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Well we got CBC so why not let them share a channel? Also a bunch of french channels that nobody watches. I don't much care s long as I don't have to pay for if. If no one watches their ratings will be so low that there will be no advertising revenue to cover costs and bye bye fantasy channel.
 

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Well we got CBC so why not let them share a channel? Also a bunch of french channels that nobody watches. I don't much care s long as I don't have to pay for if. If no one watches their ratings will be so low that there will be no advertising revenue to cover costs and bye bye fantasy channel.
Yeah, I say let them in and let's see what they produce. I'm curious now.

Perhaps editorials ranting about Europeans sticking their nose into the seal hunt?

 

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You're right; mea culpa.

Well we got CBC so why not let them share a channel? Also a bunch of french channels that nobody watches. I don't much care s long as I don't have to pay for if. If no one watches their ratings will be so low that there will be no advertising revenue to cover costs and bye bye fantasy channel.
APTN is still around and nobody watches it.
 

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Now I'm curious - for those who look forward to a Canadian version of Fox News - what sort of show would you want? Just a 1 hour time slot with local and international news? Or are you looking for more of a talking heads kind of thing like The O'Reilly Factor or Hannity and Colmes? And which Canadian political celebrities would you want to see host these shows? Do we even have a Canadian version of Glenn Beck?
None of the above. I'm looking for freedom of speech.

Yeah... if they're going to let in Al-Jazeera, they might as well let in something like Fox and complete the party.
Something like Fox? Well lets just see f that's what you really think...shall we...

I think what's got me puzzled is I'm trying to figure out what spin Fox could do that would make it unique and Fox-from-a-Canadian perspective.
Oh wait. What? It's not Fox, it's SunTV News.

So what could Fox add to the picture?
Nothing, since it's SunTV News. Oh Ya, did I mention it's owned by Quebecor?

Sell Canadians on "The American Way"?
SunTV and Quebecor are Canadian.

Ridiculous.
Quite.

What could they possibly tell us about TAW that we don't know already?
Why are so confused about the fact that it's owned by a Canadian Company, with an exiting channel?

Crumb, most Canadians know more about it than do a lot of Americans. I'm the one who was at a family get-together with relatives in the states who had to explain to them what the term "multinational corporation" means.
Hmmm, more anecdotal crap.

Quite.

So how do you be "Fox" from a Canadian perspective?
You don't, you be Sun Media, a long standing media brand.

Hmm... actually... if they can be Fox from a "Canadian perspective" it could be entertaining...
Not nearly as entertaining as someone who believes this is an accutal Fox network.

- Fox-Canada could have been up north ranting about the US stopping Canadian beef exports to the US, while Fox-USA rants about the threats to the American cattle industry posed by the threat of one case of bovine encephalitis found up north.
Or like Sun media, when they published articles condemning it. Or how China banned our pork, which I noticed you don't seem to care about.

- Fox-USA can hoist the banner of the republic form of government, insisting that all the world should convert to a system like theirs, while Fox-Canada can have a special regular Monarchy-gossip feature that tracks the latest actions of Canada's most conservative institution.
Or they can offer the same political fodder they offer in Sun media papers now.

*sigh* :roll:
I did the same thing after reading your post.

Why don't Fox News and the Comedy Channel share their resources?
You mean they haven't?

To me it's curious they'd think they have a niche here.
They don't. But somebody has been suckered by a nic applied to them, and he's running wild with it, while looking ridiculous.

... I'm just trying to wrap my head around what the product would be if one were to produce news and editorializing that's from a "Canadian perspective" yet done with the mentality of a FOX-head.
Keep trying to wrap your head around it, it should provide us all with many laughs as you continuously run screaming around the house, "Fox is coming, Fox is coming!!!"

Hmm... :scratch:
No doubt.

Who's got the remote?
The ideology is on all the channels.

Yeah, I say let them in and let's see what they produce.
Let who in? Quebecor Inc?

I'm curious now.
Funny, you spelled confused wrong.

APTN is still around and nobody watches it.
I do to!
 

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Why don't Fox News and the Comedy Channel share their resources? It would be a mutually beneficial relationship.

I thought that's where Jon Stewart's show comes in...

