I was hesitant to say that despite thinking it.... people raised in violence tend to perpetuate it. I wasn't sure how to word it and not be jumped on as 'sympathizing'.
Girl dead for not wearing burka
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I was hesitant to say that despite thinking it.... people raised in violence tend to perpetuate it. I wasn't sure how to word it and not be jumped on as 'sympathizing'.
On this subject I probably come off as a real red neck. I think the practice of "honour killings is insane where ever it happens. A tradition that allows killing to revenge family honour is insanity pure and simple. Civilization has surely progressed farther than this.
Karrie Said:
"aside from that pesky little deal where he said he killed her. "
There you go, jumping to conclusions again...just because he said he killed her, doesn't mean he killed her. Halliburton agents obviously water-boarded him while he was making the 911 call...and made him confess...:roll:
"aside from that pesky little deal where he said he killed her. "
There you go, jumping to conclusions again...just because he said he killed her, doesn't mean he killed her. Halliburton agents obviously water-boarded him while he was making the 911 call...and made him confess...:roll:
Excuses....
Don't dare make excuses for these immigrants that drag all their bull**** from the country that they "just had to leave". They left their ass-backwards countries for a reason.No freedom of relgion, no freedom of speech, persecution of women, war, famine, whatever the case may be. Leave all that **** behind you and come to my country, but abide by my country's rules and customs. Remember, you left your country because it was broke, it wasn't functioning properly or fairly. Come here, enjoy the good life, clean air, clean water, freedom to do almost whatever you want. But leave your bull**** from your country behind. You left there for a reason, or multitudes of reasons. I like my country just the way it is. If you don't like it, GO HOME !!!:angryfire:
Don't dare make excuses for these immigrants that drag all their bull**** from the country that they "just had to leave". They left their ass-backwards countries for a reason.No freedom of relgion, no freedom of speech, persecution of women, war, famine, whatever the case may be. Leave all that **** behind you and come to my country, but abide by my country's rules and customs. Remember, you left your country because it was broke, it wasn't functioning properly or fairly. Come here, enjoy the good life, clean air, clean water, freedom to do almost whatever you want. But leave your bull**** from your country behind. You left there for a reason, or multitudes of reasons. I like my country just the way it is. If you don't like it, GO HOME !!!:angryfire:
I am home you Twit. I was born in Canada and I continue to live here and be proud to be Canadian.
A poster to a Toronto forum said this:
I believe any imam preaching the mandatory wearing of the hijab should be charged as an accessory to this tragic event. Muslims themselves say that it isn't in the religion so any imam preaching this is blasphemous.
Hijab Not Mandatory Insist Muslim Women
Tuesday December 11, 2007
CityNews.ca Staff
It's called a hijab and it's a very potent sign of adherence to certain beliefs in the Muslim faith. But despite the tragic case of a 16-year-old who may have been killed over a refusal to wear it, those who practice the faith insist it's not actually mandatory, and that's why some Muslim women don't wear it full time - or at all.
It's said to be a symbol of modesty and obedience to God and not related to submissiveness to men, as some believe. But according to one follower, donning it should be a choice - not an edict. "There's no particular dress that is encouraged," advises Tanya Khan (top left) of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community of Toronto. "It's just a modest dress. And that is the rationale and the teaching behind the wearing of hijab is that it is to promote modesty, not only in a physical sense but also in a mind-set."
She notes the hijab is often misunderstood because of those who would take things to extremes. "One of the greatest beauties of Islam is that there is choice, and we are actually told in the Quran that there is no compulsion in the matters of religion. And yet many times, across the Muslim world, this is overlooked."
Khan told CityOnline Tuesday that if one of her three daughters came to her expressing doubts about wearing the head scarf, she would be sure to choose her words carefully. "I think that my role and my husband's role is to first and foremost be a role model, to present the faith, to get them to understand it and not force it," she explains. "Nothing will come from force. And also I can only provide them with the rationale and hopefully they'll understand it, why it's important to us, and adopt it."
It's a debate that happens in many homes, according to Ausma Khan, the editor-in-chief of Muslim Girl magazine. She claims Muslim girls are like any other teens, wondering where they fit in. And she notes it's not as big an issue as many non-Muslims often think it is.
