Girl dead for not wearing burka

[karrie]

I don't know Karrie. Muslims are likely the only ones who beat their kids to death for not wearing the "right" religious clothing but I won't get started on that.

There's always a stupid issue juan. There's always SOMEthing that someone did to 'deserve' being beaten to death. I don't get why the lack of a burka gets anymore attention in the media than a kid getting her face pierced and being beaten to death for it. Or dying her hair. Or having the wrong boyfriend. Or staying out late. There's always SOMEthing.

Like I said, I'm just glad it happened here where we don't excuse stupid 'reasons'.

 

[darkbeaver]

I have to say, I'm glad this happened in North America. Because when men beat women to death here (and no, Muslims aren't the only ones who beat their children to death over issues of control.... don't kid yourselves), they go to jail, regardless of the reason. No excuses. That's pretty awesome. Good move choice on his part.

Exactly Karrie, this is just another example of male on female violence gone horribly wrong, nobody can count the little girls beat and abused by there fathers in North America, and beat to death and worse. It's just another example of violence that realy has nothing to do with religion or god or country of origin.

 

[lone wolf]

Exactly the reason Shiara Law should stay where it is and those who want it can go live where it is....

Woof!

 

[#juan]

Exactly Karrie, this is just another example of male on female violence gone horribly wrong, nobody can count the little girls beat and abused by there fathers in North America, and beat to death and worse. It's just another example of violence that realy has nothing to do with religion or god or country of origin.

I don't think you can equate male on female violence in Muslim countries with that in North America. It is not even close.

 

[karrie]

I don't think you can equate male on female violence in Muslim countries with that in North America. It is not even close.

and yet the leading cause of death for pregnant and recently postnatal women in North America is murder at the hands of the baby's father.

 

[darkbeaver]

I don't think you can equate male on female violence in Muslim countries with that in North America. It is not even close.

Untill you can find some reliable evidence to the contrary with a link I think I can. Violence against women has absolutely nothing to do with religion, but it does have everything to do with men.

 

[Unforgiven]

Still a tragic end to something that happens thousands of times a day in Canada with the struggle for independence and the fleeting grasp of control a parent has over youth. Regardless of the cause, it should be a call for more awareness and if need be a boost to facilitate the sheltering of anyone from an abusive situation.

 

[karrie]

I can't remember if it was the article on yahoo or the one that juan posted the link to, but one of them stated that the girl had expressed fear of the men in her family. That's a Canadian failing right there... that people knew she was scared of them to the point of considering running away, and yet no one intervened. We can't blame that on the middle eastern way of life... that's our own culture failing a child.

 

[lone wolf]

I can't remember if it was the article on yahoo or the one that juan posted the link to, but one of them stated that the girl had expressed fear of the men in her family. That's a Canadian failing right there... that people knew she was scared of them to the point of considering running away, and yet no one intervened. We can't blame that on the middle eastern way of life... that's our own culture failing a child.

Intervene?
Ask daddy if daughter has a reason to fear. Remember, she is a minor so daddy has rights. Daddy says no, then beats daughter.
Police or social services go to door. Daddy is properly respectful and has no prior history. Law's hands are tied. Daughter gets beating.
Good Samaritin offers daughter avenue for escape. Daddy, Uncles, Brothers and entire male muslim community seek out daughter. Rescuer is accused of nasty things. Daughter is beaten.
That's not a cultural failing. That's a legal failing.

Woof!