What I don't get is there are a bunch of people on here who seem to think that 'Fox News North' is something to do with Fox News...if you're that confused, you're hardly qualified to comment on the issue.
 

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APTN is still around and nobody watches it.

HEY! I do! Often!

:protest: And it irritates the heck out of me that on $haw's @#%&!!! cable service it's not placed in the 'basic channels'.

Current members of the board of directors of Quebecor Inc. are: Françoise Bertrand - former Chairperson CRTC (well, well... I think they're gonna get whatever they want!); Robert Dutton - RONA CEO; Jean La Couture - just seems to sit on Boards, does he actually work?; Jean-Marc Eustache - Transat AT CEO & lots of Board sitting; Pierre Laurin - another Board sitter, seems like that's all they do really; Brian Mulroney - Ah hah! Now this signals backroom dealings, he hasn't even been cleared in the Hans Schreiber affair yet! (Schreiber's sitting in jail in Germany); Jean Neveu.

Does this all mean that the CRTC is playing it cute & the deal is a done one already; it's all over 'cept for divying up the cut, etc? Not that it makes any diff to me, I have a remote (well, we each have one - makes for interesting tv watching at times :violent3:) unless yet another of the few channels that has good content gets bumped by them. :roll:
 

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I thought that's where Jon Stewart's show comes in...

What I don't get is there are a bunch of people on here who seem to think that 'Fox News North' is something to do with Fox News...if you're that confused, you're hardly qualified to comment on the issue.

Thank you, TP, for pointing that out.... :)

This is SUCH a silly debate.....
 

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Thank you, TP, for pointing that out.... :)

This is SUCH a silly debate.....
Yeah, maybe, it's just that... I'm trying to imagine what niche a channel with editorializing FOX-head style would fill if delivered from a Canadian perspective.

So much of what commentators on the American channel say is about justification for throwing force all over the globe, which Canada tends not to do except when called upon as part of NATO, and about rationalizing the aspirations of giga-buck empire builders when we already have a Queen in the top position.

Who's the audience going to be?

Is it like with business magazines, where there are good ones like the London Economist, and then there are not-so good ones which serve primarily as paper for GQ gel-heads to masturbate onto while they fantasize about wearing Armani suits while firing people? Is it because we have plenty of responsible business channels, but not enough for the wankers?

And I'm also curious what the CRTC chairman's issue is. Is it because the advocates of Fox News North are trying to jump the queue? I know that it can take a long time to get through CRTC approval.

What's his problem with it?
 

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And I'm also curious what the CRTC chairman's issue is. Is it because the advocates of Fox News North are trying to jump the queue? I know that it can take a long time to get through CRTC approval.

What's his problem with it?
Because they're going for a category 1 "Must Carry" Licence.

The Globe & Mail - Report On Business Section:
CRTC refuses Sun TV’s bid for preferred status on dial

" . . In a private letter sent to Quebecor on July 5, the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission rejected Quebecor’s request for a rare must-carry license. It would have guaranteed distribution by all cable and satellite firms – and the subscriber fees that come along with that distribution. The license Quebecor requested – known as a Category 1, soon to be Category A – is rarely granted, and in March of this year, the CRTC announced that it would not consider any new applications for those licenses before October, 2011.
Quebecor applied anyway, asking for special consideration. Its reasoning, according to the letter, was that Sun TV News would be “an Information & Analysis channel,” and therefore different than its all-news competitors. . . . "

Full story:

CRTC refuses Sun TV’s bid for preferred status on dial - The Globe and Mail
 

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Because they're going for a category 1 "Must Carry" Licence.

The Globe & Mail - Report On Business Section:
CRTC refuses Sun TV’s bid for preferred status on dial

" . . In a private letter sent to Quebecor on July 5, the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission rejected Quebecor’s request for a rare must-carry license. It would have guaranteed distribution by all cable and satellite firms – and the subscriber fees that come along with that distribution. The license Quebecor requested – known as a Category 1, soon to be Category A – is rarely granted, and in March of this year, the CRTC announced that it would not consider any new applications for those licenses before October, 2011.
Quebecor applied anyway, asking for special consideration. Its reasoning, according to the letter, was that Sun TV News would be “an Information & Analysis channel,” and therefore different than its all-news competitors. . . . "

Full story:

CRTC refuses Sun TV’s bid for preferred status on dial - The Globe and Mail
Ahh, okay... in that case, I can see exactly why the CRTC chairman would want to block it.

