Fed up with Religions Yet?

[Praxius]

Your OP is crap- In the 20th century how many wars were fought over religion- WW 1 and 2 - Nope - Ya lose on that- Korea - Nope - another loss- Vietnam- Racking up the losses - Gulf War 1 and 2- again another loss -
The kill rate under Hitler, Mao and Stalin- Nope - That again was nationalism and power-
The massacres in Rwanda- Again another loss- the wars in Uganda - Oops another loss.
Possible war in the ME over Iran- Again another loss.
Clearly you do not know when to cut your losses.

Is religion misused - Yes - by some- yet you have the audacity and complete ignorance to lay all the wars at the feet of religion and everyone that has a religious belief. Rather idiotic to say the least. Oh and you talk about tolerance and hatred. Yep- another big loss as you have just demonstrated it in Spades.
Rather tolerant of you

Funny... One of the main reasons for WWII starting was the attack on Jews being the problem (religion)

There was also the whole Afghanistan/Iraq/911 crap based on Islam vs. Bush's "Crusade against the Evil Doers"

Look up Crusade in the dictionary.
"often Crusade Any of the military expeditions undertaken by European Christians in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims."

or

"A holy war undertaken with papal sanction."

Kill rates between Hitler and Stalin?

Maybe you need to brush up on your history and learn a bit more about their backgrounds & why they had such kill rates.

Rwandan Genocide

In 1990, the Rwandan Patriotic Front, a rebel group composed mostly of Tutsi refugees, invaded northern Rwanda from Uganda in an attempt to defeat the Hutu-led government. They began the Rwandan Civil War, fought between the Hutu regime, with support from Francophone Africa and France, and the RPF, with support from Uganda. This exacerbated ethnic tensions in the country.....

.....Some members of the clergy participated in the massacres. In 2006, Father Athanase Seromba was sentenced to 15 years imprisonment by the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda for his role in the massacre of 2000 Tutsis. The court heard that Seromba lured the Tutsis to the church, where they believed they would find refuge. When they arrived, he ordered bulldozers to crush the refugees within and Hutu militias to kill any survivors.....

Hitler's religious views:

Adolf Hitler was raised by a Christian Catholic father and a devout Catholic mother; he ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he often made statements that affirmed a belief in Christianity....

Clearly you don't know much about the history that you speak of. :roll:

 

[Just the Facts]

A little while ago there was a terrible weather disaster in Joplin and supposedly the entire community was brought together by it. There was a huge outpouring of benevolence from every corner of the USA to relieve all the grief caused by it. So you have to wonder - where is the outpouring of grief and relief for those American Muslims under attack there???

I'm sorry, where did you say American Muslims were under attack?

 

[PoliticalNick]

To answer the question in the thread title, YES, I am fed up with all religions. They are all holier than thou sanctimonious hypocrites who are responsible for billions of deaths since, well since religion was invented.

So...

Here's a big news flash for all....

THERE IS NO GOD!!!!

None, zip, zero, nada, nil and any others you might toss in. There never was a god, there never will be a god. The worship of these imaginary figures has, throughout history, been nothing more than a way to control the masses through fear-mongering and explain what was unexplainable at the time. The ancient Greeks & Romans had gods that made the wind blow and the tides move and rain fall etc, etc. Same for most ancient civilizations back to the druids and further. Probably all the way to cavemen.

Religion can be explained as someone's made-up answer to the question why. That's all it is folks. A bunch of highly improbable to absolutely impossible reasons for things happening.

Nowadays we have scientifically explained almost everything that used to be attributed to a god or many gods or whatever some stupid f*ck in a burlap sack says is satan or what-the-f*ck-ever else you can include in religion.

Think about this scenario for a minute. Way way back in Italy somewhere this dude asks his buddy why it is raining. His pal scratches his head a bit and realizes he doesn't know the answer. Not wanting to look like an idiot by telling the friend he don't know he decides there are these guys who live in the clouds and they decide when it rains and actually make the rain. The friend tells his sister who tells her husband's mother who tells...you get the idea. Bam! now all believe it and it is a religion with gods.

