Fed up with Islam Yet???

[L Gilbert]

Question #1...no
Question #2 ... no
Question #3 .... preferred, but not necessary.

your post, classic troll.

roflmao 1. http://www.openbible.info/topics/false_religion


2. Isaiah 44:6; "there is no god besides me" & Isaiah 32:10 "

Before me there was no god formed, and there will be none after me"​

John 14:6 "No man cometh unto the father but by me"

Troll I may be sometimes, but I'm no idiot.

It's a complicated subject, Les, to which I don't pretend to have any answers, but I do have one question. Is it not possible that all religions worship the same jealous God, only they call Him by different names? Maybe that's the answer we all need before any further discussion of religion makes sense. (Come on take a stab at it, Gerry) :lol:

It's just as possible as there not being any gods at all. We'll never know the answer.

 

[Just the Facts]

For instance? Doesn't Christianity teach that any other religion is BS? Doesn't it teach that the Christian god is the only true god? Doesn't it teach that people of other religions should be converted into accepting Jesus as their savior?

Of course, don't be silly. All religious people believe their religion is the right one, or at least most do....I suppose there's no shortage of people who just go through the motions and don't really care much. Also no shortage of people who change religions with the seasons. How does that factor into the topic at hand? Christianity is a proselytizing religion but it doesn't teach to kill those who don't believe if they refuse to accept Jesus as their saviour. There's no convert or die imperative in Christianity, like there is in Islam. Islam gives non-muslims three choices and three choices only - convert, live as Dhimmi, or die. Which of the three applies to you, is entirely at their discretion. Even if you convert, they reserve the right to kill you anyway if they so choose.

Obviously, to see if JTF could answer.

lol was that supposed to be a stumper?

For instance?

Missed that question the first time. I already gave you the for instance. Chistianity was a humanitarian religion from day one, as you already agreed. Islam was a religion of aggression and booty from day one. That's the for instance. You can come up with for instances on this point all day long by comparing scripture, but I'm not even going to begin to entertain doing that. It's been done over and over on the net and even on these forums, and I don't believe for a moment you couldn't post a bunch of for instances of your own off the top of your head if you wanted to.

 

[B00Mer]

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[L Gilbert]

Of course, don't be silly. All religious people believe their religion is the right one, or at least most do....

So there's a similarity.

I suppose there's no shortage of people who just go through the motions and don't really care much.

Another simialrity.

Also no shortage of people who change religions with the seasons. How does that factor into the topic at hand?

You mentioned differences. I thought you meant fundamental differences, not trivial ones.

Christianity is a proselytizing religion but it doesn't teach to kill those who don't believe if they refuse to accept Jesus as their saviour. There's no convert or die imperative in Christianity, like there is in Islam. Islam gives non-muslims three choices and three choices only - convert, live as Dhimmi, or die. Which of the three applies to you, is entirely at their discretion. Even if you convert, they reserve the right to kill you anyway if they so choose.

Scuse me? "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6 From what I gather from that, anyone who isn't a Christian dies. That certainly isn't a fundamental difference. Death is death whether corporeal or surreal/etherial.

I still see little difference between the religions.

lol was that supposed to be a stumper?

Only if you wanted it to be.

Missed that question the first time. I already gave you the for instance. Chistianity was a humanitarian religion from day one, as you already agreed.

Perhaps but not the religion that Christianity sprouted from. The OT is plumb fulla nasty shyte.

Islam was a religion of aggression and booty from day one.

It also is just as contradictory as the Bible. And most people in either religion don't go about killing others. So?

That's the for instance. You can come up with for instances on this point all day long by comparing scripture, but I'm not even going to begin to entertain doing that. It's been done over and over on the net and even on these forums, and I don't believe for a moment you couldn't post a bunch of for instances of your own off the top of your head if you wanted to.

Well then there isn't really any fundamental differences between the two.

 

[darkbeaver]

Christianity was humanitarian from day one.

Yeah and you better have believed that on day two or you weren't getting to three. You should avoid any subsequent mention of the usual tolerance and forget justice and never mind the love which didn't make it to noon of the first. Any of the major religions can be condemned as equally hellish mutants of the truth.Error is error no matter the cover. Every word of all of it was lifted from the remote past when some things were more real than necessary for the ruling classes who squished together a pocket novel for the flocks. None of them are worth one fingernail of a good person.

 

[Just the Facts]

So there's a similarity. Another simialrity. You mentioned differences. I thought you meant fundamental differences, not trivial ones. Scuse me? "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6 From what I gather from that, anyone who isn't a Christian dies. That certainly isn't a fundamental difference. Death is death whether corporeal or surreal/etherial.

I still see little difference between the religions.


Only if you wanted it to be.



