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CDNBear

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The first time I tuned into Fox on cable some guy was ranting about how unemployed people should trust Jesus and support the corporations who made them unemployed and sent their jobs overseas because it was God's plan for China's salvation, or something like that. I thought I'd tuned into a Saturday Night Live or MAD TV skit.
Good thing "Fox North" was just a pejorative nic applied to SunTV by people who believe free speech is only for the left then eh?

After a bit it dawned on me that the guy was being serious, and it reminded me why I don't watch a lot of TV, but it's still creepy to think that he wouldn't be on the air saying stuff like that unless *someone* was lapping it up.
It would be nice to see a clip of this supposed rant.

I mean you are trying to make a case for how bad Fox is, with this anecdote, so it would be nice to see some proof to back it up.
 
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ironsides

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I have no issues with the US Fox news and political shows being shown here but if they're going to create a Canadian version where the whole idea is to create division between our political parties to cause a big ruckus which will get everyone watching so they can make money for their share holders then I would definitely have a problem with that.

I think there was an old Star Trek episode like that. The more the crew argued and fought, the more the aliens grew in power. :p

You need division between your political parties, look how many you have and yet politics are still boring. Everyone for the most part go after our two nut cakes. :lol:

I really dislike the American Fox channel's talking heads (Hannity, Coulter, O'Reilly, Beck etc) because of their extremist pov's and fear mongering and I hope we won't see those same kinds of personalities appear in a Canadian version. And it's easy to say if you don't like it, don't watch it, but good god - look at how many followers Beck now has with his bizarre "the sky is falling" ramblings. Are we a little more savvy or skeptical than Americans when it comes to believing what we see and hear on the "news"? I hope so.

Just don't listen or watch them, that is your choice. No, your not anymore savvy or skeptical than we are, we just seem to have more choices available at the moment. (good/bad)

We have Al-Jazeera available here, so I really don't see what the problem is.

It amazes me that some people can get so worked up about a TV channel, if you don't like it don't watch it, Nuff said.
Why are so many afraid of FOX? Poor little Sarah Palin really has them terrified. :)
 

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Now I'm curious - for those who look forward to a Canadian version of Fox News - what sort of show would you want? Just a 1 hour time slot with local and international news? Or are you looking for more of a talking heads kind of thing like The O'Reilly Factor or Hannity and Colmes? And which Canadian political celebrities would you want to see host these shows? Do we even have a Canadian version of Glenn Beck?
 

ironsides

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FOX is a 24 hour network - news, commentators, those guys you don't like etc. I don't think there will be a choice of when it will be on. You will either have a new station or not. You probably will get a Canadian version of Glenn Beck if you don't already have one.
 

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We have Al-Jazeera available here, so I really don't see what the problem is.
Yeah... if they're going to let in Al-Jazeera, they might as well let in something like Fox and complete the party.

Heck, it might actually contribute something... I mean, crumb, during the G8/G20 Al-Jazeera was the only one doing accurate reporting of the demonstrations. Everyone else - even CBC - just played a clip of a kid molotoving a cop-car in a loop, while Al Jazeera was the only one showing where the real mass of (peacfull) protesting was happening.
It amazes me that some people can get so worked up about a TV channel, if you don't like it don't watch it, Nuff said.
Yup.

I think what's got me puzzled is I'm trying to figure out what spin Fox could do that would make it unique and Fox-from-a-Canadian perspective.

I mean, if there was a market for a channel pumping out a steady stream of ultra-right bilge then CanWest or CTVglobamedia could crack a new channel in no time, but they haven't, any more than they've cracked a channel to spew forth a steady stream of uber-left plop.

So what could Fox add to the picture? Sell Canadians on "The American Way"? Ridiculous. What could they possibly tell us about TAW that we don't know already? Crumb, most Canadians know more about it than do a lot of Americans. I'm the one who was at a family get-together with relatives in the states who had to explain to them what the term "multinational corporation" means.

Are they going to feed us a steady stream of hype about why we should be ra-ra for the good ol' USA? Idiotic. They'd mostly be preaching to the choir. Most French-Canadians I know like the US better than English Canada, and as an English Canadian it's me who should be broadcasting to them to stop being paranoid and get it through their heads that not everybody hates them.

So how do you be "Fox" from a Canadian perspective? Tell us we should be advocates, or at least tolerant, of global Free Trade? Who are they going to tell that to? The natives up north who found minerals on their reserves who made partnership deals with China to build mines and pay royalties and hire as many natives as possible? The softwood sector wondering when the US is going to start building houses again? The cattlemen who got PO'd when they were blocked exporting to the US when one case of bovine encephalitis was found?