Now we all know today that rain is a product of evaporation & condensation within the lower atmosphere generally influenced by such factors as topography and climate but for 1000 f*cking years or more it was this dude in the clouds and that my friends is why religion (all of them) is the biggest waste of time ever invented. You might as well worship a rock or a bush because they will make **** happen as much as any god you can invent.

 

[gerryh]

Me thinks thou dost protest too much.

 

[PoliticalNick]

The best part of this rant for me is imagining Gerry frothing at the mouth with viens bulging till his head explodes as he reads it ;-)

 

[gerryh]

lol.... hell of an imagination.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Me thinks.....

No you don't! The vatican thinks for you you poor gullible SOB!!

 

[gerryh]

Shows how much you pay attention....as in you don't..... The Vatican doesn't think for me, or my family.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Shows how much you pay attention....as in you don't..... The Vatican doesn't think for me, or my family.

Thought you were a devout catholic G.

 

[gerryh]

Thought you were a devout catholic G.

I'm a Christian, I belong to The Holy Roman Catholic Church. My kids are baptized into the faith. That being said, the "Church" is run by mortal man. It always has been. So, it has the potential for the same failings as any other man.

Unlike you, mouthing your worn out platitudes and objections,t he same crap mouthed by countless others, nothing original, nothing new, nothing that could be attributed to your own thinking, I do think for myself. I don't take what the priests tell me as the God's own truth. Neither do I take the Bible at face value.

So, like I said, you really don't pay attention, do you. You just make assumptions based on what others tell you.

 

[PoliticalNick]

I'm a Christian, I belong to The Holy Roman Catholic Church. My kids are baptized into the faith. That being said, the "Church" is run by mortal man. It always has been. So, it has the potential for the same failings as any other man.

Unlike you, mouthing your worn out platitudes and objections,t he same crap mouthed by countless others, nothing original, nothing new, nothing that could be attributed to your own thinking, I do think for myself. I don't take what the priests tell me as the God's own truth. Neither do I take the Bible at face value.

So, like I said, you really don't pay attention, do you. You just make assumptions based on what others tell you.

You almost had me until you put god and truth in the same sentence without LOL at the end. :roll:

I'm pretty sure you're a decent enough fellow there G but man, believing in the whole supreme entity thing is where the sanity ends and fruitcake begins. C'mon, really, Some white-haired dude in the sky running the universe? To quote the late, great Col Potter....sheer horse-hockey!!!

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Atheists do the same thing. Dexter as proof.

One atheist doing it proves only that one atheist does it, but I'm not guilty anyway. In general I don't much care what people believe if they keep it to themselves, but if they put it out there for discussion, or start preaching it, or try to peddle it to me at my door, or enter my life in any other way, I see no reason why I shouldn't challenge the claims and counter with what I believe to be true.

 

[gerryh]

One atheist doing it proves only that one atheist does it, but I'm not guilty anyway. In general I don't much care what people believe if they keep it to themselves, but if they put it out there for discussion, or start preaching it, or try to peddle it to me at my door, or enter my life in any other way, I see no reason why I shouldn't challenge the claims and counter with what I believe to be true.

that's not all you do, but that's ok, you continue on in your own little world with your binders on.

 

[JLM]

Whatever one believes for himself personally it is hard to ignore someone like the hopeless alcoholic who has "found God" and has restored his life. If nothing else even that much establishes at least some validity to religion.

 

[Praxius]

The best part of this rant for me is imagining Gerry frothing at the mouth with viens bulging till his head explodes as he reads it ;-)

One atheist doing it proves only that one atheist does it, but I'm not guilty anyway. In general I don't much care what people believe if they keep it to themselves, but if they put it out there for discussion, or start preaching it, or try to peddle it to me at my door, or enter my life in any other way, I see no reason why I shouldn't challenge the claims and counter with what I believe to be true.

... or if they endanger myself, my family, those I care for and the rest of society with their continued crap flinging at the other religions they don't agree with.

I can handle someone finger wagging at me and telling me I'm going to hell, as I can give them a mouthful back until they're on their knees praying to their God to cleanse their ears from the unholy tongue they just heard..... but when they start this crap like what's been going on in the last few weeks, antagonizing one another and not backing down because each thinks they're more right in what they're doing... they are creating a powder keg waiting to go off across the world.

