Fed up with Islam Yet???

[CDNBear]

Feel free to elaborate...

You believe like the person who graffiti'd the Mosque that:

Is that what he believed?

You know that for a fact?

It's more likely the result of a neo Nazi ideology.

Islam=Swasika=Nazi

That's not what I said.

What I said was... "Swastika's and Islam go hand in hand."

And they do.

...and that its now used by Islamphobes to associate Muslims with crimes committed by Europeans against Jews.

Wrong, as usual. Maybe if you put down the great big brush your posts wouldn't be so idiotic.

 

[earth_as_one]

Gee CB, I suggest you contact the authorities with a list of all the Muslims who rounded up Jews and worked in the extermination camps. I mistakenly believed that Nazis were mostly Germans, Romanians and other Europeans.

eao: and that its (the swasika and other Nazi symbology) now used by Islamphobes to associate Muslims with crimes committed by Europeans.

CB's post above is attempt to distort history. Millions of Muslims were oppressed by European colonial powers before and during WW II. Some Muslims and Arabs cooperated with the Nazis for purely Machiavellian reasons.

For a less Islamaphobically distorted and more complete version of Nazi/Muslim history:


Historians dispute the effects of Nazi propaganda on Muslims and Arabs
Jews for Justice for Palestinians

 

[CDNBear]

Gee CB, I suggest you contact the authorities with a list of all the Muslims who rounded up Jews and worked in the extermination camps. I mistakenly believed that most Nazis were Germans, Romanians and mostly Europeans.

I'd like to think that some form of reading comprehension issue is what is causing your inability to understand what I have written.

But unfortunately, as has been documented, your dishonesty is more like the cause of the erroneous comment above.

CB's post above is attempt to distort history.

BS. It is history and contemporary fact.

Just because you don't like it and explains a lot of the hate between Islam and Judaism, doesn't mean it isn't legit.

Some cooperated with the Nazis for purely Machiavellian reasons.

Ya, that would sum up the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

For a less Islamaphobically distorted and more complete version of Nazi/Muslim history:

Ummm, ya. All I did was post some pics and offer the supportable opinion that Nazism and Islam go hand in hand.

Historians dispute the effects of Nazi propaganda on Muslims and Arabs
Historians dispute the effects of Nazi propaganda on Muslims and Arabs | Jews for Justice for Palestinians

Just like that did, LOL, thanks for proving me right, yet again.

Titles can be misleading, you really should read the articles at the links you provide, lol.

 

[earth_as_one]

Only the weak minded would believe exceptions prove rules or that images out of context prove anything.

For example, I can use the same propaganda technique as CB did to link Nazis to:

American school children pledging allegiance to the Flag:

The French Revolution:

Le Serment du Jeu de paume

Napolean:

Serment de l'armée fait à l'Empereur après la distribution des aigles, 5 décembre 1804

George Bush:

Hillary Clinton:

Even Talk Show hosts

Simple propaganda techniques can have a strong influence on the weak-minded
These aren't the droids you're looking for - JJ Abrams Leak Test - YouTube

 

[CDNBear]

Only the weak minded would believe exceptions prove rules or that images out of context prove anything.

LOL, already resorting to insults are you?

Don't you cry about that, often?

I guess you read the article at your link and realized your mistake, or I'm right and you really aren't here for discussion, lol.

For example, I can use the same propaganda technique as CB did to link Nazis to:

Here's an idea, why don't you explain how the pictures I presented (Which are supported by the article at your link) are out of context, instead of resorting to your usual insults.

I mean if you really are here for discussion as you claim.

 

[earth_as_one]

Simple propaganda techniques can have a strong influence on the weak-minded?
Seriously? No sense of humor?

Isn't it a little late to blame my little jab for your constant insults and character assassinations?

My point is that anyone capable of critical thought should be able to figure out that the raised arm salute like the Swastika has been used by many people in many places, with different purposes and meanings. You can ask someone to describe how high a horse is, take their picture as they raise their arm, put a little Hitler Mustache on them and you just proved to the weak minded that they are a Nazi.

If you don't understand this point, then all I can say is:

Stormtrooper: Let me see your identification.
Obi-Wan: [with a small wave of his hand] You don't need to see his identification.
Stormtrooper: We don't need to see his identification.
Obi-Wan: These aren't the droids you're looking for.
Stormtrooper: These aren't the droids we're looking for.
Obi-Wan: He can go about his business.
Stormtrooper: You can go about your business.
Obi-Wan: Move along.
Stormtrooper: Move along... move along.

Attempts by Islamaphobes to link Muslims and Arabs with Nazis is really an attempt to transfer blame for the holocaust to Muslims and Arabs. Only a few more Jedi mind control tricks and the weak minded will have completely forgotten European involvement in the holocaust.

The only point I will concede is that Arabs and Muslims are more antisemitic now than they were before the Zionist ethnic cleansing war which created Israel and continues to this day. But that doesn't mean that all Arabs and Muslims are antisemitic, nor does it mean they are antisemitic in the same way or for the same reasons as Nazis were antisemitic.