Hmm... actually... if they can be Fox from a "Canadian perspective" it could be entertaining...

- Fox-Canada could have been up north ranting about the US stopping Canadian beef exports to the US, while Fox-USA rants about the threats to the American cattle industry posed by the threat of one case of bovine encephalitis found up north.

- Fox-USA can hoist the banner of the republic form of government, insisting that all the world should convert to a system like theirs, while Fox-Canada can have a special regular Monarchy-gossip feature that tracks the latest actions of Canada's most conservative institution.

- Fox-USA can rant about how the north is in danger from Russians doing training maneuvers in old Tupolevs over the arctic while Fox-Canada can rant about the US not recognizing Canada's claim to the northern archipelago.

- All-in-all, it would be Fox-USA pushing for American global dominance, and Fox-Canada ranting about the American threat to Canadian sovereignty.

*sigh* :roll:
 
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gingersnap

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I would love to see Canadian political pundits on an American owned Fox Network Show debate Canadian sovereignty.

I'm sold ... bring it on. :canada:
 

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Now I'm curious - for those who look forward to a Canadian version of Fox News - what sort of show would you want? Just a 1 hour time slot with local and international news? Or are you looking for more of a talking heads kind of thing like The O'Reilly Factor or Hannity and Colmes? And which Canadian political celebrities would you want to see host these shows? Do we even have a Canadian version of Glenn Beck?

I don't look forward to it but I agree with the stance that its nothing to fear for a number of reasons.

- we don't have to watch it if we don't want to
- there are laws to prevent libelous and defamatory editorials (there are in the US as well but there seems to be a great fear of fabricated hate-mongering)
- as others have said, having a means to differentiate between the Conservative Party and the Liberal Party isn't a bad thing
- (sort of an addendum to the last point) airing of different view points is rarely detrimental but more can be beneficial... not saying that any particular political dogma has it right or has a greater chance to reveal any great truth, but the more options we have to choose from, the greater the chance one of them will get it right on any one issue
- (again as others have pointed out) we already allow reporting from what some consider to be a radical perspective in outlets like Al-Jazheera, so where is the basis to allow discrimination? Thats not a Canadian value that I grew up with...
 
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I don't think FOX is after Canadian sovereignty, nor is the U.S.. Don't be so nervous.
I know, but if there were to be a channel programmed with FOX style thinking that is supposed to be biased towards a Canadian perspective, then something like threats to sovereignty is *exactly* the kind'a thing that a FOX-head would grab onto and inflate.
 

Machjo

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Why don't Fox News and the Comedy Channel share their resources? It would be a mutually beneficial relationship.
 
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Calling these people names is not the answer exposing what they are is the answer.
The right wing Fox News has little credibility except with the nut cases like Sarah
Palin and that whole disfunctional group. The Palin Family reminds me of the old
TV show from the late fifties, remember Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman.
There is a crew of people on Fox that would make good comedy if nothing else,
but hate and scewed propaganda are two different things.
 
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Calling these people names is not the answer exposing what they are is the answer.
The right wing Fox News has little credibility except with the nut cases like Sarah
Palin and that whole disfunctional group. The Palin Family reminds me of the old
TV show from the late fifties, remember Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman.
There is a crew of people on Fox that would make good comedy if nothing else,
but hate and scewed propaganda are two different things.
As a matter of fact I do remember Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman, and you're right... they'd be a logical tag-team with Fox. As a matter of fact I know of a character or two who like to get high and watch the Fox editorials because it makes them laugh their guts out.

To me it's curious they'd think they have a niche here. We can tolerate the presence of an Al-Jazheera because the instant they start getting radical the Canadian people themselves would stomp all over it long before the regulators got to it, and likewise, I don't see Fox as being able to do anything equivalently radical... I'm just trying to wrap my head around what the product would be if one were to produce news and editorializing that's from a "Canadian perspective" yet done with the mentality of a FOX-head.

Hmm... :scratch:
 
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Walter

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Calling these people names is not the answer exposing what they are is the answer.
The right wing Fox News has little credibility except with the nut cases like Sarah
Palin and that whole disfunctional group. The Palin Family reminds me of the old
TV show from the late fifties, remember Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman.
There is a crew of people on Fox that would make good comedy if nothing else,
but hate and scewed propaganda are two different things.
Mary Hartman had her show in the 80's.