No doubt, you also justify Dresden though.
Are you promoting that no investigations should ever take place when more than 1000 people are killed? Or just when Israel is the attacker?
Goldstone report on Cast Lead - Repudiated - By Goldstone - If I had of known then???
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Are you promoting that no investigations should ever take place when more than 1000 people are killed? Or just when Israel is the attacker?
It only took the signatures of 33 countries to create Israel, of those 33 only a few promote the actions of these last few years as been fair and partial to both sides. If our actions resemble those of a morally bankrupt people then we shouldn't be voting on anything, oh wait the people of Canada didn't get to vote, it was some drunk diplomat with free drinks, food, and women that signed for Canada. Not our finest hour when all is said and done.
Do we even have an obligation to try and live by what we sign of is our fork tongue the rule of the day?
That is when Gaza was created, that is who died in mass numbers, how is that off topic? Would the specific munitions be on topic, or which hill had the best seats for the 'show' (Israel's side of the cage) be on topic?
Ahhh, I love the the sweet sound of deflection and moral relativism in the morning. The usual suspects, just can't concede to fact, as per their norm.
Colpy, Gh, Goober, you beat me to it, thanx for saving me the time and effort.
Goober, of course it's getting off topic. That's what the Joo haters want. They can't defend their position, so they'll throw anything and everything out there, to divert attention from their failings.
Colpy, Gh, Goober, you beat me to it, thanx for saving me the time and effort.
Goober, of course it's getting off topic. That's what the Joo haters want. They can't defend their position, so they'll throw anything and everything out there, to divert attention from their failings.
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Hitler did everything by the book too, that doesn't mean he wasn't morally bankrupt.
If Israel is that same way they will even want more out of Goldstone than what has been given. Would you like a clue as to how liars operate? Say we signed something like UN 181 and then we did just the opposite, that would make us liars. As far as living up to the words in that document we are liars, so are the other 32 countries that signed it (granted only the power brokers of the G-20 count as being able to enforce their words)
The architects of Dresden were just as 'evil' as any Nazi, yet they are held in high regard by the leaders who call the shots today.
Watch, if Israel fits that profile they will want even more from the Judge.
If Israel is that same way they will even want more out of Goldstone than what has been given. Would you like a clue as to how liars operate? Say we signed something like UN 181 and then we did just the opposite, that would make us liars. As far as living up to the words in that document we are liars, so are the other 32 countries that signed it (granted only the power brokers of the G-20 count as being able to enforce their words)
The architects of Dresden were just as 'evil' as any Nazi, yet they are held in high regard by the leaders who call the shots today.
Watch, if Israel fits that profile they will want even more from the Judge.
In Goldstone's statement above, where does it say that the Israeli military did not commit war crimes or that it is not Israeli government policy to collectively punish Gazans aka crimes against humanity? Goldstone wrote that if he knew then what he knows now, the report would have been different.
Does that mean no war crimes were committed? Is that how you interpret different?
Goldstone wrote, "While the investigations published by the Israeli military and recognized in the U.N. committee’s report have established the validity of some incidents that we investigated in cases involving individual soldiers, they also indicate that civilians were not intentionally targeted as a matter of policy". No doubt, but that doesn't mean that civilians weren't deliberately targeted by Israeli soldiers. In fact, the Israeli investigations have found that individual Israeli soldiers did commit war crimes and did deliberately target civilians. So far their punishment has been light to nothing.
I don't interpret Goldstone's statement as a repudiation. If you read it closely, its actually confirmation that war crimes occurred. The Israeli military's self investigation indicates (does not prove) that the Israeli military doesn't have a policy to target civilians. But that doesn't mean that individual soldiers did not commit war crimes. The most serious incident involved herding about 50 people into a house and then dropping a bomb on it. Goldstone isn't saying this incident didn't happen, only that the Israeli self investigation reveals this incident may be a result of negligence rather than a deliberate military policy to target civilians.
Goldstone wrote, "few of Israel’s inquiries have been concluded and believe that the proceedings should have been held in a public forum. Although the Israeli evidence that has emerged since publication of our report doesn’t negate the tragic loss of civilian life, I regret that our fact-finding mission did not have such evidence explaining the circumstances in which we said civilians in Gaza were targeted, because it probably would have influenced our findings about intentionality and war crimes."