 

[#juan]

Violence against women and girls takes many forms:

• At least 60 million girls who would otherwise be expected to be alive are "missing" from various populations, mostly in Asia, as a result of sex-selective abortions, infanticide or neglect;
• Studies suggest domestic violence is widespread in most societies and is a frequent cause of suicides among women;
• Rape and other forms of sexual violence are increasing. Many rapes go unreported because of the stigma and trauma associated with them and the lack of sympathetic treatment from legal systems. Estimates of the proportion of rapes reported to authorities vary — from less than 3 per cent in South Africa to about 16 per cent in the United States;
• Two million girls between ages 5 and 15 are introduced into the commercial sex market each year;
• At least 130 million women have been forced to undergo female genital mutilation or cutting; another 2 million are at risk each year from this degrading and dangerous practice;
• So-called "honour" killings take the lives of thousands of young women every year, mainly in Western Asia, North Africa and parts of South Asia. At least 1,000 women were murdered in Pakistan in 1999.
• How many of these little factoids are about North America?
• About a hundred women are murdered annually in Canada.

 

[senorita]

I was shocked to hear this took place. Its unbelievable that such barbaric acts take place in what we refer to as a civilized society. May God bless the girls soul and consequennce whoever was responsible...

Exactly the reason Shiara Law should stay where it is and those who want it can go live where it is....

Woof!

What do you know about Sharia law? kindly referennce me a source that backs up what happened in this case.

There you go Logic! That's what I am talking about. There must be a perfectly good reason for him killing his daughter. Canada should be much more patient in dealing with muslims that slaughter their children.

Lets not start making this about Islam shall we . Firstly, Muslims do NOT slaughter their children. It's sick enough as it is, it would be helpful if you did not start talking about it as if it was a daily occurrence. Secondly it was not about the Burka. Thirdly outside parties said it was about the hijab. We all know it was not. To add, there is a major difference between a burka and a hijab . The burka is the full cloak like garment that covers from head to foot. The hijab is a head scarf.

Anyhow,how many of you would start attacking Christians if a father killed his daughter or child because they were not following rules set by him. Why is it that ISLAM is brought into such a sick case as this?

Violence does not stem from religion. In this particular case it is the man's need for control. He made a choice. Maybe he was an abusive person. Does abuse have a direct relation to religion>>? How many people here have heard of domestic/dating violence. And the deaths related to it? Plenty. Unfortunately. But since when did you all think that such incidents were because of the pillars or foundations of a faith?

This man was sick if he really did murder his own child. It was NOT about the hijab. Hell, it had nothing to do with her attire. It's very simple logic . It was a case of pure hatred, violence and evil. To state again, Islam does not believe anything of the sort.

To conclude, we're getting the story from others. Although I do believe the general incident, how reliable is everyone else really? A teenager has a rough enough time as it is, God knows they say a whole lot to their friends because its a really rough period in life. Who is to say what really was going on in the poor girls life...or house..? What led to it? If she was abused prior to this? Who else was involved? What led to the incident? There are just so many questions...and how do we get the right answers...

 

[DurkaDurka]

What do you know about Sharia law? kindly referennce me a source that backs up what happened in this case.


Anyhow,how many of you would start attacking Christians if a father killed his daughter or child because they were not following rules set by him. Why is it that ISLAM is brought into such a sick case as this?

This man was sick if he really did murder his own child. It was NOT about the hijab. Hell, it had nothing to do with her attire. It's very simple logic . It was a case of pure hatred, violence and evil. To state again, Islam does not believe anything of the sort.

Muslims tried to Sharia Law made legal in Ontario for civil issues, thankfuly the premier backtracked and banned religious law for all the major cults.

Ohh the classic, what would you do if a Christian yada yada yada comeback. Christians would be equally condemned for such as act, get off your high horse.

How do you know the hijab had nothing to do with it? You are speculating just as much as people commenting on what they have read on the papers.

 

[senorita]

^^

Its not possible to get off my high horse.I'm not on it to start with. :roll:

Well sometimes the classics have to be used...old...and used...

I know the hijab had nothing to do with it because I have extensively studied violence against women. I can send you some links if you'd like to do some research....

Btw I know that Shariah Law was brought into question...i was against it. Not because I dont believe in the Shariah in itself...I am familiar with it and you'd be surprised how much you'd agree on it if only you know a thing or two...I don't believe people should start bringing religious laws into the justice system because there are bound to be some that are questionable.