It's not a pure-news channel, rather it's to be filled with commentators telling people vulnerable to corporate propaganda (aka spin from multinational shareholders) how to "see things our way and accept" events from an uber right-wing apologist's point of view, and that explains why the anti New World Order crowd are up in arms... to them, category 1 for that kind of channel is like having toxic propaganda shoved down a population's throat.

Okay... I get it.

He's right. If it was a pure news channel then category 1 would be justified, even if it was broadcasting only news cherry-picked to make the actions of corporations owned by multinational shareholders look good, but it's an “Information & Analysis channel”, dishing spin for a wealthy special interest group, so yeah... it should be in the optional channels category.
 

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Yeah, maybe, it's just that... I'm trying to imagine what niche a channel with editorializing FOX-head style would fill if delivered from a Canadian perspective.
Does that mean you finally understand that it isn't a Fox subsidiary?

Who's the audience going to be?
People with a differing perspective then you obviously.

Is it like with business magazines, where there are good ones like the London Economist, and then there are not-so good ones which serve primarily as paper for GQ gel-heads to masturbate onto while they fantasize about wearing Armani suits while firing people? Is it because we have plenty of responsible business channels, but not enough for the wankers?
With every post, you rip away more and more of that facade.

And I'm also curious what the CRTC chairman's issue is. Is it because the advocates of Fox News North are trying to jump the queue? I know that it can take a long time to get through CRTC approval.
They would like the channel up and running by January. The CRTC is saying October 2011.

Because they're going for a category 1 "Must Carry" Licence.

The Globe & Mail - Report On Business Section:
CRTC refuses Sun TV’s bid for preferred status on dial

" . . In a private letter sent to Quebecor on July 5, the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission rejected Quebecor’s request for a rare must-carry license. It would have guaranteed distribution by all cable and satellite firms – and the subscriber fees that come along with that distribution. The license Quebecor requested – known as a Category 1, soon to be Category A – is rarely granted, and in March of this year, the CRTC announced that it would not consider any new applications for those licenses before October, 2011.
Quebecor applied anyway, asking for special consideration. Its reasoning, according to the letter, was that Sun TV News would be “an Information & Analysis channel,” and therefore different than its all-news competitors. . . . "

Full story:

CRTC refuses Sun TV’s bid for preferred status on dial - The Globe and Mail
I like how the G&M uses the word "rare" to describe the Cat1 license.

Ahh, okay... in that case, I can see exactly why the CRTC chairman would want to block it.

It's not a pure-news channel, rather it's to be filled with commentators telling people vulnerable to corporate propaganda (aka spin from multinational shareholders) how to "see things our way and accept" events from an uber right-wing apologist's point of view, and that explains why the anti New World Order crowd are up in arms...
The big chunk of your facade being torn away, aside. It is no different then the other "all news" service from the CBC.

to them, category 1 for that kind of channel is like having toxic propaganda shoved down a population's throat.
Don't you know how to change a channel?
Okay... I get it.
I don't believe you.

He's right. If it was a pure news channel then category 1 would be justified, even if it was broadcasting only news cherry-picked to make the actions of corporations owned by multinational shareholders look good, but it's an “Information & Analysis channel”, dishing spin for a wealthy special interest group, so yeah... it should be in the optional channels category.
Excellent, I'll take that as you wishing to see the CBC dismantled then.

Good call.
 
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HEY! I do! Often!

:protest: And it irritates the heck out of me that on $haw's @#%&!!! cable service it's not placed in the 'basic channels'.
In Wyoming, the native lobby (mostly Shoshone, but some others as well) got their channel on the "basic offerings" category, but they had to fight for it.

Wyoming's an interesting state, because the white population is extremely polarized between Republican and Democrat, such that the two most popular channels were Fox and PBS, but the natives were feeling left out by both, and they couldn't find any other station on the dial to represent their issues.

They already had their own community channel generating tacky community-channel production, but they wanted it to go state-wide to reach the Shoshone diaspora, and they wanted it on the standard-offerings list because to make it optional would mean having to pay extra, and Shoshone are not rich.