The inquiry should have been public and third parties should have been able to challenge testimony and evidence. As a result Israel's self investigation is biased and flawed. Also "influenced" does lead to a conclusion that Israeli soldiers did not commit war crimes either. I also agree with Goldstone that the U.N. Human Rights Council is biased against Israel. That also does not mean Israeli soldiers did not commit war crimes.
Goldstone wrote, " our main recommendation was for each party to investigate, transparently and in good faith, the incidents referred to in our report. McGowan Davis has found that Israel has done this to a significant degree; Hamas has done nothing."
That's certainly true. A flawed and biased self investigation is better than doing nothing. Against this does not mean Israeli soldiers did not commit war crimes.
I have always agreed with Goldstone that Palestinian militant rocket and mortar fire at Israeli civilians are war crimes. Recently Palestinian militants have increased the intensity, which means another Israeli attack is looming.
Goldstone does not say that using heavy artillery and white phosphorus in densely populated areas is not a war crime. He says that as a result of the Goldstone report, the Israeli military has changed its policies regarding tactics it can use in densely populated urban areas. That means limiting but not eliminating their use. But its still a war crime since heavy artillery is indiscriminate.
No doubt the Goldstone report would have been different if Israel had cooperated with their initial investigation I agree with Goldstone, that Israel has done more than nothing unlike Hamas. But Goldstone does not say the Israeli investigation was transparent and in good faith. He says the conclusion of McGowan Davis is that Israel has done this to a "significant degree".
These statements by Goldstone do not negate the Goldstone report. They indicate the report is is incomplete and missing information which should have been provided by Israel during the investigation.
Goldstone's statement does not repudiate these findings:
The Mission holds the view that Israel continues to be duty-bound under the Fourth Geneva Convention and to the full extent of the means available to it to ensure the supply of foodstuff, medical and hospital items and other goods to meet the humanitarian needs of the population of the Gaza Strip without qualification.
The Mission also concludes that the policemen killed on 27 December 2008 cannot be said to have been taking a direct part in hostilities and thus did not lose their civilian immunity from direct attack as civilians on this basis.
On 15 January 2009, the field office compound of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) in Gaza City came under shelling with high explosive and white phosphorous munitions. The Mission notes that the attack was extremely dangerous, as the compound offered shelter to between 600 and 700 civilians and contained a huge fuel depot. The Israeli armed forces continued their attack over several hours despite having been fully alerted to the risks they created.
The Mission concludes that the Israeli armed forces violated the requirement under customary international law to take all feasible precautions in the choice of means and method of attack with a view to avoiding and in any event minimizing incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects.
the Israeli armed forces directly and intentionally attacked al-Quds hospital in Gaza City and the adjacent ambulance depot with white phosphorous shells. The attack caused fires which took a whole day to extinguish and caused panic among the sick and wounded who had to be evacuated.
intense artillery attacks, again including white phosphorous munitions, on al-Wafa hospital in eastern Gaza City, a facility for patients receiving long-term care and suffering from particularly serious injuries.
In the majority of these incidents, the consequences of the Israeli attacks against civilians were aggravated by their subsequent refusal to allow the evacuation of the wounded or to permit access to ambulances.
Based on its investigation of incidents involving the use of certain weapons such as white phosphorous and flechette missiles, the Mission, while accepting that white phosphorous is not at this stage proscribed under international law, finds that the Israeli armed forces were systematically reckless in determining its use in built-up areas.
the destruction of industrial infrastructure, food production, water installations, sewage treatment plants and housing (chap. XIII). Already at the beginning of the military operations, el-Bader flour mill was the only flour mill in the Gaza Strip still operating. The flour mill was hit by a series of air strikes on 9 January 2009, after several false warnings had been issued on previous days. The Mission finds that its destruction had no military justification. The nature of the strikes, in particular the precise targeting of crucial machinery, suggests that the intention was to disable the factory’s productive capacity. From the facts it ascertained, the Mission finds that there has been a violation of the grave breaches provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
The chicken farms of Mr. Sameh Sawafeary in the Zeytoun neighbourhood south of Gaza City reportedly supplied over 10 per cent of the Gaza egg market. Armoured bulldozers of the Israeli armed forces systematically flattened the chicken coops, killing all 31,000 chickens inside, and destroyed the plant and material necessary for the business.
