Gay Rights And The Bible

[Dexter Sinister]

...you yourself know nothing is absolute.

Yes, I know that, but you don't seem to. At least you certainly don't behave as if you do. You appear to think you're absolutely right about what the Bible says, and that the Bible itself is absolutely right in all particulars. You might want to rethink that for consistency.

 

[AnnaG]

You can answer multiple people in one post, that was the whole message. I don't care..apparently.

Oh. Yeah. I watched Les do the bracket quote and slash thing with more than one poster. Nifty. But it's just as easy to hit the "quote this" button.

Sin wasn't the big deal, free will was. A created being given choices with consequences known. Angels had theirs and Adam and Eve had theirs.

I know that stuff about free willy. It still doesn't excuse an all powerful god that's able to design anything any way it wishes from designing something as stupid and wasteful as "sin". It's like a horse trainer training a horse to run both forwards and backwards for a horse race. It's irrational.

Why do you create rules for your children?? Most are to keep them from harm, others might be closer to making your life easier, not that it is a bad thing if used in moderation.

So your god made rules for people to keep them safe and then told them and let them start shooting each other? lmao
"Here, Cain, here's a bone, it's bad to kill people, especially your own bro, but there's the bone. I dare you." And then outrage that Abel's dead at the hand of Cain. roflmao That's just totally preposterous and intensely hilarious to me.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Thread..topic..gays vs God..opinion..cum on Dex spit it out.

Spit what out? How much more direct could I be? You're wrong. Two words, that's about as simple as it gets.

Should have left it as (just) wrong, putting the simple in front negates any sympathy for your inability to contact God. Maybe He thinks you can be a prick at times also.

I have no concern about what god thinks, or what anybody tells me god thinks, because I know of no good reason to think he even exists, I think he's pure fiction.

 

[Cliffy]

Spit what out? How much more direct could I be? You're wrong. Two words, that's about as simple as it gets. I have no concern about what god thinks, or what anybody tells me god thinks, because I know of no good reason to think he even exists, I think he's pure fiction.

Her is a weird idea I have run across. We have different dimensional realities In one of those other dimensional realities a being exists. It exist on the energy people feed it by their belief in it. A few billion people are feeding this being (god in their image) by their beliefs and prayers, etc. It has become a giant parasite feeding and growing on all the energy released through praise and prayer. But is something like an apparition and would disappear in a heart beat if people stopped believing in it.

This makes more sense than some irate tyrant who will smite you because he happends to be constipated today.

 

[AnnaG]

hehehehe

 

[captain morgan]

I'm with you on this one. Mhz is off his/her freakin tree tonight. Not one coherent word except when he told the Captain to shut up.

.. Amazing how those 'requests' rarely seem to work with me, ain't it?.. I even went out of my way to include a little sad face.

 

[Cliffy]

.. Amazing how those 'requests' rarely seem to work with me, ain't it?.. I even went out of my way to include a little sad face.

I would never tell anybody to shut up and i don't agree with Mhz saying that. We are on here to exchange opinions and although I disagree with you on many issues, I do support your right to express them.

 

[Cliffy]

Oh, I only quoted that line because it was the only coherent one in the rant.

 

[JLM]

Gee Dex maybe you should learn to read. When you come up with questions about God...consult the book that has the actual answers. The readers you have encountered are not going to give you what you want. An answer that makes sense.
The influence I am under is the after affects of (more than I care to share with you or this board). Even that does not alter the fact that the reason you cannot find God is that you want him delivered on a platter. Ain't gonna happen.......ever.
Drop by drop.....if you are persistant...if you are not...phaseII isn't so bad, from the bit that is said aboutb that part of their journey, it's thgat long, long, long wait for the doors to open that is the real bitch (according to most Scripture)

BTW if you find them utterly confusing they must be bang-on. Have faith in God

IN over 60 years no one has convinced me that there IS a book that has the ACTUAL answers about God.

 

[Cliffy]

IN over 60 years no one has convinced me that there IS a book that has the ACTUAL answers about God.

That is because, no matter how many facts are presented on any subject in any book, the conclusions are still just the author's opinion. Deities are imaginary. There are no facts to be found.

 

[captain morgan]

I would never tell anybody to shut up and i don't agree with Mhz saying that. We are on here to exchange opinions and although I disagree with you on many issues, I do support your right to express them.

Kudos Cliffy

In terms of MHz's response to me, while I may not like it, I obviously did something to earn the response. I gotta accept my responsibilies equally.

 

[taxslave]

That is because, no matter how many facts are presented on any subject in any book, the conclusions are still just the author's opinion. Deities are imaginary. There are no facts to be found.

This is the main reason why I don't believe in god. Aside from the small problem that all of the thousands of religions think that they have the one true god and everyone else is wrong. And that doesn't even include those that believe in many gods. I think I will wait until they sort it out amongst themselves and come up with one common thread and provide physical proof. This doesn't mean killing off each other until there is only one bunch of wacos left either.

 

[Tonington]

I posted this in another forum today. It's been a favourite video of mine for some time on YouTube. Seems like an appropriate spot to post it here now.