When asked what justified their channel being on the standard-offerings list, it came up that a native channel would be too "special interest", so the natives said they would also offer non-native coverage from a middle-ground point of view, and they used as their examples the CBC - when poled, 50% of Canadians say it's too liberal, while 50% say it's too conservative - because there was no middle-ground programming for whites in Wyoming, and that although there were many moderate channels to choose from, none of them would touch on things from a Wyoming perspective because the audience was too small a market-share of the US population.

The carriers' countered with a question about why they needed a "moderate, objective" channel when nobody among the whites was complaining about a lack of objective coverage... they weren't fighting, and indeed, although white Wyomingites are extremely polarized between Republican and Democrat, they are also extremely respectful of each others' political tendencies, such that they don't argue about it.

Indeed that's true, and I asked my Wyoming relatives about that - how in the same family there could be staunch Republicans on one side, and staunch Democrats on the other, yet they'd get along just fine at family gatherings, and they told me it's because conflicts only feed lawyers, who depend on conflict to make a living...

... whereupon an Uncle went into a story about his years as a young man working in Chicago, where he would watch informal groups of lawyers do two-pronged actions of first fueling conflicts by fanning into flames any differences between groups they could find (whereupon they'd jump in on both sides and argue against each other in court with twinkles in their eyes as the bills wracked up, with nobody noticing that the lawyers were friends and colleagues outside the courtroom), and second by doing their best to crap all over any signs of objectivity that might lead to consensus among the groups.

He said the eastern lawyers' number one fear was that people would get rational and start settling their differences objectively in order to reach a consensus, and he went on about how Wyomingites were perfectly capable of achieving a consensus with or without rational objectivity by virtue of their guns, and he went on to explain how in the Wyoming state of mind, guns to keep the peace were saving them a fortune in lawyer's fees, against whom he had a serious issue after having watched how they operate back east.

In the end, the Shoshone got their state-wide basic-service classification, but it wasn't by offering a service that would have native programming plus fill the middle-ground niche of coverage for whites... it was by virtue of the simple fact that they were a significant percentage of the state's population spread out over a wide diaspora *and* they had to promise to only offer programming relevant to natives, and believe it or not, part of the deal was that they stop talking about the CBC, because, according to rumor, the CBC was already being offered on their "special channels" menu for those Wyomingites who wanted middle-ground coverage, and they didn't want to worry about it being pushed into standard-offering classification like they were being pestered to in Montana and North Dakota, plus their lawyers just hated the CBC in general.

I can believe that, because I dated a girl from Montreal for several years, who had a brother and a cousin who were lawyers, and they *hated* the CBC. I would ask her why, and mostly she'd just shake her head and change the subject, but if you got enough wine into her she's grumble things about it being bad for business.
Current members of the board of directors of Quebecor Inc. are: Françoise Bertrand - former Chairperson CRTC (well, well... I think they're gonna get whatever they want!); Robert Dutton - RONA CEO; Jean La Couture - just seems to sit on Boards, does he actually work?; Jean-Marc Eustache - Transat AT CEO & lots of Board sitting; Pierre Laurin - another Board sitter, seems like that's all they do really; Brian Mulroney - Ah hah! Now this signals backroom dealings, he hasn't even been cleared in the Hans Schreiber affair yet! (Schreiber's sitting in jail in Germany); Jean Neveu.

Does this all mean that the CRTC is playing it cute & the deal is a done one already; it's all over 'cept for divying up the cut, etc? Not that it makes any diff to me, I have a remote (well, we each have one - makes for interesting tv watching at times :violent3:) unless yet another of the few channels that has good content gets bumped by them. :roll:
Oh well ain't that sweet.

You know, collusions like that are exactly what the Reform Party used to stand against, but what with the Reform Party taking over the Progressive Conservative party and renaming it the Conservative party, now it looks like they're playing the same games.

If Harper ever got a majority I'd feel like it's time to emigrate, but believe it or not I'm actually starting to empathize with hard-core Reform Party supporters - whom I figure are just too blinkin' extreme - and how ticked they must be feeling about some of Harper's actions.
 