The Israeli armed forces also carried out a strike against a wall of one of the raw sewage lagoons of the Gaza wastewater treatment plant, which caused the outflow of more than 200,000 cubic metres of raw sewage onto neighbouring farmland.
The Mission investigated four incidents in which the Israeli armed forces coerced Palestinian civilian men at gunpoint to take part in house searches during the military operations (chap. XIV). The men were blindfolded and handcuffed as they were forced to enter houses ahead of the Israeli soldiers.
the Israeli armed forces rounded up large numbers of civilians and detained them in houses and open spaces in Gaza and, in the case of many Palestinian men, also took them to detention facilities in Israel. In the cases investigated by the Mission, the facts gathered indicate that none of the civilians was armed or posed any apparent threat to the Israeli soldiers. Civilians, including women and children, were detained in degrading conditions, deprived of food, water and access to sanitary facilities, and exposed to the elements in January without any shelter. The men were handcuffed, blindfolded and repeatedly made to strip, sometimes naked, at different stages of their detention. Israeli troops had dug out sandpits in which Palestinian men, women and children were detained. Israeli tanks and artillery positions were located inside the sandpits and around them and fired from next to the detainees.
The razing of farmland and the destruction of greenhouses are expected to further worsen food insecurity despite the increased quantities of food items allowed into Gaza since the beginning of the military operations. Dependence on food assistance increases. Levels of stunting and thinness in children and of anaemia prevalence in children and pregnant women were worrying even before the military operations.
approximately 700,000 Palestinian men, women and children have been detained by Israel. According to estimates, as at 1 June 2009, there were approximately 8,100 Palestinian “political prisoners” in detention in Israel, including 60 women and 390 children.
In the West Bank, Israel has long imposed a system of restrictions on movement. Movement is restricted by a combination of physical obstacles, such as roadblocks, checkpoints and the Wall, and administrative measures, such as identity cards, permits, assigned residence, laws on family reunification, and policies on the right to enter from abroad and the right of return for refugees. Palestinians are denied access to areas expropriated for the building of the Wall and its infrastructure, for use by settlements, buffer zones, military bases and military training zones, and the roads built to connect these places. Many of these roads are “Israeli only” and forbidden for Palestinian use. Israel’s Ministry of Housing and Planning is planning a further 73,000 settlement homes in the West Bank. The building of 15,000 of these homes has already been approved and, if all the plans are realized, the number of settlers in the Occupied Palestinian Territory will double.
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I don't think Goldstone's April 1 statement "repudiates" the Goldstone report. I think it indicates that Goldstone now believes that some incidents which appear to be war crimes were not a result of deliberate Israeli government or military policy.
BTW, I am glad Israel has done their self investigation. Unless Hamas also does their own investigation and prosecutes its war criminals, I see no reason for Israel to impose harsh sentences on their war criminals until Hamas is ready to do the same, which is unlikely. Like Goldstone, I also give Israel credit for their flawed and biased investigations.
Does that mean no war crimes were committed? Is that how you interpret different?
Goldstone wrote, "While the investigations published by the Israeli military and recognized in the U.N. committee’s report have established the validity of some incidents that we investigated in cases involving individual soldiers, they also indicate that civilians were not intentionally targeted as a matter of policy". No doubt, but that doesn't mean that civilians weren't deliberately targeted by Israeli soldiers. In fact, the Israeli investigations have found that individual Israeli soldiers did commit war crimes and did deliberately target civilians. So far their punishment has been light to nothing.
I don't interpret Goldstone's statement as a repudiation. If you read it closely, its actually confirmation that war crimes occurred. The Israeli military's self investigation indicates (does not prove) that the Israeli military doesn't have a policy to target civilians. But that doesn't mean that individual soldiers did not commit war crimes. The most serious incident involved herding about 50 people into a house and then dropping a bomb on it. Goldstone isn't saying this incident didn't happen, only that the Israeli self investigation reveals this incident may be a result of negligence rather than a deliberate military policy to target civilians.