 

[Lester]

Theres a reason for seperating church and state - It's so we don't have to put up with pedophile preists and maniacal imams

 

[warrior_won]

People People! Wait now.

She may have had an aneurysm (sic whatev) while he was beating her to death. We can't rush this. I mean he only called and said...

"I killed my daughter."

How do we know if he did? Just because she was without life when the EMT's got there means nothing.

We don't have details. We don't know what happened. We know that the father allegedly had an altercation with the daughter. We know that the daughter died sometime during or after that altercation. What we don't know, is if the daughter died as a result of that altercation. Catch my drift?

It's quite possible that the daughter hadn't long to live regardless of whether there had been the altercation or not. We won't know that until an autopsy is performed and the medical examiner concludes that she did die as a result of the altercation with her father. It's not that difficult to understand.

The police and the coroner would have arrived on the scene following the father's 911 call. The father would have been arrested for killing the daughter because he thinks that he did kill her, and he confessed to thinking that he killed her.

The body will be taken to the morgue. An autopsy will be conducted. The medical examiner will determine exactly how she died. He may conclude that she died from head trauma for example, as a result of repeated blows to the head. Or, he may conclude that she died of acute heart failure -- a pre-existing medical condition that was not the result of the altercation.

In short, just because the father thinks that he killed her, does not necessarily mean that he actually killed her. Understand now?

 

[lone wolf]

I was shocked to hear this took place. Its unbelievable that such barbaric acts take place in what we refer to as a civilized society. May God bless the girls soul and consequennce whoever was responsible...

What do you know about Sharia law? kindly referennce me a source that backs up what happened in this case.

Enough to know I can't spell it and it isn't compatible with Common Law, our own Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

From what I read here, even a good number of Muslims object to it.

http://www.reformislam.org/

Woof!

 

[karrie]

Ohh the classic, what would you do if a Christian yada yada yada comeback. Christians would be equally condemned ...

To play devil's advocate.... if a white male, devout Christian, who had been arguing with his daughter repeatedly about following the bible's rules as he saw them, was to commit this act, it wouldn't hit the news as being anything to do with his religion. And if it DID hit the news as being about Christianity (ie, he beat her to death for dancing, which flies in the face of his Baptist beliefs), we'd be mighty quick to point out that the death of a girl for 'Christian' reasons is anything but Christian. And that his beliefs aren't the beliefs of all Christians, Catholics dance plenty for example.

I don't blame a Muslim woman for one minute for wanting to point out that this act is NOT the norm for a western Muslim man, and is not supported by her community.

 

[gerryh]

Intervene?
Ask daddy if daughter has a reason to fear. Remember, she is a minor so daddy has rights. Daddy says no, then beats daughter.
Police or social services go to door. Daddy is properly respectful and has no prior history. Law's hands are tied. Daughter gets beating.
Good Samaritin offers daughter avenue for escape. Daddy, Uncles, Brothers and entire male muslim community seek out daughter. Rescuer is accused of nasty things. Daughter is beaten.
That's not a cultural failing. That's a legal failing.

Woof!

Pretty much everything you just stated is false in Canada.

 

[lone wolf]

Pretty much everything you just stated is false in Canada.

And just how many interventions have you done? I have seen it happen IN CANADA....

It happens all too frequently with controlling parents and abusive relationships.

Woof!

 

[karrie]

That's not a cultural failing. That's a legal failing.

Woof!

I've been rolling this around in my head wolf, because I didn't want to respond wrong. And I think I still can't really express thoroughly what I'm trying to say, but, I'll give it a shot anyhow.

I'm finding it really odd that we can separate our culture from our legal system, separate out the finer points of an issue. Yet when we look at other countries and other cultures, we so often lump all of it together into one big ball. A bad legal system means bad people, bad culture. A bad apple in a religion means the religion is bad. What is it about looking at 'them' (any number of other countries/religion/races), that makes us stop seeing the finer points?