Ford's fight against the carbon tax is DOOMED

Walter

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The best way to defeat the idiot's carbon tax scam is charge it to motorists and then give it back as a refundable tax credit.

No. Do this and the gubmint will skim a lot of it before giving it back. Best to leave the money in the pockets of people who earned it.
 

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No. Do this and the gubmint will skim a lot of it before giving it back. Best to leave the money in the pockets of people who earned it.
No that does not employ government workers.
 

Curious Cdn

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Ford's fight against the carbon tax is DOOMED

He'll need to find another source of tax revenue to make up the shortfall. Fresh air tax? Empty pop can tax? Walking down the street on a quiet Sunday morning tax?

Carbon tax was a new and creative method of topping up the coffers and something as equally creative is in order.
 

spilledthebeer

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Yeah, like spending less.


Poor LIE-berals!!!!!!!!! T|hey just do not get the idea of spending LESS!


Spending less means LESS GRAVY for civil service union Hogs!


Spending less means LESS GRANT MONEY for bigots like Black Lives Matter and the native imbeciles at Idle No More who are trying to portray Cree Atiwapiskat Band Council members as victims for govt bullying because they burned through $150 million dollars of tax money without building a single house- that the money was designated for- AND without leaving behind a single receipt to show where the money went!



Spending less means forcing school boards to STOP using building maintenance funds to supply more gravy for Hogs- while buildings fall apart!


Spending less means the LIE-beral mouldy green energy mess will be cut back so that we will no longer have to pay a billion dollars or more to the LIE-beral pals who are producing that mouldy green power- that LIE-berals REFUSED TO SHUT OFF!! With the result we had to re-sell that power to Yankees AT A LOSS!


Having Ford in charge means we will begin to use our resources wisely- to avoid crap like this:





Here is another article illustrating LIE-beral greed and stupidity and why electricity costs so much. With some comments of my own in brackets):

The shocking incompetence of Liberal energy policy

First posted: Saturday, July 01, 2017 07:17 PM EDT | Updated: Saturday, July 01, 2017 07:59 PM EDT

As Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne might say, given her propensity for wasting our money, “What’s another billion?”

This time, a billion dollars is the amount the Ontario Society of Professional Engineers (OSPE) says the Wynne government wasted last year alone dumping clean energy down the drain.

OSPE past president Paul Acchione explained the culprit is “curtailment ... an industry term that means the power was not needed in Ontario, and could not be exported, so it was dumped.

“It’s when we tell our dams to let the water spill over top, our nuclear generators to release their steam, and our wind turbines not to turn, even when it’s windy,” Acchione said.

“These numbers show that Ontario’s cleanest source of power is literally going down the drain because we’re producing too much ... it’s an unnecessary waste of beautiful, clean energy, and it’s driving up the cost of electricity.”

(Much of this mess is driven by the need to make room on the power grid for the mouldy green energy so beloved of LIE-berals! LIE-berals have agreed to buy any and all green energy produced by friends of the LIE-beral Party- at rates hundreds of percent above the cost of other forms of generation- and LIE-berals do not care that we have NO WAY to shut off the production of mouldy green even when we have way more power than we need! LIE-beral friends ARE ENTITLED and to shut off their flow of gravy for any reason would be LIE-beral/WRONG!)

This is distinct from the money Ontario loses when it sells electricity to Quebec and the U.S. at a loss because we have a huge energy surplus.

“Taken together,” Acchione said, “total exports represent nearly enough electricity to power every home in Ontario for an entire year.”

The situation is so bad — according to a 2015 report by Auditor General Bonnie Lysyk, Ontario pays twice the U.S. average for wind power and 3.5 times for solar power — that the basic theory of successful investing, buy low, sell high, has been turned on its head in Ontario.

Here, our Liberal government buys high and sells low, which we all pay for through our hydro bills.

OSPE says the root problem is the politicization of energy policy.

(The most outrageous part of LIE-beral policy is that our green energy is actually producing MORE air pollution- NOT LESS! First we have the huge plume of green house gas to produce all the concrete and steel for wind towers and support towers to connect to the main power grid; plus the array of toxic chemicals needed to make the carbon fibre wind blades; then add in the fuel for natural gas fired generators that MUST be kept FULLY fired up 24/7 and ready to take over at a moments notice because the costly green energy is so unreliable! LIE-berals have turned our electrical generation system into a VAST slush fund for LIE-beral pals- WITHOUT actually doing anything to clean the air!)

“It is imperative that we depoliticize what should be technical judgments regarding energy mix, generation, distribution, pricing and future investments in Ontario,” President Jonathan Hack said.