Goldstone wrote, "few of Israel’s inquiries have been concluded and believe that the proceedings should have been held in a public forum. Although the Israeli evidence that has emerged since publication of our report doesn’t negate the tragic loss of civilian life, I regret that our fact-finding mission did not have such evidence explaining the circumstances in which we said civilians in Gaza were targeted, because it probably would have influenced our findings about intentionality and war crimes."
The inquiry should have been public and third parties should have been able to challenge testimony and evidence. As a result Israel's self investigation is biased and flawed. Also "influenced" does lead to a conclusion that Israeli soldiers did not commit war crimes either. I also agree with Goldstone that the U.N. Human Rights Council is biased against Israel. That also does not mean Israeli soldiers did not commit war crimes.
Goldstone wrote, " our main recommendation was for each party to investigate, transparently and in good faith, the incidents referred to in our report. McGowan Davis has found that Israel has done this to a significant degree; Hamas has done nothing."
That's certainly true. A flawed and biased self investigation is better than doing nothing. Against this does not mean Israeli soldiers did not commit war crimes.
I have always agreed with Goldstone that Palestinian militant rocket and mortar fire at Israeli civilians are war crimes. Recently Palestinian militants have increased the intensity, which means another Israeli attack is looming.
Goldstone does not say that using heavy artillery and white phosphorus in densely populated areas is not a war crime. He says that as a result of the Goldstone report, the Israeli military has changed its policies regarding tactics it can use in densely populated urban areas. That means limiting but not eliminating their use. But its still a war crime since heavy artillery is indiscriminate.
No doubt the Goldstone report would have been different if Israel had cooperated with their initial investigation I agree with Goldstone, that Israel has done more than nothing unlike Hamas. But Goldstone does not say the Israeli investigation was transparent and in good faith. He says the conclusion of McGowan Davis is that Israel has done this to a "significant degree".
These statements by Goldstone do not negate the Goldstone report. They indicate the report is is incomplete and missing information which should have been provided by Israel during the investigation.
Goldstone's statement does not repudiate these findings:
The Mission holds the view that Israel continues to be duty-bound under the Fourth Geneva Convention and to the full extent of the means available to it to ensure the supply of foodstuff, medical and hospital items and other goods to meet the humanitarian needs of the population of the Gaza Strip without qualification.
The Mission also concludes that the policemen killed on 27 December 2008 cannot be said to have been taking a direct part in hostilities and thus did not lose their civilian immunity from direct attack as civilians on this basis.
On 15 January 2009, the field office compound of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) in Gaza City came under shelling with high explosive and white phosphorous munitions. The Mission notes that the attack was extremely dangerous, as the compound offered shelter to between 600 and 700 civilians and contained a huge fuel depot. The Israeli armed forces continued their attack over several hours despite having been fully alerted to the risks they created.
The Mission concludes that the Israeli armed forces violated the requirement under customary international law to take all feasible precautions in the choice of means and method of attack with a view to avoiding and in any event minimizing incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects.
the Israeli armed forces directly and intentionally attacked al-Quds hospital in Gaza City and the adjacent ambulance depot with white phosphorous shells. The attack caused fires which took a whole day to extinguish and caused panic among the sick and wounded who had to be evacuated.
intense artillery attacks, again including white phosphorous munitions, on al-Wafa hospital in eastern Gaza City, a facility for patients receiving long-term care and suffering from particularly serious injuries.
In the majority of these incidents, the consequences of the Israeli attacks against civilians were aggravated by their subsequent refusal to allow the evacuation of the wounded or to permit access to ambulances.
