish National Fund in Toronto to protest against the pro-Israeli policies of the administration of Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
Demonstrators on Sunday condemned Israel’s policy of apartheid and the fund’s land policies in the Negev Desert.
The protest coincided with a ceremony in honor of the pro-Israel Canadian premier.
Harper told the participants of the event that the Israeli regime would always be able to count on Canada for support.
“Israel will always have Canada,” Harper stated.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu praised Harper as a “true leader” in a televised message after he made the comments about Israel.
“I salute you Stephen, not only as a personal friend, and a friend of Israel but as a great leader,” Netanyahu said.
( The Great Leader has spoken ) (way out of his mandate)" Israel will always have Canada" will we be bound "always" to the vilest state every to have existed? Canadian tolerance knows no bounds with this association. We are pledged to thee global premier criminal element. This does not bode well for Canada, no good whatever can come from the cowardly sniveling Harper establishment tool.
This post did lead to an amusing exchange but it has absolutely nothing to do with the thread.