But even when the Liberal government gets good advice from its experts, it ignores it.

(Water powered generators are the cheapest form of generators but they are also the easiest to SHUT OFF- just a flip of the switch and water spills away- with the added bonus that water generators need the smallest work force to operate since the technology is so simple. But a nuclear power station- with highly skilled staff- takes three days to go safely from idle speed to full power and another three days to go back to idle again- no fast reaction there! And thanks to the greed and incompetence of Atomic Energy scientists, our govt has hired specialists from Britain and France to run the nuclear plants- and their corporate bosses EXPECT a return on their investment in our system! So for reasons of political expediency AND LIE-beral GREED, the cheapest and cleanest form of electrical generation-water power- is being DUMPED!)

Lysyk in 2015 — completing work started by her predecessor, Jim McCarter, in 2011 — reported that Ontario paid $9.2 billion extra for 20-year contracts with wind and solar power developers because it sweetened the deals, despite the fact its own experts said its existing procurement program was successfully doing the job.

Even worse, Ontario didn’t need wind and solar power to replace coal-fired electricity, which the Liberals actually did with nuclear power and natural gas.

The ultimate absurdity is that the Liberals continue to sign new wind and solar contracts, despite the province’s massive energy surplus, caused in part by the loss of manufacturing jobs due to skyrocketing electricity prices.

If you think the Liberals don’t know what they’re doing, other than kicking the crisis down the road by subsidizing electricity prices to the tune of $24 billion, which could eventually cost Ontarians up to $93 billion, according to Ontario Financial Accountability Officer Stephen LeClair, you’re right.

(Ontari-owe LIE-berals remain dedicated to their mouldy green energy slush fund. They have read the tea leaves and know they will not likely be in power after the June 2018 election- so they have quietly signed 4 year labour contracts with the civil service Hogs that are virtually the ONLY supporters of LIE-berals and they will hope we have short memories and can be persuaded to re-elect LIE-berals in the 2022 election!)

(If LIE-berals do retain power in the 2018 election then in 2019 we can look forward to an economic blood bath as LIE-berals loot and pillage to pay off their HUGE IOU`s to civil service Hogs! And if they return to power in 2022, then we can look forward THEN to the economic blood bath that LIE-berals want to drown us in as they seek to cling to power at any price!)

(Old news reports from several years back- the ones LIE-beral friendly news media now do not want to discuss-.told us that 97 percent of ALL civil service union Hog pensions were rapidly approaching bankrupt status. LIE-berals cannot shovel cash fast enough into the greedy pockets of Hogs with the result that the cost of LIE-beral promises grows rapidly at a pace way beyond inflation with each passing day- compounded and amortized! We could not pay when the promises were originally made and we cannot pay now that the mess has been added to with compound interest! But LIE-berals WILL continue to use our electrical generation system to milk cash from us any way they can! Without that gravy to placate Hogs and without the votes the gravy buys from special interest groups such as Muslims who hate us; LIE-berals could not be elected to collect dog crap in the parks!)
 

Hoid

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Yeah, like spending less.

It's been done.

 

spilledthebeer

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It's been done.





Oh POOR HOID!!!!!!



You dont even tell good LIES any more!!!!!!


Your reference to the Walkerton Water Tragedy in which DRUNKEN CIVIL SERVANT STAN KABEL did his job so poorly that seven people DIED and a hundred more were crippled to some degree is OLD NEWS!!!!



Your smear ignores the reality that Walkerton city council DELIBERATELY IGNORED ALL the recommendations made by the province- simply so the council could save gravy for itself!



While at the same time council was telling the province to bugger off- their oversight was NOT NEEDED!


Walkerton council hired drunken idiot Stan Kabel in spite of his NOT BEING QUALIFIED for the job! Idiot Stan got the job after his father retired from that job- this is LIE-beral and civil service union Hog corruption at its finest!!!!!!


And Hoid thinks he can use this stuff as an attack on Ford????


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Everything LIE-berals touch turns to shit- its now dangerous to go to a hospital because of the filthy conditions there thanks to the usual LIE-beral mis-management!!!!!


Consider: Here is an article reminding us that LIE-berals have their health care priorities ALL WRONG! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Streptococcus outbreak kills nine in London, Ont., area. Canadian Press. Published: November 28, 2017. Updated: November 28, 2017 9:41 AM EST
Filed Under: Toronto SUN/News/Ontario

Middlesex-London Health Unit

LONDON, Ont. — Health officials have issued an alert, saying nine people have died in an ongoing invasive group A streptococcus outbreak in the London, Ont., area.

The outbreak was declared more than 18 months ago and the Middlesex-London Health Unit says more than 132 cases of infection have been reported since April 1, 2016.

