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petros

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-40 is a godsend for bitumen clean up. It woud sieve or vaccum up likadeesplit without even staining the shoreline.
 

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One of my neighbours is a skipper on the Mackenzie. From what he tells me it is a lot more dangerous than running up and down the west coast. The potential for spills is high with river barges and cleanup is not easy.



That is what we have been talking about. It would be irresponsible not to build these pipelines to get resources to markets to produce both government revenue and good paying jobs in rural areas. Same with mines. Letting saleable minerals sit in the ground while there is a demand and we have both an unemployment and debt issues is fiscally irresponsible.

They don't have to sail on any rivers to get to Russia or China though.
 

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That was quite a stockpile of barrels you showed. But a proposal like Northern Gateway, or an equivalent, would ship 525,000 barrels PER DAY. One day of -40 temperatures with blowing snow and a wind chill of -70 and the scope of the spill would make a barges contents look like spit in a river. The scale of a four million barrel tanker sunk by a busting Greenland glacier would make one of those barge spills look the same way.

You need a new map. There is no possible way that a chunk of Greenland glacier is going to make it to the MacKenzie delta.
 

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-40 is a godsend for bitumen clean up. It woud sieve or vaccum up likadeesplit without even staining the shoreline.
At -50 you have to have a tiger torch on your shovel just to get the damn stuff off and that's if you can get the propane to lite.
15-40 does not go far at that temp.
Been there,done that.:) Those 45 gallon drums get drifted over very quickly.
Heres my first mini spill.

The pails and barrel are where we put the oil,it was the consistency of toffee.
 
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-40 is a godsend for bitumen clean up. It woud sieve or vaccum up likadeesplit without even staining the shoreline.

I am counting on the people involved in the review process for any future pipelines being of a somewhat less shallow capability. Fortunately the terms of reference for the hearing process do give them the option of examining issues like this from a more in depth perspective.

The question now is, if the panel recommends against building the line, will Harper and the boys see the error of their ways. Any governments personell who approved such a potential disaster and were proved wrong might be subject to legal sanction.
 
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The potential alternate route for the tarsands production was put forward as the port at Churchill.

I think they were referring to Manitoba oil not Alberta oil going to Churchill. Could do both although it doesn't make much sense to ship from Churchill to Asia by tanker. Churchill is still only a part time port and is only useful to ship to Europe. The money is in Asia so the shortest route makes the most sense and that is BC or we could let a US port do it for us and miss out on a lot of jobs and money.
 

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So fiscal responsibility, CPC style, is to develop at top speed, pollte if you must, and the devil take the consequences.

If the federal government does OK the project against the findings of the review panel - or even with their approval if the current intent to skew the process holds, and there is a spill, then Harper himself will be liable to penal repercussions. He cannot claim immunity to prosecution for such events.

And I would start a private prosecution if there were no other way.
 

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So fiscal responsibility, CPC style, is to develop at top speed, pollte if you must, and the devil take the consequences.

If the federal government does OK the project against the findings of the review panel - or even with their approval if the current intent to skew the process holds, and there is a spill, then Harper himself will be liable to penal repercussions. He cannot claim immunity to prosecution for such events.

And I would start a private prosecution if there were no other way.

And prove yourself as the laughing stock of Canada.
 

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And it sounds like they want the business.

The Arctic Bridge & Gateway

They don't talk there about shipping bitumen. The talk about sustainable development in the north is definitely not referring to tar sands work.

So fiscal responsibility, CPC style, is to develop at top speed, pollte if you must, and the devil take the consequences.

If the federal government does OK the project against the findings of the review panel - or even with their approval if the current intent to skew the process holds, and there is a spill, then Harper himself will be liable to penal repercussions. He cannot claim immunity to prosecution for such events.

And I would start a private prosecution if there were no other way.

I think this is true. In the end result using cabinet powers to squash a review, and push through a decision in favour when the information goes the other way, has to have consequences. His lawyers are going to say different but consequences there would be.
 

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I think they were referring to Manitoba oil not Alberta oil going to Churchill. Could do both although it doesn't make much sense to ship from Churchill to Asia by tanker. Churchill is still only a part time port and is only useful to ship to Europe. The money is in Asia so the shortest route makes the most sense and that is BC or we could let a US port do it for us and miss out on a lot of jobs and money.

It's still being talked about.

In a report this week, Calgary-based energy investment dealer Peters & Co. said it’s concerned about the availability of takeaway capacity in the 2015 to 2017 timeframe. The dealer estimated pipeline capacity would begin to be constrained in 2016 to 2017 based on its oil sands growth scenario if there is no new infrastructure, resulting in a heavy-oil bottleneck.

Meanwhile, new schemes are surfacing daily — more railway transport, a new pipeline from the oil sands cutting through the Prairies to the Port of Churchill in Manitoba,

Things getting sticky in oil sands | Energy | News | Financial Post

I imagine the line would have to be above ground if it crosses the permafrost,at least it cant soak into the ground much if it did fail.
 
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petros

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The potential alternate route for the tarsands production was put forward as the port at Churchill.
So there IS a plan Stan?

So fiscal responsibility, CPC style, is to develop at top speed, pollte if you must, and the devil take the consequences.
Nooooo. Sk's resource success was kicked off by provincial NDP by lowering royalties and exploration tax credits.

Hey wow. A plan that doesn't exist, exisits.
 

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It's nice to know that if B.C. wants to hold Alberta hostage for more oil money that we do have options with Manitoba.They are already trying to establish themselves as a major trade center and being situated where they are and all the other work done on highway routes into the USA.......looks like they are doing their homework.
With all the big outfits sharing R.O.W.s now it may also be good for SK to pop in a heavy oil pipeline right next to the one from the oilsands.
Why send our Canadian resources all the way to the west coast if Churchill is closer and shipping time to some destinations is shorter?
 

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Let's see MB or AB ship oil to anywhere besides the US.
What happens if the US decides to make Iraq or some other ME country its major supplier of oil instead of Canada?
The US pretty well committed itself to being reliant on ME blood oil for awhile.
The thing you have to remember is the world runs on oil and last year fort mac had lots of foreign investors trying to secure a future supply with huge sagd projects.If they cant develop these and ship their goods they will pay what they have to and get er done.
The permits were approved a long time ago,you guys think Suncor is big? You have not seen anything yet.

Lot's of US companies entrenched in the middle east like Haliburton,I cant see them leaving soon.Too many people with their fingers in the pie.