Nazi Arab's and Muslims would have to believe they are inferior to the Aryan Master Race. I take such claims as seriously as this Dave Chappelle skit about a Black White Supremicist:

Individual Arabs and Muslims have at times embraced fascism, communism, theocracy... and even democracy. Attempts to portray all Arabs and Muslims as Nazis by referencing an individual Muslim who tried to get military and economic support from Nazi Germany for his efforts to free Palestine from European colonialism is a classic example of using an exception to prove a rule.

Zionists could help reduce antisemitism if they stopped hijacking Judaism to justify their war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Rabbi: "Zionists have hijacked the Jewish religion" - YouTube

 

[CDNBear]

Simple propaganda techniques can have a strong influence on the weak-minded?
Seriously? No sense of humor?

I have an excellent sense of humour.

Isn't it a little late to blame my little jab for your constant insults and character assassinations.

Your dishonesty aside.

If you want to preach from your high horse, you actually have to stay on it.

Furthermore, if you're going to insult people, you really do lose the right to cry and whine about it as you do.

My point is that anyone capable of critical thought should be able to figure out that the raised arm salute like the Swastika has been used by many people in many places, with different purposes and meanings.

I agree, even the Six Nations use it. Ever seen it used in old cowboy and indian movies?

But the Six Nations don't have a long provable history with the Nazi movement.

That's where critical thought put to rest the absurdity and dishonesty in your posts.

You can ask someone to describe how high a horse is, take their picture as they raise their arm, put a little Hitler Mustache on them and you just proved to the weak minded that they are a Nazi.

That was not employed in any of the photo's I presented.

Attempts by Islamaphobes to link Muslims and Arabs with Nazis is really an attempt to transfer blame for the holocaust to Muslims and Arabs.

Not it isn't, that's just something you made up to dismiss the very real history of the Nazi influence in Islam.

My position as it has always been is, Islam was heavily influence by Nazi propaganda, and it is still provably seen in Islam today.

I can see why that would make you feel uncomfortable and force you to deflect, distract and otherwise employ all manner of fallacy to distance your position from it.

Now, are you going to show how the pictures I posted are out of context, or just continue to throw out red herrings and otherwise avoid honest discussion?

So far all you've done is prove me right on a few issues, lol.

 

[earth_as_one]

This thread is actually about why some people on this forum irrationally hate Muslims. CB is trying to clarify the source of his irrational hatred. Apparently he irrationally fears Muslims because they are really Nazis.

CB: My position as it has always been is, Islam was heavily influence by Nazi propaganda, and it is still provably seen in Islam today.

I have a hard time believing any group of people including Arabs or Muslims would believe they are inferior to an Aryan master race.

No doubt fascist ideas appeal to some autocratic Muslims rulers in the past and present. These ideas also appealed to dictators in Latin America, Africa and Asia. Islam is a religion, with many interpretations... including a few extreme ones... Which is fine by me as long as its peaceful. Nazi Muslims who believe Germans are a superior race are unlikely... but if any existed, I'd oppose them.

Regarding "the Six Nations don't have a long provable history with the Nazi movement."
That maybe true. But then again many people have many viewpoints. Are you sure no one from the Six Nations agrees with Ahenakew when he said Jews were a disease in Germany and that Hitler was trying to "clean up Europe" when he "fried six million of those guys..."

BTW, I'd never claim this antisemitic viewpoint speaks for all First Nations people. Ahenakew's opinion proves nothing about anyone besides Ahenakew.

My points are that Nazism or even fascism does not define Islam even though individual Muslims are fascists or even Nazi sympathizers... just as Nazism or even facism do not define Christianity, even though individual Christians are fascists or even Nazi sympathizers.

>>>
Moving on to your ability to think critically. I question that. You posted these images as evidence supporting your viewpoint:..

..."Swastika's and Islam go hand in hand."...

I proved your images were manipulative hate propaganda. You agreed with me after the fact.

CB: I agree, even the Six Nations use it. Ever seen it used in old cowboy and indian movies?

But the Six Nations don't have a long provable history with the Nazi movement.

That's where critical thought put to rest the absurdity and dishonesty in your posts.

Funny how an out of context raised arm salute links Nazis to Muslims, but an out of context raised arm salute would not link Nazi's to First Nation's people... Are you certain your opinion isn't manipulated by hate propaganda????

 

[CDNBear]

This thread is actually about why some people on this forum irrationally hate Muslims. CB is trying to clarify the source of his irrational hatred. Apparently he irrationally fears Muslims because they are really Nazis.

What an absurd and dishonest observation, based on nothing more than your ability to make things up.

CB: My position as it has always been is, Islam was heavily influence by Nazi propaganda, and it is still provably seen in Islam today.

And that proves it.

No real surprise there.

I have a hard time believing any group of people including Arabs or Muslims would believe they are inferior to an Aryan master race.

Of course you do, it interferes with your agenda.

It comes as no surprise. You have a long history of ignoring the facts to maintain your bigoted views.

No doubt fascist ideas appeal to some autocratic Muslims rulers in the past and present.

It's good of you to admit that. So since you obviously agree with me, why are you arguing with me?

Nazi Muslims who believe Germans are a superior race are unlikely... but if any existed, I'd oppose them.