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In Wyoming, the native lobby (mostly Shoshone, but some others as well) got their channel on the "basic offerings" category, but they had to fight for it.
Isn't that a sweet story, got a link to some facts?
I can believe that, because I dated a girl from Montreal for several years, who had a brother and a cousin who were lawyers, and they *hated* the CBC. I would ask her why, and mostly she'd just shake her head and change the subject, but if you got enough wine into her she's grumble things about it being bad for business.
Well forget a link then, that clears it all up.

You know, collusions like that are exactly what the Reform Party used to stand against, but what with the Reform Party taking over the Progressive Conservative party and renaming it the Conservative party, now it looks like they're playing the same games.
Do I have to post my list again? The one with over 230 acts of Liberal unethical behavior and moral bankruptcy?

You seem to be under the impression that only the Conservatives are from the "dark side".

If Harper ever got a majority I'd feel like it's time to emigrate, but believe it or not I'm actually starting to empathize with hard-core Reform Party supporters - whom I figure are just too blinkin' extreme - and how ticked they must be feeling about some of Harper's actions.
The funny thing is, you say that "dark side" comment was off the cuff. But you keep projecting the same mentality, over and over.

I watched that the other day and it made me LOL.
 

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Fox News does not spread hate, it offers an alternative viewpoint to the very, very liberal views of the other TV channels in the USA. Of course, those that firmly believe that government should control every aspect of our lives, do not appreciate any other viewpoint, and label a call for individual freedom and responsibility as being "hate".

Most of the links that the author of this thread posted are pure bunkum. They are opinions, based on primarily 2nd hand information at best, and often not even based on anything that close to reality.

As an example, Glen Beck never compared Mr. Obama to Lucifer. That was an ultra leftists intrepretation of what Glen Beck said, not what the man actually said.

Too many Canadians are afraid to have any alternative points of view at all. It is the governments pablum, or nothing at all. Keep in mind, that so long as any government controls news media, you will never get unfettered news.

Of course the CBC is against this. They are deathly afraid of any form of competition. They know that if they actually have to compete, in a free television market, they will die. They quite literally could not continue without massive government subsidies (and with money comes control), just as PBS could not continue in the States without massive government funding.

It is sad that so many Canadians are fearful of competition. I suspect that they know that all too many things in Canada are 2nd rate (or lower on the scale), and that if they really have to compete with non-subsidized companies, they will fail.

And the educational system of course promotes the concept that big brother IS the answer. After all, they know where their funding comes from, don't they?

If Fox News were not speaking to the beliefs of most Americans, it would be a fringe network like MSNBC is. But, it reflects the views of the majority of the people in the USA, and as a result, it is now the biggest news channel in the USA, with an audience far larger than CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN and MSNBC combined.

You don't grow like that, without providing what the people want.
 

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Of course the CBC is against this. They are deathly afraid of any form of competition. They know that if they actually have to compete, in a free television market, they will die. They quite literally could not continue without massive government subsidies (and with money comes control), just as PBS could not continue in the States without massive government funding.
You can say that again...
 

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Fox News does not spread hate, it offers an alternative viewpoint to the very, very liberal views of the other TV channels in the USA. Of course, those that firmly believe that government should control every aspect of our lives, do not appreciate any other viewpoint, and label a call for individual freedom and responsibility as being "hate".

Most of the links that the author of this thread posted are pure bunkum. They are opinions, based on primarily 2nd hand information at best, and often not even based on anything that close to reality.

As an example, Glen Beck never compared Mr. Obama to Lucifer. That was an ultra leftists intrepretation of what Glen Beck said, not what the man actually said.

Too many Canadians are afraid to have any alternative points of view at all. It is the governments pablum, or nothing at all. Keep in mind, that so long as any government controls news media, you will never get unfettered news.

Of course the CBC is against this. They are deathly afraid of any form of competition. They know that if they actually have to compete, in a free television market, they will die. They quite literally could not continue without massive government subsidies (and with money comes control), just as PBS could not continue in the States without massive government funding.

It is sad that so many Canadians are fearful of competition. I suspect that they know that all too many things in Canada are 2nd rate (or lower on the scale), and that if they really have to compete with non-subsidized companies, they will fail.