Of the cases, 22 per cent required treatment in intensive care, 15 per cent had Streptococcal Toxic Shock Syndrome and 15 per cent had necrotizing fasciitis — also called “flesh-eating” disease.

Associate Medical Officer of Health Dr. Gayane Hovhannisyan says about half of the cases have been among injection drug users and/or people without access to stable housing.

(LIE-berals CLAIM to be so focussed on environment issues but their actions belie that assertion! The over use of antibiotics among farm animals has encouraged germs and viruses to develop resistance to most modern drugs- LIE-berals know this but do nothing These assorted anti-biotic resistant germs then got spread into hospitals thanks to SLOPPY housecleaning by hospital staff who too often lacked the time to do a thorough cleaning job as LIE-berals have pinched health care pennies so they can direct gravy to their pals!)

(Sun writer Christina Blizzard did a piece exposing LIE-beral priorities. She told us that education budgets are rising fifty percent faster than health care budgets- IN SPITE of the fact that student numbers are falling while numbers of people seeking medical care soars! LIE-berals made their vote buying preferences CLEAR! Teachers are more LIE-beral friendly than health care workers-and the budgets and pay reflect this LIE-beral choice!)

Symptoms depend on the site of the infection and may include fever, chills, sore throat, dizziness, confusion, severe pain, redness or swelling around a wound or injured area.

Hovhannisyan says the alert has been issued because the health unit is seeing an increase in infections among people who have no connection to the outbreak in people who inject drugs or don’t have stable housing.

(IN other words- the safe injection sites beloved of LIE-berals are NOT safe! The LIE-beral approach to drug addicts is FAILING BADLY!)

“We need a better understanding of what’s happening, which is why we’ve issued this alert,” she said Monday in a news release.

The bacteria are spread by direct contact with nose and throat secretions from an infected person, or by direct contact with infected wounds or sores on the skin.

While the infections can occur year-round, the health unit said Monday that the number of infections tends to increase during the winter.

It said the majority of streptococcus infections cause relatively mild illnesses like strep throat, but sometimes more serious and potentially life-threatening infections are able to get into muscles, blood and other organs.

The health unit advises regular handwashing, covering the mouth and nose when coughing or sneezing, avoid sharing drinking and eating utensils and to not share drug paraphernalia in an effort to avoid infection.

(The number of non drug users being exposed to these dangerous germs in unsanitary hospitals is rising steadily and such rates of infection should be seen as a national shame due to he crippling and sometimes fatal nature of these infections!)
 

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No one reads long posts.

Just form the words one at a time and pretty soon you will have a whole sentence read. Stop at the period. Start the next sentence the same way and before you know it you will have read a whole paragraph.

Your welcome

It's been done.


Walkerton. A perfect example of why your health must never be let in the hands of government union employees.
 

spilledthebeer

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I do. Even yours.


Here is an article illustrating a serious national problem. With some comments of my own in brackets):

The politically correct mob is trampling free speech

By Candice Malcolm

First posted: Friday, March 24, 2017 05:36 PM EDT | Updated: Friday, March 24, 2017 06:38 PM EDT

Aaron Gunn, executive director of Generation Screwed, left, talks with Western student Blake Stewart at Western University on Thursday September 15, 2016. Project Screwd is a campaign staged by the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, taking a 12-foot-long clock showing the size of the Canada's debt to campuses across Ontario and Quebec. MORRIS LAMONT/THE LONDON FREE PRESS /POSTMEDIA NETWORK

Freedom of speech is a core principle of our free society. But everywhere we look, there are signs this freedom is being suppressed.

Our Parliament just passed a controversial Liberal motion to condemn the loosely defined “Islamophobia,” despite a lack of consensus amongst Canadians about what the term even means.

One of Canada’s top universities caved to the perpetually-offended mob and accepted the resignation from one of its scholars. The reason? Professor and former journalist Andrew Potter wrote an article that was too critical of Quebec.

And just a few weeks ago, a young campus activist in Alberta was condemned and removed from his position after sending an email that was offensive to feminists.

These are more than just isolated incidents. They’re just three of dozens of readily available examples of a political correctness mob run amok.

(It would be helpful if specific examples of alleged intolerant speech were provided. WE know that Psychology professor Jordan Peterson has enraged feminists by stating that the major reason there are so few company CEO`s is because women generally want a better balance between work and family than males- it is a simple case that males are frequently more driven than females at work yet this enrages feminists who want govt to FORCE companies to promote women!)

