GOP supporter stomps head of opponent

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she quite clearly attempted to hit Rand Paul in the face with her sign in the video that shows what happened earlier. 'attempted assault'?

I didn't see that. I saw a lot of people jostling her as she got close to the suv with her sign. If she wanted to commit battery then she would have used a weapon. A sign is not a weapon. I accept that she wanted him to see the sign and approached, but there was no attempted battery here. The only battery came from Gop supporters hitting her and one stomping on her head while she was down on the ground being held.
 

YukonJack

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Of course, if a conservative opponent of President Obama approached him with a pejorative sign, he/she would be embraced by Obama's body guards, praised by Himself and an apology would be offered for not being loving enough.
 

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I didn't see that. I saw a lot of people jostling her as she got close to the suv with her sign. If she wanted to commit battery then she would have used a weapon. A sign is not a weapon. I accept that she wanted him to see the sign and approached, but there was no attempted battery here. The only battery came from Gop supporters hitting her and one stomping on her head while she was down on the ground being held.

Really, when she starts shoving an object into someone else's vehicle, right where their face is, I think she crossed a line between trying to show it to him, and directly forcing the sign to occupy the space meant to be occupied by his head.
 

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It doesn't appear that she was trying to shove the sign into the vehicle though. It seems like she was flipping it around to show him the message on the front of the sign. Either way, there is no real indication that the sign entered the vehicle and she got mauled before she could even flip it around.
 

karrie

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You know, rewatching it, I don't know mentalfloss. Yeah, she does seem to try to turn it, but she does push it at the window.... I can see where it was taken threateningly. I can't help but ask, had some teaparty supporter done the same to a democratic candidate, what would the reaction be?
 

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Really, when she starts shoving an object into someone else's vehicle, right where their face is, I think she crossed a line between trying to show it to him, and directly forcing the sign to occupy the space meant to be occupied by his head.

Mentalfloss has got it! She never once put the sign in the vehicle. She did turn it so that what was printed on the sign was facing the vehicle and was mobbed and as we have seen, pushed to the ground, subdued and the man stepped on her shoulder and then stomped on her.

There is a huge difference between coming near someone in protest and attempting to commit a battery. This crap of almost touching someone is criminal battery has got to stop especially where people are protesting.

You know, rewatching it, I don't know mentalfloss. Yeah, she does seem to try to turn it, but she does push it at the window.... I can see where it was taken threateningly. I can't help but ask, had some teaparty supporter done the same to a democratic candidate, what would the reaction be?

If someone is feeling that threatened shouldn't they have the windows rolled up?
 

karrie

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Mentalfloss has got it! She never once put the sign in the vehicle. She did turn it so that what was printed on the sign was facing the vehicle and was mobbed and as we have seen, pushed to the ground, subdued and the man stepped on her shoulder and then stomped on her.

There is a huge difference between coming near someone in protest and attempting to commit a battery. This crap of almost touching someone is criminal battery has got to stop especially where people are protesting.



If someone is feeling that threatened shouldn't they have the windows rolled up?

At the same time Unf, this crap of thinking you can get into someone's space when you ARE protesting, and not expect your actions to be taken threateningly in that environment, is crap. If I, sitting here, can see how her actions could be taken threateningly, imagine how supporters looking at it from other angles can see it too. And no... that doesn't excuse physical violence... I think bub was ten times more 'wrong' than she was, but, she didn't do 'nothing'.
 

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Let us keep in mind that this woman was/is affiliated with moveon.org.

You know, the organization that is supported by the Jew who made his first fortune in Hungary by selling stuff confiscated by the Nazis from other Jews. The same despicable "person" whose primary purpose in life is to destroy the very same country that he claims to be a citizen of. The same POS who would gladly sell his fellow Jews to the ayatollahs - well, he has experience in being a back-stabber. The same kind of back-stabber who would be just as happy to see America be enslaved by his Communist soul-mates (correction, one can not have a mate of something he does not have); more like cohorts.

The piece of sub-human dirt who is known by the name of Gyorgy (George) Soros.

Whose very presence on this Earth could justify to be anyone to be an anti-Semite.
 

mentalfloss

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At the same time Unf, this crap of thinking you can get into someone's space when you ARE protesting, and not expect your actions to be taken threateningly in that environment, is crap. If I, sitting here, can see how her actions could be taken threateningly, imagine how supporters looking at it from other angles can see it too. And no... that doesn't excuse physical violence... I think bub was ten times more 'wrong' than she was, but, she didn't do 'nothing'.

Well, I would still argue she really didn't do anything substantial here. It's common practice for protesters to cloud around politicians and say their piece. It may constitute an instigation to some degree, but there was no violence there.

Also, to bring in what organization she's from and her own political beliefs does not act as evidence of violent behaviour. That definitely would not fly in court as they would rationally look at any aggression as an isolated event from the motive.

I can see where we would not want to be hypocrites by vilifying one act while ignoring another, but there was no real violence on her part, so it doesn't bear any comparison or resemblance to the head stomp.
 

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Violence is usually the weapon of the Left, capably and expertly lead by Union thugs, who learned the craft by a long history of beatings, leg-breakings, home-burnings, tire-slashings and any and all other sorts of intimidation of those who have the temerity of wanting to support their families and the gall to claim right to work.

Supported by their like-minded goons, known as Black Panthers.
 

mentalfloss

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Violence is usually the weapon of the Left, capably and expertly lead by Union thugs, who learned the craft by a long history of beatings, leg-breakings, home-burnings, tire-slashings and any and all other sorts of intimidation of those who have the temerity of wanting to support their families and the gall to claim right to work.

Supported by their like-minded goons, known as Black Panthers.

Violence is the weapon of violent people.
 

mentalfloss

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"Given her past record of showing up at protests and getting arrested, one could easily speculate that Ms. Valle had no intention of leaving Monday’s event without the occurrence of a public spectacle of some sort."

Well if that's the case then she got what she wanted, lol
 

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The sign does go into the window...where his face is. But as another poster has said...people will see what they want.
 

mentalfloss

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In all fairness, it barely made it through, and it's blatantly obvious that there was no intent to harm anyone inside the vehicle.
 

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In all fairness, it barely made it through, and it's blatantly obvious that there was no intent to harm anyone inside the vehicle.

Well at least you finally admit that it made it through. I commend you for that.

Harm? Who knows. But I bet if I shove a cardboard sign into your face it is going to hurt. It won't kill you, but it will hurt. And most likely you or one of your friends would feel the urge to throw me to the ground and stomp me.
 

mentalfloss

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Here, you make up your mind:








Doesn't appear like we should waste any more hot air on this to me. Certainly no where near anyone's face.