Based on its investigation of incidents involving the use of certain weapons such as white phosphorous and flechette missiles, the Mission, while accepting that white phosphorous is not at this stage proscribed under international law, finds that the Israeli armed forces were systematically reckless in determining its use in built-up areas.
the destruction of industrial infrastructure, food production, water installations, sewage treatment plants and housing (chap. XIII). Already at the beginning of the military operations, el-Bader flour mill was the only flour mill in the Gaza Strip still operating. The flour mill was hit by a series of air strikes on 9 January 2009, after several false warnings had been issued on previous days. The Mission finds that its destruction had no military justification. The nature of the strikes, in particular the precise targeting of crucial machinery, suggests that the intention was to disable the factory’s productive capacity. From the facts it ascertained, the Mission finds that there has been a violation of the grave breaches provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
The chicken farms of Mr. Sameh Sawafeary in the Zeytoun neighbourhood south of Gaza City reportedly supplied over 10 per cent of the Gaza egg market. Armoured bulldozers of the Israeli armed forces systematically flattened the chicken coops, killing all 31,000 chickens inside, and destroyed the plant and material necessary for the business.
The Israeli armed forces also carried out a strike against a wall of one of the raw sewage lagoons of the Gaza wastewater treatment plant, which caused the outflow of more than 200,000 cubic metres of raw sewage onto neighbouring farmland.
The Mission investigated four incidents in which the Israeli armed forces coerced Palestinian civilian men at gunpoint to take part in house searches during the military operations (chap. XIV). The men were blindfolded and handcuffed as they were forced to enter houses ahead of the Israeli soldiers.
the Israeli armed forces rounded up large numbers of civilians and detained them in houses and open spaces in Gaza and, in the case of many Palestinian men, also took them to detention facilities in Israel. In the cases investigated by the Mission, the facts gathered indicate that none of the civilians was armed or posed any apparent threat to the Israeli soldiers. Civilians, including women and children, were detained in degrading conditions, deprived of food, water and access to sanitary facilities, and exposed to the elements in January without any shelter. The men were handcuffed, blindfolded and repeatedly made to strip, sometimes naked, at different stages of their detention. Israeli troops had dug out sandpits in which Palestinian men, women and children were detained. Israeli tanks and artillery positions were located inside the sandpits and around them and fired from next to the detainees.
The razing of farmland and the destruction of greenhouses are expected to further worsen food insecurity despite the increased quantities of food items allowed into Gaza since the beginning of the military operations. Dependence on food assistance increases. Levels of stunting and thinness in children and of anaemia prevalence in children and pregnant women were worrying even before the military operations.
The level of goods allowed into Gaza before the military operations was, however, insufficient to meet the needs of the population even before hostilities started, and has again decreased since the end of the military operations. From the facts ascertained by it, the Mission believes that Israel has violated its obligation to allow free passage of all consignments of medical and hospital objects, food and clothing (article 23 of the Fourth Geneva Convention). The conditions of life in Gaza, resulting from deliberate actions of the Israeli armed forces and the declared policies of the Government of Israel – as they were presented by its authorized and legitimate representatives – with regard to the Gaza Strip before, during and after the military operation, cumulatively indicate the intention to inflict collective punishment on the people of the Gaza Strip in violation of international humanitarian law. the Mission is of the view that some of the actions of the Government of Israel might justify a competent court finding that crimes against humanity have been committed.eao: I'm not a military expert. Perhaps someone here can explain the military requirement for destroying farmland to create a Star of David? I also doubt the Israeli military had a policy to do this. But obviously someone did.
Jewish Star in Gaza field causes stir
approximately 700,000 Palestinian men, women and children have been detained by Israel. According to estimates, as at 1 June 2009, there were approximately 8,100 Palestinian “political prisoners” in detention in Israel, including 60 women and 390 children.
In the West Bank, Israel has long imposed a system of restrictions on movement. Movement is restricted by a combination of physical obstacles, such as roadblocks, checkpoints and the Wall, and administrative measures, such as identity cards, permits, assigned residence, laws on family reunification, and policies on the right to enter from abroad and the right of return for refugees. Palestinians are denied access to areas expropriated for the building of the Wall and its infrastructure, for use by settlements, buffer zones, military bases and military training zones, and the roads built to connect these places. Many of these roads are “Israeli only” and forbidden for Palestinian use. Israel’s Ministry of Housing and Planning is planning a further 73,000 settlement homes in the West Bank. The building of 15,000 of these homes has already been approved and, if all the plans are realized, the number of settlers in the Occupied Palestinian Territory will double.