YouTube - Instruction Manual for Life [cc]

 

[MHz]

Kudos Cliffy

In terms of MHz's response to me, while I may not like it, I obviously did something to earn the response. I gotta accept my responsibilies equally.

The response came because your post was telling me how to reply to somebody, or that I shouldn't reply at all. That is the part you are to be quiet about, if and how I reply is not your call. If you would have been posting a reply to some point I made I would not have asked for silence in the matter.

Cliffy is another one that absolutely does not believe in God yet he can be found on every thread about God. I can live with that no matter how odd I find the behavior.

 

[captain morgan]

Like I said MHz, I earned your comments for your own personal reasons and I must accept responsibility for myself.

While I'll suggest that you may have interpreted more than I intended, I also appreciate the above explanation.

Cheers

 

[JLM]

This is the main reason why I don't believe in god. Aside from the small problem that all of the thousands of religions think that they have the one true god and everyone else is wrong. And that doesn't even include those that believe in many gods. I think I will wait until they sort it out amongst themselves and come up with one common thread and provide physical proof. This doesn't mean killing off each other until there is only one bunch of wacos left either.

I think there is definitely a supreme power (man wasn't invented by an equal & I doubt if he evolved from a lesser form) you just can't make pearls from swine. Anyway the supreme power I'm sure regards the human race as equals (he doesn't give a sh*t if some are darker skinned because they've spent more time in the sun), so all these different "religions" and denominations are meaningless to Him. I think if he read the fairy tale about Jonah surviving three days and nights in a whale he'd have a good chuckle and probably put the book down.

 

[TeaBiscuit]

If you pay attention, you will notice that people are just expressing their beliefs, for or against the idea of god. But some say there is no other truth but god and his holy word, the bible. Those that have bothered to study the history of the bible know that that is not true, so they question those who condemn others for not believing. You will not hear a detractor say that you are going to hell for believing the non sense in the bible but you will hear plenty of believers say non believers will. Who do yu think is the more judgmental? Who do you think is breaking a rule in their own belief system?
"Judge not lest ye shall be judged." Who do you think is the hypocrite?

What about the ridicule, the leaky hand posts , the making fun of Jesus?
It's not a civil discussion, it's a hanging.

I really believe the Bible and the history of Jesus has been skewed by the hand of man.
But the intent of Jesus is one of multi leveled charity.
So people decide to ridicule the followers, the believers.
Your worst than the people that altered history.

Yes some of the believers go ape hairy and think you are going to hell.
Your already in hell, your being nasty to the needy.

As for did the man actually exist.

Emperor Constantine adopted Him as his God. It was only a few hundred years after Jesus's death. The religion had taken root. Surely Constantine knew that the man really existed. History did not record the man as he wasn't an emperor or a famous general. But somehow He survived enough that Constantine elevated Him to Son of God status.

 

[TeaBiscuit]

Frankly, I don't much care about that. I don't like to hurt people and I don't do it deliberately, but I think those that believe are demonstrably wrong, they're deluded, living in a dream world. A dose of a different reality might be painful to them, but if their belief is so fragile and ill-founded that what I say hurts them, that's only what they deserve. No believers can hurt me with their beliefs, I'm as sure of my convictions as they are of theirs, and logic and evidence are on my side. If that hurts them, too bad, they need to rethink their position.

I read this forum for a very long time before joining.
You post as if your above everyone.
Then you quite frankly state you don't care.

Then you go and hide and try to be nice by saying you don't hurt delibertely.

I don't think your that stupid, you know damn well what you are doing.
You have a need to feel superior it appears, hurt them and pretend you are not intentionally doing it. Not exactly logical, or honest are we Dexter.
Calculating and cold are you.

Your an angry little man Dexter.Venting your ideas over and over and over again.
And with whom?
And where?

You could never prove there is no God just as no one can prove there is a God.

But I ask you .Do you see the inner wisdom in physics, life and it's wonderous marvels.
What cause created such an effect.
This planet is a miracle of wonderous life producing stuff. Held together with a Wisdom beyond anything humanly possible to produce.

What cause created such an effect Dexter Sinister?

 

[TeaBiscuit]

I think there is definitely a supreme power (man wasn't invented by an equal & I doubt if he evolved from a lesser form) you just can't make pearls from swine. .

Look at the genetic Wisdom.
Look at the evolutionary Wisdom held within life itself.
Man wasn't invented , Man evolved from a Wisdom within the very fabric of life itself.
A very patient Wisdom .
There has to be a cause for this wonderous effect.

 

[AnnaG]

IN over 60 years no one has convinced me that there IS a book that has the ACTUAL answers about God.

Yup. We are left with supposition, conjecture, and hypotheses. People know people have invented gods before, there is no reason to suspect that it's changed any. Danu, Loki, Ra, etc. all of these gods representing some part of natural phenomenon have been shown to be figments of imagination.
There really is no god of thunder; lightning makes thunder when it strikes causing a rapid heating of air (about 30,000º C, I think) which in turn causes the air to expand, and then it cools very rapidly. So air rushes back into this area, and runs into air rushing in from the other side. This impact of air running into air causes the thunder. It's a sonic boom, not a supernatural being doing magic.
It's a bit of a mystery why people have to introduce mysticism and all sorts of strange complexities to what is simply acts of nature.