Atiya Ahsan of the Canadian Council of Muslim Women, agrees, noting the hijab has taken on 'larger than life' proportions to the rest of the world. She calls it a "fallacy" to believe wearing a piece of fabric makes anyone more spiritual and that it's more about what's in their heart than what's in their head.
And Tanya Khan believes whatever happened to Aqsa Pervaz, the youngster choked to death on Monday, had a lot more to do with dysfunctional relationships than a simple head scarf. "I think there were deeper issues in that family," she alleges. "And it saddens me as a practising Canadian-born Muslim because this is just going to perpetuate the misconceptions of women and women in Islam and the choices that they have."
Khan claims to have a unique perspective on the issue, having converted to Islam later in life and growing up without the head covering - which she now always wears.
I believe any imam preaching the mandatory wearing of the hijab should be charged as an accessory to this tragic event. Muslims themselves say that it isn't in the religion so any imam preaching this is blasphemous.
Hijab Not Mandatory Insist Muslim Women
Tuesday December 11, 2007
CityNews.ca Staff
It's called a hijab and it's a very potent sign of adherence to certain beliefs in the Muslim faith. But despite the tragic case of a 16-year-old who may have been killed over a refusal to wear it, those who practice the faith insist it's not actually mandatory, and that's why some Muslim women don't wear it full time - or at all.
It's said to be a symbol of modesty and obedience to God and not related to submissiveness to men, as some believe. But according to one follower, donning it should be a choice - not an edict. "There's no particular dress that is encouraged," advises Tanya Khan (top left) of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community of Toronto. "It's just a modest dress. And that is the rationale and the teaching behind the wearing of hijab is that it is to promote modesty, not only in a physical sense but also in a mind-set."
She notes the hijab is often misunderstood because of those who would take things to extremes. "One of the greatest beauties of Islam is that there is choice, and we are actually told in the Quran that there is no compulsion in the matters of religion. And yet many times, across the Muslim world, this is overlooked."
Khan told CityOnline Tuesday that if one of her three daughters came to her expressing doubts about wearing the head scarf, she would be sure to choose her words carefully. "I think that my role and my husband's role is to first and foremost be a role model, to present the faith, to get them to understand it and not force it," she explains. "Nothing will come from force. And also I can only provide them with the rationale and hopefully they'll understand it, why it's important to us, and adopt it."
It's a debate that happens in many homes, according to Ausma Khan, the editor-in-chief of Muslim Girl magazine. She claims Muslim girls are like any other teens, wondering where they fit in. And she notes it's not as big an issue as many non-Muslims often think it is.
Atiya Ahsan of the Canadian Council of Muslim Women, agrees, noting the hijab has taken on 'larger than life' proportions to the rest of the world. She calls it a "fallacy" to believe wearing a piece of fabric makes anyone more spiritual and that it's more about what's in their heart than what's in their head.
And Tanya Khan believes whatever happened to Aqsa Pervaz, the youngster choked to death on Monday, had a lot more to do with dysfunctional relationships than a simple head scarf. "I think there were deeper issues in that family," she alleges. "And it saddens me as a practising Canadian-born Muslim because this is just going to perpetuate the misconceptions of women and women in Islam and the choices that they have."
Khan claims to have a unique perspective on the issue, having converted to Islam later in life and growing up without the head covering - which she now always wears.
I could be mixed up but I think the Ahmadiyya's are a moderate school of Islam commonly regarded as heretical in Pakistan, and as such, are seen as infidels by the mainstream community.
Not that it really matters but I thought it was an interesting choice as a source of information. Kind of like going to a gay minister to explain the viewpoint of the vatican, sort of.
Not that it really matters but I thought it was an interesting choice as a source of information. Kind of like going to a gay minister to explain the viewpoint of the vatican, sort of.
Hopefully it won't take many men behind bars before they realize 'honor killings' don't fly in Canada.
Did he claim it as an honour killing though? If so I missed where he did.
I could be mixed up but I think the Ahmadiyya's are a moderate school of Islam commonly regarded as heretical in Pakistan, and as such, are seen as infidels by the mainstream community.
Not that it really matters but I thought it was an interesting choice as a source of information. Kind of like going to a gay minister to explain the viewpoint of the vatican, sort of.
It seems to me that there are almost as many sects in Islam as there are in Christianity. And rightly so. Each person seems to be able to interpret almost any literature in their own fashion.