(We know that on any given day- a startling number of young native males will be in jail- something over 50 percent at last count- yet LIE-berals are happy to suggest that our legal system is racist- while DENYING the crap social attitudes of some of our citizens!)

(And radicals will go ape sh+t if you suggest this same crap attitude is responsible for the shootings of black criminals by cops. And LIE-berals do not wish to discuss the outstanding arrest warrants that are the reason why so many blacks get stopped by cops in the first place!)

(In the area of economics we are repeatedly told by LIE-berals that our debt is manageable- with the caveat that we avoid ANY SURPRISE ECONOMIC CHANGES- such as a trade war or hitting the debt wall or a major rise in interest rates if LIE-berals fail to handle the complex economy and trigger a recession as happened in the late 1980`s and again in 2008 when it was discovered just how little real value there was in the mortgage market!)

The breakdown of freedom of speech on campus is particularly concerning.

(AS we can see- all this LIE-beral outrage is driven by GREED- LIE-berals intend to cling to power at any price and are prepared to bribe and bully and even DENY
REALITY- just so long as they get the votes and the gravy!)

University is supposed to be a place to explore and discuss new ideas – including controversial ones. But rather than challenging the opinions of young people and preparing them for the real world, universities are quickly devolving into bastions of intolerant group-think.

Trigger warnings and safe spaces have become the norm, and speech codes and bans on offensive language are being discussed and promoting by university officials.

Alongside this crackdown on supposed hate speech, conservative events on campuses across North America are being met with violent mobs and shut down by self-described ‘anti-fascists.’

Irony is lost on these little emperors as they cry fascism over conservative ideas while using force to silence opinions they deem unacceptable.

(The ugly reality is that as our economy sinks ever deeper into crippling debt- an ever larger number of people recognize that getting govt gravy is easier than making money in our starving private economy! The drive for govt gravy is mandating all sorts of Fake News in support of that GREED!)

The anti-speech mob is getting more and more popular. For years, I have been speaking on university campuses about my book, Generation Screwed. The book chronicles the economic doom facing young people in Canada, and provides ideas and solutions for rescuing our fiscal future.

Many university campuses now have their own Generation Screwed clubs, where students get together to talk about how to tackle problems like massive government debt, high taxes and a slumping economy, while also dabbling in topics like freedom of speech and the modern campus environment.

The people attending these events are not extremists. They are regular students worried about their future. Yet, even these student-run events have become a target for the political correctness mob.

Last month, a Generation Screwed Action Forum at the University of Toronto was first disrupted by the mob – who marched into the auditorium chanting slogans and accusing the speakers of being white supremacists – and was eventually shut down.

(Irony challenged radicals use the “white supremacist” label as an insult- yet how many illegal immigrants are fighting to get into Uganda- versus how many coming to Canada? Oh yes- there ARE illegals in Morocco and Algeria but of course they are simply working their way north to lands ruled by white supremacists! Life in white ruled lands is seen by millions of migrants as being more orderly and prosperous and stable. White judges and white juries are more fair and not susceptible to bribery or manipulation! In spite of the whining of Black Lives Matter bigots- most ethnic groups count on western cops to follow the rule book very carefully- unlike their third world counterparts!)

The darlings of the left opted to pull the fire alarm and force the evacuation of the conference rather than allow students to hear opinions counter to their own.

Of course, that didn’t stop the final speaker, Ezra Levant, from carrying on his discussion outside in sub-zero temperatures.

This weekend, I will be speaking at the Generation Screwed Action Forum at the University of Calgary – that is, if the anti-speech mafia allows for it.

What these little tyrants fail to understand is that free speech will prevail. The more they use force to shut down events they don’t like, the more intrigue and interest there will be in these ideas.

The hysterics of social justice warriors and anti-fascist fascists are back-firing and helping to drive more people towards conservative ideas.

That’s because free speech trumps political correctness, even on a university campus.

(And all it takes to convince many kids that debt is BAD is for the kids to spend some time struggling to pay off that student loan! On average it now takes NINE YEARS for a kid to become debt free!
 

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People who sign on to a tax that has no use other than to pick the pockets of consumers are as stupid or stupider than the people who think that Donald Trump is a great president.



You're all ****ing sheep.
 

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Ford manages to end a $14000 rebate for buying Tesla's, in a province that pays millions of dollars to automakers to set up shop there.

The Completion Backwards Principle.
 

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Ford manages to end a $14000 rebate for buying Tesla's, in a province that pays millions of dollars to automakers to set up shop there.

The Completion Backwards Principle.


Rebate? Ha. Stay away from the shell games at the carnival. You're an easy mark.
 

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This one was disappeared by Ford's New Plan.\\


Whatever that may turn out to be.