Perhaps but not the religion that Christianity sprouted from. The OT is plumb fulla nasty shyte.It also is just as contradictory as the Bible. And most people in either religion don't go about killing others. So?Well then there isn't really any fundamental differences between the two.

Please tell me you're just kidding!

Humanitarian vs. war and booty, but no fundamental differences. lol

 

[CDNBear]

Apparently people here tend to think that unless women are stoned to death, they aren't abused.

Nope.

Like I said, it's the relatively few people in a religion that use it as an excuse to do sh|t, regardless of the religion (and that includes Christianity however some people here ignore or deny it).

Nope. One is an abomination to the teachings, the other the strict following.

And for someone whose religion took a millennium and a half to start being humanitarian...

But it did. The other reached its zenith and renaissance half a millennium ago, and took a nose dive for the worse.

Fair enough. Now contrast that to Islam, which was aggressive war mongering supremacist caravan raiding slave taking from day one, and then wonder why we see what we see. This is not a new war, it's been going on for 1600 years. The U.S. Navy was born as a response to Jihad in the 18th century. Same old.

I would otherwise agree if not for the facts I just pointed out to LG in the last reply above.

 

[darkbeaver]

"I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

John was not christian by the way. In the days before organized religion there was many people who would have known what the way was and how it is literally impossible to arrive or complete without the knowledge, and that wisdom was commonly held among many diverse and distant places. Catastrophy almost wiped us away, knowledge became rare and it became powerful especially for the few.

thankyou for attending services today please leave something in the can on the way out, drive carfully. there will be a bean supper tuesday eve next week.

 

[TenPenny]

Christianity was humanitarian from day one.

In theory, yes. In practice, rarely. Even to this day, I find that the more people claim to be Christian, the less christian they behave.

 

[darkbeaver]

Islam will never die.

 

[JLM]

It's just as possible as there not being any gods at all. We'll never know the answer.

I think you are right, particularly while we are on this side of the grass. :smile:

 

[Just the Facts]

I would otherwise agree if not for the facts I just pointed out to LG in the last reply above.

Yup, I don't know enough about the "Golden Age of Islam" to argue one way or the other, but I do know that it's not without controversy. I have heard it claimed that it's a misnomer, and should be called "The Golden Age of Lack of Islam in Islamic Countries"

Someday, maybe I'll find the time to do some reading there.

 

[taxslave]

Christianity was humanitarian from day one.

Owning slaves is humanitarian?

 

[JLM]

Owning slaves is humanitarian?

Probably not by today's standards. 1000 years ago, possibly it could have been by a benevolent owner. In those days people were born into a class which there was virtually no way out, the those on the bottom rung were more or less relegated to poverty, ignorance and suppression. They were probably destined at best to be a labourer all their life, so if an owner treated them properly providing sufficient food, and accommodation and with kindness, it probably could be considered "humanitarian".

 

[darkbeaver]

Slavers are the scum of earth. Slavery is bigger now than at any time in the past, despite the pious bull**** of the global godwhacking community.

 

[JLM]

Slavers are the scum of earth. Slavery is bigger now than at any time in the past, despite the pious bull**** of the global godwhacking community.

Even the politician ones?

 

[darkbeaver]

Even the politician ones?

Political slaves or godwhacking slaves? Seriously though, slavery is #2 in the economy right after #1 war.

 

[L Gilbert]

Please tell me you're just kidding!

Humanitarian vs. war and booty, but no fundamental differences. lol

Have you ever read the OT?

Nope.

Nope. One is an abomination to the teachings, the other the strict following.

Your opinion. Have fun with it.

But it did. The other reached its zenith and renaissance half a millennium ago, and took a nose dive for the worse.

And it looks to me as if its straightening out. Like I said, people are bucking their prophet.

Probably not by today's standards. 1000 years ago, possibly it could have been by a benevolent owner. In those days people were born into a class which there was virtually no way out, the those on the bottom rung were more or less relegated to poverty, ignorance and suppression. They were probably destined at best to be a labourer all their life, so if an owner treated them properly providing sufficient food, and accommodation and with kindness, it probably could be considered "humanitarian".

3 human inventions cause most of the poverty, ignorance, and suppression: religion, politics, and profiteering.

 

[Just the Facts]

Have you ever read the OT?

Christianity is NT. Besides, you already agreed Chritianity started out humanitarian. Gonna argue with yourself now? I'll just sit back and enjoy. Good luck!

 

[L Gilbert]

Christianity is NT. Besides, you already agreed Chritianity started out humanitarian. Gonna argue with yourself now? I'll just sit back and enjoy. Good luck!

Like I said, Christianity has its roots in the OT. Same god and idea of creation and all that, you know.
Your debate is weak.