Neither side(s) are backing down and they just keep tossing insults, flame wars and poking sticks at one another until none of us can even safely walk the streets in the daylight without getting dragged into it.

It's going to become a hell of a lot more than chanting, flag burning and protests with one dead US diplomat tossed in for good measure.

We're going to have Nut Job Muslims starting to blow up people even more, or shooting people, or beating people.... it'll go beyond just the dust cloud countries in butt-fk nowhere.... it's going to be on our doorsteps, and Christians are going to be tossing crap back at them in kind.... and while the Christians play Victim in this whole mess like they never had it coming.... it takes two to tango, and Christians have been antagonizing Muslims, knowing full well what would piss them off and knew full well how they'd react.

Yet we have these Christians acting like they had nothing to do with the mess and they were just using their freedom of expression....

... get fk'd.... this idiot who made the movie that started all of this knew damn well what he was doing and what would happen.

These idiots in France posting more cartoons to piss them off know full well what was going to happen.... and now here they all are seeking police protection because they fear for their lives as if they had no idea this would be the reaction they'd get.

We have this twits who were in this Innocence movie trying to get a court order to take the video off YouTube because they're now scared..... whom had no issue using their freedom of speech until the consequences started banging on their door and now they want courts to protect them and at the same time, attempt to wipe away the sh*t they created as if nothing happened.... being hypocrites in their use of their freedom of speech.

And while all these religions keep making things worse and worse and worse, the rest of us are stuck in the middle / cross fire..... and while we have these moderate religious followers telling us that they're not a part of the problem and it's all done by a small group of extremists and isolated incidences.... when the sh*t really hits the fan and the bullets & bombs start flying.... they're going to be stuck in it with the rest of us.

Now are they going to be true believers of their faith and defend it, or are they going to be passive, lie down and get beheaded / burned at the stake?

And what do the rest of us do who's stuck in the middle?

Guess we'll soon find out.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Whatever one believes for himself personally it is hard to ignore someone like the hopeless alcoholic who has "found God" and has restored his life. If nothing else even that much establishes at least some validity to religion.

Actually all it does is prove the power of the human mind. If the alcoholic needs to believe in some imaginary figure to also believe they can quit fine but if they had just believed in themselves and their ability to control themselves they would quit just the same.

 

[DaSleeper]

One atheist doing it proves only that one atheist does it, but I'm not guilty anyway. In general I don't much care what people believe if they keep it to themselves, but if they put it out there for discussion, or start preaching it, or try to peddle it to me at my door, or enter my life in any other way, I see no reason why I shouldn't challenge the claims and counter with what I believe to be true.

that's not all you do, but that's ok, you continue on in your own little world with your binders on.

And when a Jehova witness comes to my door, he gets the same answer as the vacum cleaner salesman ( sorry, not interested)....
I don't try to convert the guy to my way of thinking.....


Edit: Once, in my younger days, I did answer the door in my under shorts on purpouse to discourage the ladies from coming back :lol:

 

[PoliticalNick]

And when a Jehova witness comes to my door, he gets the same answer as the vacum cleaner salesman ( sorry, not interested)....
I don't try to convert the guy to my way of thinking.....


Edit: Once, in my younger days, I did answer the door in my under shorts on purpouse to discourage the ladies from coming back :lol:

A couple of tricks to keep the JWs away from your door....

1) go to red cross and get a 'blood donor' sticker. Put that on your door & you shouldn't get a knock.
2) answer door holding copy of Torah and wearing a yamulke. This usually makes them leave without saying a word.

 

[TenPenny]

it takes two to tango, and Christians have been antagonizing Muslims, knowing full well what would piss them off and knew full well how they'd react.

If somebody pushes your buttons, you have to remember they're YOUR buttons, and it's your responsibility to keep them where people can't push them.

In other words, if you let someone antagonize you, it's YOUR fault.

 

[JLM]

Actually all it does is prove the power of the human mind. If the alcoholic needs to believe in some imaginary figure to also believe they can quit fine but if they had just believed in themselves and their ability to control themselves they would quit just the same.

Maybe that is what "God" is!