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I don't think Goldstone's April 1 statement "repudiates" the Goldstone report. I think it indicates that Goldstone now believes that some incidents which appear to be war crimes were not a result of deliberate Israeli government or military policy.
BTW, I am glad Israel has done their self investigation. Unless Hamas also does their own investigation and prosecutes its war criminals, I see no reason for Israel to impose harsh sentences on their war criminals until Hamas is ready to do the same, which is unlikely. Like Goldstone, I also give Israel credit for their flawed and biased investigations.
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It means they didn't carry a deck of cards with pictures of targets on it, it would have been a free-fire zone, if you feel afraid, shoot them.
On the flotilla raid one such book was recovered and copied, no idea how closely it matches the dead or missing (although the missing could be Moosehead agents)
First off, International Law is a joke.
Secondly, no military on earth would allow a completely open and public investigation of their troops, their tactics and their actions in a conflict, especially to any organization biased against it, as the UN is biased against Isreal. They might as well fund their enemies' intelligence and propaganda arms. ONLY Israel would do as much as has been done, which is why she deserves our support.
Thirdly: Have you ever been in a fight??? Do you understand that when your life, and the lives of your friends are under threat........the rules go out the window? Which is why punishment for individuals that step outside the norm in struggles to save themselves or their friends are cut some slack...........
Fourth; The herding of individuals into a building and the subsequent shelling of that building is an act that requires more than one unit. It can not be negligent. It was either intentional, as in planned policy, or accidental. According to Goldstone, there was no policy, so it was accidental.
Fifth: " The Mission also concludes that the policemen killed on 27 December 2008 cannot be said to have been taking a direct part in hostilities and thus did not lose their civilian immunity from direct attack as civilians on this basis." is BULL****. Hamas admits the police were armed militants.
Hamas admits it lied about Cast Lead casualties - Instablogs
Thus they were VERY legitimate targets. I'm sorry, I can't grasp the kind of intellect that could possibly believe that a group like Hamas allows an armed force in their area that is not completely under their control.
In conclusion, EAO, you will have to drop a number of your accusations if you wish to be taken at all seriously......
You are already well past that with me, I'm just saying.....
Secondly, no military on earth would allow a completely open and public investigation of their troops, their tactics and their actions in a conflict, especially to any organization biased against it, as the UN is biased against Isreal. They might as well fund their enemies' intelligence and propaganda arms. ONLY Israel would do as much as has been done, which is why she deserves our support.
Thirdly: Have you ever been in a fight??? Do you understand that when your life, and the lives of your friends are under threat........the rules go out the window? Which is why punishment for individuals that step outside the norm in struggles to save themselves or their friends are cut some slack...........
Fourth; The herding of individuals into a building and the subsequent shelling of that building is an act that requires more than one unit. It can not be negligent. It was either intentional, as in planned policy, or accidental. According to Goldstone, there was no policy, so it was accidental.
Fifth: " The Mission also concludes that the policemen killed on 27 December 2008 cannot be said to have been taking a direct part in hostilities and thus did not lose their civilian immunity from direct attack as civilians on this basis." is BULL****. Hamas admits the police were armed militants.
Hamas admits it lied about Cast Lead casualties - Instablogs
Thus they were VERY legitimate targets. I'm sorry, I can't grasp the kind of intellect that could possibly believe that a group like Hamas allows an armed force in their area that is not completely under their control.
In conclusion, EAO, you will have to drop a number of your accusations if you wish to be taken at all seriously......
You are already well past that with me, I'm just saying.....
Colpy, you are hardly an objective source, so I'd keep the lid shut on your black pot before you make your own accusations.
Both moronic sides in this conflict use people as human shields. What do you think the settlements in the West Bank are? Holiday get aways?
The best side to take in this is the "I dont give a **** anymore" side.
The best side to take in this is the "I dont give a **** anymore" side.
If pressure can be put on a person as morally upstanding as a Judge then the only solution would be to sequester any Judges involved in any 'important trials'.