Both religions have their zealots and their moderates, their abusers and their kind hearted followers. It's a shame the freaks in all these religions are the ones getting all the media attention.
Unfortunately the one thing they all have in common is Jihad. :-( Some have a more laid back approach, but they all agree...infidels are activated sludge.
Then, there are the ones in every crowd who want only those points that are beneficial to their purposes.
Woof!
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The coroner came back and said she died of "neck compression", so it is obvious that she was murdered, and not killed accidentally.
Whatever the reasons behind her murder, a sixteen year old girl is dead.:-(
Whatever the reasons behind her murder, a sixteen year old girl is dead.:-(
I don't think there is any doubt it was an "honour killing". She refused to wear a hijab and got strangled for it.
Girl Refuses to Wear Hijab: Strangled by Father
Filed under: Canada, Feature, Islam, North America, Religion — Michael van der Galien on December 11, 2007 @ 3:28 pm CET
A 16-year old girl, reportedly called Aqsa Parvez, refused to wear the hijab (the headscarf worn by some Muslim women). Her father got angry with her and tried to force her to wear it. She, however, didn’t give in.
The result? She’s now in the hospital in critical condition after her father strangled her.
In case you’re wondering where this happened, in what Arab country: the village’s name is Mississauga. That’s in Canada.
I don't mean to sound like an expert, but I would like to comment that Shariah Law is about as complicated to interpret as Islam itself. A lot of people do not understand it , or misinterpret it either to avoid referring to it, or to abuse it. The original points of Shariah Law are actually quite commendable. I refer more to religious books, however I will definately see if I can send you a link/resource to refer to.
Social polocies and the welfare of the individual are definately highlighted, I will try to post some information if you'd like, just to compare it to the justice system as it is today.
karrie - It's refeshing to see one view at least that is willing to venture outside of the box!
Zzarchov - correction: violence does not stem from the religion of Islam. It can stem from indivudals,cultures,ignorance, etc - but not the faith itself.
There are no problems with the faith itself. There are problems with some individuals. There are problems with some cultures. There are problems with some communities. However, there are not problems with the faith. I have grown up as a Muslim woman, I have been exposed to many cultures and many countries and many individuals. However, I have learned about Islam ; I have believed in the faith since I was very young...I have asked questions...and never have I found a problem with it. I do not deny that it now has a negative reputation in the media and to many people, however the problem is that very few people know the real Islam.
There is no such concept as an 'honour' killing. There is such a thing as violence against women. Women get abused and killed around the world. There are no exceptions. It happens in every community, nation, culture, faith and society...and it is an epidemic but there is no question of honour. It's violence against women. And the factors are control and power. Not the hijab. Not honor. Not religion.
To add, you obvsiouly have not been exposed to Arab countries other than on CNN. Do some research...the internet is at your fingertips. Educate your views. You'd be surprised at what you find when you look for the answers.
Oh so you are an expert after all....
It has been announced in the news that the daughter was attacked by her father because she wouldn't wear a hijab. The daughter died as a result of that attack. Could it be that the father thought he was being dishonoured by his daughter The father was a very devout Muslim, a bus driver who stopped his bus to pray four or five times a day.
You would be surprised if your reading wasn't so selective. Canada is not yet an Arab country.
There is no such thing as an Islamist...followers of Islam are called Muslims...what happened was not Islamic justice...it was a lack of it.
It's amazing how she can accuse a faith for the barbaric actions of some men.
I agree she made great points, I am a strong believer in the rights of humans...not just women...however to accuse a religion of such actions? This woman has NO clue about real Islam...in this particulr speech...what right does a person have to judge a faith when she has no clue about it? She did not mention a single fact that shows she has an inkling of the religion.
Heres something on the rights of women in Islam and Shariah Law:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apd3ilBleTQ&feature=related
and this will cause a riot here, but here it goes..
Equality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk85EoPXII8&feature=related
juan--do you know what a devout Muslim is...? The daughter died as a result of an abusive and violent man. Somebody who was confused, angry,irrational, and mentally unstable. Somebody who probably was suffering from God knows what. There is a lot more to such an act... it has little or nothing to do with being offended at what your kid decided to wear or not wear.
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http://www.maryamnamazie.com/biography.html
Good credentials for someone who doesn't have a clue....
Woof!
Good credentials for someone who doesn't have a clue....
Woof!
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