The ones you do support and defend think they're the superior race.

Regarding "the Six Nations don't have a long provable history with the Nazi movement."
That maybe true. But then again many people have many viewpoints. Are you sure no one from the Six Nations agrees with Ahenakew when he said Jews were a disease in Germany and that Hitler was trying to "clean up Europe" when he "fried six million of those guys..."

BTW, I'd never claim this antisemitic viewpoint speaks for all First Nations people. Ahenakew's opinion proves nothing about anyone besides Ahenakew.

Of course, because as I already stated, Six Nations and the rest of the First Nations of Canada, do not have a long provable connection to Nazism.

Whereas Islam does.

My points are that Nazism or even fascism does not define Islam even though individual Muslims are fascists or even Nazi sympathizers...

Can you show me where I said Nazism or fascism defined Islam?

No, you can't.

Your weak and dishonest attempts at building a straw man is duly noted.

Moving on to your ability to think critically. I question that.

You'd have to, you need to formulate a reason to dismiss the facts in my posts, so as to adhere to your bigoted views.

You posted these images as evidence supporting your viewpoint:.

Yes I did..

I proved your images were manipulative hate propaganda.

No you didn't.

You merely opined that one can take out of context pictures. To which I agreed.

You haven't proven those pictures are out of context though.

You ignored these pictures, for obvious reasons...

The Bosnian Nazi Army Flag is what it is.

The picture of Al Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem meeting with Hitler to discuss their alliance, is what it is.

The picture of a protesting Muslim woman praising Hitler, is what it is.

And of course the only picture you have paid any attention to, because you think you can argue it's validity...

The Hezbollah using the adar salute.

The connection between Nazism and militant factions in the Middle East is well documented.

So you'll have to do better than "A picture can be taken out of context".

You agreed with me after the fact.

No I didn't.

Stop lying, your posts look idiotic when you do that.

Lets look at what was said, so we can highlight the dishonesty and fallacy you use...

My point is that anyone capable of critical thought should be able to figure out that the raised arm salute like the Swastika has been used by many people in many places, with different purposes and meanings.

To which I replied...

I agree, even the Six Nations use it. Ever seen it used in old cowboy and indian movies?

At no time did I agree that those pics are out of context. Please stop being so dishonest, it makes your posts look idiotic.

Funny how an out of context raised arm salute links Nazis to Muslims, but an out of context raised arm salute would not link Nazi's to First Nation's people...

As I've explained twice already, but for some reason, be it dishonesty or a serious comprehension issue on your part, you are unable to understand. The First Nations of Canada do not have a long provable history with the Nazi movement.

Where as Islam does.

Feel free to use any and all fallacy you wish with my posts. It only proves me right, each and every time.

Thank you.

Are you certain your opinion isn't manipulated by hate propaganda????

Yes I'm sure, I don't give your posts any credibility.

 

[Colpy]

The group behind Pakistan's bloody bombings - World - CBC News

 

[CDNBear]

Hmmm, no attempt by EAO to actually prove the pictures are out of context, lol.

No surprise there.

 

[lone wolf]

Nazis to:

American school children pledging allegiance to the Flag:

The French Revolution:

Le Serment du Jeu de paume

Napolean:

Serment de l'armée fait à l'Empereur après la distribution des aigles, 5 décembre 1804

George Bush:

Hillary Clinton:

Even Talk Show hosts

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If it's that tall, they should be harvesting it....

 

[earth_as_one]

That's right. If you want to prove some is a Nazi, all you have to do is ask, "How tall is a horse?" and take their picture when they raise their arm. Use photoshop to add a Hitler mustache... and case closed. The person must be a Nazi.

 

[DaSleeper]

 

[Colpy]

Catholic priest shot dead and church set on fire during Zanzibar music festival that promotes religious tolerance | Mail Online

 

[taxslave]

Catholic priest shot dead and church set on fire during Zanzibar music festival that promotes religious tolerance | Mail Online

That is really sad.

 

[CDNBear]

That's right. If you want to prove some is a Nazi, all you have to do is ask, "How tall is a horse?" and take their picture when they raise their arm. Use photoshop to add a Hitler mustache... and case closed. The person must be a Nazi.

Are you still pushing that lame excuse for your Nazi emulating, terrorist hero's?

Tsk tsk. When you get PWND you really fall apart eh.

 

[Colpy]

So....Islam is not a problem.

Did a little research. Googled "terrorist attacks", came up with Wikipedia's list of major attacks. I was going to do all of 2012, but got bored half way through.

Anyway, here is the score: (Jan through June, 2012)

140 terrorist attacks world wide.

116 initiated by the followers of the Religion of Peace", with a death toll of 1223 persons.

24 by atheists, or the followers of all other religions.........with a death toll of 135 persons..

But you know, the "religion of Peace" is not a problem.....right.

 

[CanIrish]

More Islam justice:
A 15-year-old rape victim has been sentenced to 100 lashes for engaging in premarital sex
BBC News - Maldives girl gets 100 lashes for pre-marital sex

 

[earth_as_one]

Religion isn't a problem. Religious idiots are the problem and they aren't limited to Muslims.