Look at it this way, if he considered the events worth noting that means a further investigation was required, Israel responded to about 400 points. Most have been answered and only a few remain, one being the death of almost 30 people from one family due to 'human error'.
Since all those have been ruled on the Judge is bringing himself up to date in a public statement even though it was a UN document and Judge Goldstone released it to them, rather than to the public. The UN should not apologize for insisting an inquiry be done when that many civilians die, in one operation especially. The cost of the investigations would have been done prior to the operation, it is called planning for potential back-lash from the international community. Hoe expensive is it to re-open a bulging folder. Little scary if that folder was empty until the report and request for an explanation came.
Israel was does target individuals BTW, that's why they have snipers and international assassination squads.
Look at it this way, if he considered the events worth noting that means a further investigation was required, Israel responded to about 400 points. Most have been answered and only a few remain, one being the death of almost 30 people from one family due to 'human error'.
Since all those have been ruled on the Judge is bringing himself up to date in a public statement even though it was a UN document and Judge Goldstone released it to them, rather than to the public. The UN should not apologize for insisting an inquiry be done when that many civilians die, in one operation especially. The cost of the investigations would have been done prior to the operation, it is called planning for potential back-lash from the international community. Hoe expensive is it to re-open a bulging folder. Little scary if that folder was empty until the report and request for an explanation came.
Israel was does target individuals BTW, that's why they have snipers and international assassination squads.
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Why tell us he only reads a (most likely) small portion? this instance
This is a 'repeat' of one village that suffered many civilian deaths. After a full-scale lobby the term massacre was withdrawn from the report. That was their objection, the number of dead and their method of death was never denied. Nor did anything other than taht come out of the affair, except for Gaza being the modern equivalent of that village.
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“On the first day of the war, Israel targeted police stations and 250 martyrs who were part of Hamas and the various factions fell.” He added that, “about 200 to 300 were killed from the Qassam Brigades, as well as 150 security personnel.”
I guess the equivalent would be if Libya bombed a police station in the US or Canada, since we are at war with them. If some of the police were in the military reserves, does that make the entire police station and everyone in the building legitimate targets?
Also who are the other 150 people who were killed at the same time.
Also, Hamas calls everyone who is killed by Israelis a martyr. Even women and children. So that term doesn't translate to soldier or militants.
Regarding the IDF herding 50 men, women and children into a building and then dropping a bomb on it. That is only one of about 150 documented incidents which could be war crimes. That one may have been an accident like Israel claims, but try explaining why Israel blocked ambulances from evacuating the wounded for 4 days as children died of dehydration next to their mother's corpses.
When I read Goldstone's statement, I get the feeling he just wants his life back.This guy and his family have been harassed continuously since he agreed to lead the investigation about two years ago.
Even the IDF investigations conclude their soldiers have committed war crimes.
For example:
IDF soldiers convicted of using 11-year-old as human shield in Gaza - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
While Israel has done their own investigations unlike Hamas, they are hardly transparent or impartial:
A/HRC/14/NGO/31 of 28 May 2010
I guess the equivalent would be if Libya bombed a police station in the US or Canada, since we are at war with them. If some of the police were in the military reserves, does that make the entire police station and everyone in the building legitimate targets?
Also who are the other 150 people who were killed at the same time.
Also, Hamas calls everyone who is killed by Israelis a martyr. Even women and children. So that term doesn't translate to soldier or militants.
Regarding the IDF herding 50 men, women and children into a building and then dropping a bomb on it. That is only one of about 150 documented incidents which could be war crimes. That one may have been an accident like Israel claims, but try explaining why Israel blocked ambulances from evacuating the wounded for 4 days as children died of dehydration next to their mother's corpses.
When I read Goldstone's statement, I get the feeling he just wants his life back.This guy and his family have been harassed continuously since he agreed to lead the investigation about two years ago.
Even the IDF investigations conclude their soldiers have committed war crimes.
For example:
IDF soldiers convicted of using 11-year-old as human shield in Gaza - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
While Israel has done their own investigations unlike Hamas, they are hardly transparent or impartial:
A/HRC/14/NGO/31 of 28 May 2010
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