And the educational system of course promotes the concept that big brother IS the answer. After all, they know where their funding comes from, don't they?

If Fox News were not speaking to the beliefs of most Americans, it would be a fringe network like MSNBC is. But, it reflects the views of the majority of the people in the USA, and as a result, it is now the biggest news channel in the USA, with an audience far larger than CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN and MSNBC combined.

You don't grow like that, without providing what the people want.

Why are you commenting on what Canadians want and don't want? It is clear from many of your own posts that you have enough trouble understanding your own nation much less one you know so little about.

FOX doesn't spread hatred? - Maybe not, but it does its level best to do so.
Glenn Beck didn't compare Obama Lucifer? - May not, but he certainly linked Obama's policies with Lucifer. You can watch it here
YouTube - Glenn Beck says Obama aspires to be Lucifer (Satan)
You have to watch carefully; it is near the end of Beck's usual incoherent rant.

So far as the CBC news is concerned I would stack it up against any of the US privately owned news networks. Your comments about PBS show that you don't know much about that either. There is no massive government funding. The budget for PBS for 2010 was less than half what the CBC gets and the US has 10 times Canada's population.

So far as popularity is concerned you must have missed the Thread where it was pointed out that FOX news receives only a little over one million viewers a night. If it reflects the views of a majority of Americans why don't a majority of Americans watch it? You did get one thing right comparing FOX to fringe networks like MSNBC, but you missed the point that FOX is a fringe network as well. 1.25 million viewers does not make it a major network. Here is a link for viewership for evening news programs in the US. Please note that ABC, NBC, and CBS all beat FOX quite handily.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/09/0...ers-adults-25-54-and-homes-for-the-week/26616

As for Canada having "second rate" institutions compared to the US there is a reason for that. Canada has a larger area than the US with one-tenth the population. In addition, only about 10% of Canada is considered arable compared to about 45% for the US. Link that with Canada's shorter growing season and it is not hard to see why the US has the advantage there as well. As a result Canada manages to beat the US in only a few areas like education, health care, and a lower murder rate. What you should be asking yourself is with the advantages the US has over Canada how does Canada manage to be superior in any areas at all?
 

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Why are you commenting on what Canadians want and don't want? It is clear from many of your own posts that you have enough trouble understanding your own nation much less one you know so little about.
That made me LOL.

FOX doesn't spread hatred? - Maybe not, but it does its level best to do so.
Glenn Beck didn't compare Obama Lucifer? - May not, but he certainly linked Obama's policies with Lucifer. You can watch it here
YouTube - Glenn Beck says Obama aspires to be Lucifer (Satan)
You have to watch carefully; it is near the end of Beck's usual incoherent rant.
But that isn't news, that's Op/Ed commentary.

So far as the CBC news is concerned I would stack it up against any of the US privately owned news networks.
Including Fox?

That aside, it can't hold water in it's own market, how do you think it can "stack up" against American news giants?

So far as popularity is concerned you must have missed the Thread where it was pointed out that FOX news receives only a little over one million viewers a night. If it reflects the views of a majority of Americans why don't a majority of Americans watch it? You did get one thing right comparing FOX to fringe networks like MSNBC, but you missed the point that FOX is a fringe network as well. 1.25 million viewers does not make it a major network.
Fox, and it's subsidiaries are a huge TV network dude.


Here is a link for viewership for evening news programs in the US. Please note that ABC, NBC, and CBS all beat FOX quite handily.

“NBC Nightly News” Beats The Competition In Total Viewers, Adults 25-54 And Homes For the Week
An article from September 2009, on the Nielsen rating of one week?

You are kidding right?

How about we stay current and look at a whole month...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...s-wallace-excels-in-glenn-beck-interview.html

As for Canada having "second rate" institutions compared to the US there is a reason for that. Canada has a larger area than the US with one-tenth the population. In addition, only about 10% of Canada is considered arable compared to about 45% for the US. Link that with Canada's shorter growing season and it is not hard to see why the US has the advantage there as well. As a result Canada manages to beat the US in only a few areas like education, health care, and a lower murder rate. What you should be asking yourself is with the advantages the US has over Canada how does Canada manage to be superior in any areas at all?
Your weak comparisons aside, the nationalist in you is escaping, careful.
 
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