Freeman creating policing problems here too

[petros]

Is that a resaonable comparison? No it is not.

Well then why are you using laws and rules interchangeably? Is it criminal to run 5 minutes over the amount of time you purchased on a parking meter? What kind of time am I looking at for not keeping off the grass?

 

[JLM]

Is that a resaonable comparison? No it is not.

Sometimes Petros is just teasing! Right, Petros? -

 

[petros]

I see a lot of 'should have' or 'choice' mentioned in a lot of 'what if' scenarios, but tell me how, functionally, an individual or group of individuals can actually exist outside of society but within society. There will inevitably be conflict. Do we allow for everyone to pick which laws and rules to follow? Say some douchebag doesn't want to follow the law against rape, should he have the legitimate choice to do so? Or is it only selective laws one should not be allowed to follow? Who chooses those laws? What if we disagree on which laws should be allowed to be chosen?

It has to be an all or nothing game otherwise it is not equitable. It may at times seem or even be unfair on an individual basis, but it is always equitable.

Does society have a title? Why do laws, acts, statutes, ordinances vary from Province to Province, Municipality to Municipality if we're all part of the same society?

Freemen do adhere to the Criminal Code.

 

[JLM]

I see a lot of 'should have' or 'choice' mentioned in a lot of 'what if' scenarios, but tell me how, functionally, an individual or group of individuals can actually exist outside of society but within society. There will inevitably be conflict. Do we allow for everyone to pick which laws and rules to follow? Say some douchebag doesn't want to follow the law against rape, should he have the legitimate choice to do so? Or is it only selective laws one should not be allowed to follow? Who chooses those laws? What if we disagree on which laws should be allowed to be chosen?

It has to be an all or nothing game otherwise it is not equitable. It may at times seem or even be unfair on an individual basis, but it is always equitable.

I think many people who do otherwise think it's "smart" or "macho". As I've said many times there is no one less "macho" than the person trying to be "macho".................generally they are stupid! Typical example I've seen is guys outside in just their T-shirt in 10 belowC.

 

[Goober]

Well then why are you using laws and rules interchangeably? Is it criminal to run 5 minutes over the amount of time you purchased on a parking meter? What kind of time am I looking at for not keeping off the grass?

We all break laws from time to time. Could be speeding- could be the cashier rang in the wrong price(lower price) or forgets to ring something in. But do we completely divorce ourselves from society and reality. No.

 

[JLM]

We all break laws from time to time. Could be speeding- could be the cashier rang in the wrong price(lower price) or forgets to ring something in. But do we completely divorce ourselves from society and reality. No.

With minor infractions it's more the attitude than the action (or lack thereof)!

 

[taxslave]

Well then why are you using laws and rules interchangeably? Is it criminal to run 5 minutes over the amount of time you purchased on a parking meter? What kind of time am I looking at for not keeping off the grass?

That would depend on what type of grass and who it belonged to.

 

[petros]

We all break laws from time to time. Could be speeding- could be the cashier rang in the wrong price(lower price) or forgets to ring something in. But do we completely divorce ourselves from society and reality. No.

Not all things you think are "laws" are laws.

 

[Goober]

Not all things you think are "laws" are laws.

Which one?

 

[Cliffy]

We all break laws from time to time. Could be speeding- could be the cashier rang in the wrong price(lower price) or forgets to ring something in. But do we completely divorce ourselves from society and reality. No.

Who says the freemen are? None of us gets through a day without breaking a law. There are thousands of laws, many of them just stupid or out of date, but they are there and we can be busted for them if the law is having a bad day or whatever. And laws get challenged every day. Why are these guys such a threat?

 

[Goober]

Who says the freemen are? None of us gets through a day without breaking a law. There are thousands of laws, many of them just stupid or out of date, but they are there and we can be busted for them if the law is having a bad day or whatever. And laws get challenged every day. Why are these guys such a threat?

Did i say they all were?

 

[JLM]

Who says the freemen are? None of us gets through a day without breaking a law. There are thousands of laws, many of them just stupid or out of date, but they are there and we can be busted for them if the law is having a bad day or whatever. And laws get challenged every day. Why are these guys such a threat?

In a lot of cases it may be more their attitude than what they actually DO! When there are people in society who think ''they" are special and "above" everybody else then there is a problem.

 

[Cliffy]

In a lot of cases it may be more their attitude than what they actually DO! When there are people in society who think ''they" are special and "above" everybody else then there is a problem.

There are a lot of people like that... the ultra rich, for example.

 

[JLM]

There are a lot of people like that... the ultra rich, for example.

Yep, for sure and some of the ultra poor too!-

 

[petros]

Which one?

The ones that aren't rules.

Did i say they all were?

What makes some a threat?

Why are these guys such a threat?

Apparently because TV said so.

When there are people in society who think ''they" are special and "above" everybody else then there is a problem.

Society is a loose term. Do any of us have a card that say we are part of society?

Do you have any ID that says you are Canadian or is it all Provincial?

 

[Goober]

The ones that aren't rules.


What makes some a threat?

Apparently because TV said so.

Society is a loose term. Do any of us have a card that say we are part of society?

Do you have any ID that says you are Canadian or is it all Provincial?

I posted this link earlier


Anti-government

Police are wary of the Freemen, believing they could pose a risk to officers. Recently, Freemen have been trying to form their own “corps of peace officers.” The judge called them “strongly anti-government” and said certain members believed they had the unrestricted right to bear arms.

“We have our own police force,” Mika Rasila, then a self-described Freeman, said in a 2010 interview. “But what we don’t have is the compliance of the government, so what they’re doing is they’re sending out their mercenary thugs and their criminal judges.” A letter he posted online warned that “there is in fact a war coming and we the people have had enough.”

Just friendly folk. Right.

 

[petros]

believing they could pose a risk to officers

People who believe in UFOs feel that UFOs are a threat to humanity. Does that make it a truth?

Anti-government? That is a threat to whom? If Government is on the up and up what do they have to worry about.

Anybody can set up an armed police force or security agency, there are no restrictions prohibiting it and they don't have to be run by a Government.

 

[Goober]

People who believe in UFOs feel that UFOs are a threat to humanity. Does that make it a truth?

Anti-government? That is a threat to whom? If Government is on the up and up what do they have to worry about.

Anybody can set up an armed police force or security agency, there are no restrictions prohibiting it and they don't have to be run by a Government.

But they would have to adhere to laws and regulations and such. As they do not recognize these laws and regulations they would be in violation of the law. Yes?

 

[petros]

But they would have to adhere to laws and regulations and such. As they do not recognize these laws and regulations they would be in violation of the law. Yes?

Who says they don't uphold the Criminal Code (laws) or follow outlined protocol of what a policing agency requires? Have you heard otherwise or are just speculating?

 

[Goober]

Who says they don't uphold the Criminal Code (laws) or follow outlined protocol of what a policing agency requires? Have you heard otherwise or are just speculating?

Go to their websites.