Fat Kids

[SirJosephPorter]

In other words, it's up to the parents and the kids themselves to decide to eat healthily.

We're back to the original point: people who are overweight are that way because they eat too much, and too much of the wrong foods. It's not my fault, it's not TV's fault, it's not the government's fault.

Much as with an alcoholic, until the "victim" wants to change, and does so willingly, nothing will change.

Are you a 'victim', or a 'volunteer'??

This is where we disagree, TenPenny. To me, overeating is a symptom; it is not the cause of obesity. Unless the cause is treated (the underlying reason why one overeats), no amount of advice, lecturing about good nutrition, exercise is going to do anybody any good.

 

[TenPenny]

This is where we disagree, TenPenny. To me, overeating is a symptom; it is not the cause of obesity. Unless the cause is treated (the underlying reason why one overeats), no amount of advice, lecturing about good nutrition, exercise is going to do anybody any good.

I understand that perspective. I agree that the reason for overeating has to be overcome or at least avoided, but it is not the cause. Your perspective is simply one way to deny responsibility for anything that happens.

It's not my fault that I'm fat/an alcoholic/a child abuser; it's always someone else's. Never take personal responsibility for any aspect of your life, there's always someone to blame. That way, you don't have to take any responsibility for changing your situation in life. That's the whole point of that thought process: you don't ever have to feel that you have failed at anything, because you are never responsible for anything.

 

[JLM]

Fast food doesn’t necessarily have to be junk food. There is plenty of fast food that is healthy and nourishing. It is just a question of what the kids are used to.

I'll give you 75% on that statement, "plenty" is being very generous but yes there are a few (very few) good fast food joints. The only one I would vouch for for sure would be Subway. Quiznos may be on par but I haven't had much experience with it. Pretty well all the rest are garbage, although as one poster said you can mitigate the damage by ordering chicken.

 

[JLM]

In other words, it's up to the parents and the kids themselves to decide to eat healthily.

We're back to the original point: people who are overweight are that way because they eat too much, and too much of the wrong foods. It's not my fault, it's not TV's fault, it's not the government's fault.

Much as with an alcoholic, until the "victim" wants to change, and does so willingly, nothing will change.

Are you a 'victim', or a 'volunteer'??

YOu have it right, over eating is the cause, things like boredom and "sweet tooth" are underlying reasons. Boredom in itself is not the cause of obesity, you can be bored forever but if you don't eat you will remain slim. Thanks for putting this into perspective.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I'll give you 75% on that statement, "plenty" is being very generous but yes there are a few (very few) good fast food joints. The only one I would vouch for for sure would be Subway. Quiznos may be on par but I haven't had much experience with it. Pretty well all the rest are garbage, although as one poster said you can mitigate the damage by ordering chicken.

You can get healthy fast food even at McDonald’s (or indeed, Wendy’s, almost any fast food place), JLM. These days they have many types of salads, apple slices etc. McDonald’s is not just hamburger and French fries any more.

 

[lone wolf]

That's ONLY because they were leaned on. Burger King still hasn't changed from transfat cooking oil.

 

[TenPenny]

you can mitigate the damage by ordering chicken.

You have to be careful there - the chicken nuggets/mcchicken stuff has more fat than burgers, typically.

There's nothing wrong with the occasional dose of crap food.

Moderation in all things, including moderation.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I understand that perspective. I agree that the reason for overeating has to be overcome or at least avoided, but it is not the cause. Your perspective is simply one way to deny responsibility for anything that happens.

It's not my fault that I'm fat/an alcoholic/a child abuser; it's always someone else's. Never take personal responsibility for any aspect of your life, there's always someone to blame. That way, you don't have to take any responsibility for changing your situation in life. That's the whole point of that thought process: you don't ever have to feel that you have failed at anything, because you are never responsible for anything.

That is a red herring, TenPenny. If somebody doesn’t take responsibility for his obesity, he will only hurt himself, nobody else.

Just as not taking personal responsibility for one’s obesity is a copout, so is blaming fat people for their fatness, so is claiming that they are fat because they overeat, all they have to do is stop eating and that is that.

Obesity is a very complex issue, with many causes. It is simplistic and absurd to claim that if only fat people will just stop eating, obesity will end. It is not that simple.

 

[countryboy]

You can get healthy fast food even at McDonald’s (or indeed, Wendy’s, almost any fast food place), JLM. These days they have many types of salads, apple slices etc. McDonald’s is not just hamburger and French fries any more.

Please define "healthy" in both nutritional and additive-specific terms, and offer proof. I don't take anyone's word for anything.

 

[JLM]

You can get healthy fast food even at McDonald’s (or indeed, Wendy’s, almost any fast food place), JLM. These days they have many types of salads, apple slices etc. McDonald’s is not just hamburger and French fries any more.

Big deal, why patronize a place that makes most of its profits killing people?

 

[JLM]

You have to be careful there - the chicken nuggets/mcchicken stuff has more fat than burgers, typically.

There's nothing wrong with the occasional dose of crap food.

Moderation in all things, including moderation.

Absolutely

 

[countryboy]

That is a red herring, TenPenny. If somebody doesn’t take responsibility for his obesity, he will only hurt himself, nobody else.

We are discussing here whether it does any good to lecture fat people, to lecture them about eating habits, nutrition, exercise etc. Whether somebody takes the responsibility for his/her obesity is up to them, you really have no control over that (neither do I).

Just as not taking personal responsibility for one’s obesity is a copout, so is blaming fat people for their fatness, so is claiming that they are fat because they overeat, all they have to do is stop eating and that is that.

Obesity is a very complex issue, with many causes. It is simplistic and absurd to claim that if only fat people will just stop eating, obesity will end. It is not that simple.

I thought we were having a discussion on Fat Kids. Why did you change the topic to "lecturing" fat people?

 

[countryboy]

Than you know as well as I do that the answer would have simply been..


Just out of casual curiosity, what might cause it to stop being fun for you? Nothing.

The first 3 lines had nothing to do with answering the question.. Baiting each other does nothing to show others how great and superior you are.. In fact it shows people how silly both of you are in my view..

Now back top the topic ( for me of course )..

Francis - You are absolutely right! I have no good reason to have sunk to that level...I was suffering from a nasty cold yesterday but that's only an excuse, not a reason.

I'd like to sincerely (and publicly) apologize for my behaviour yesterday and will try not to let that happen again. Thanks again for stepping in, Francis. Many of us need a little reminder when we get off track...I certainly needed it yesterday!

Cheers...(and Happy New Year!)

 

[Francis2004]

You have to be careful there - the chicken nuggets/mcchicken stuff has more fat than burgers, typically.

There's nothing wrong with the occasional dose of crap food.

Moderation in all things, including moderation.

Your right in my opinion..

Even the occasional burger is not the end of the world for the average person..

 

[Johnnny]

Between that and stress, I paid the price for an appetite that didn't shrink when I went from a six-pack to a keg following a bout with a pizzed off firehose. Cholesterol, high blood pressure, smoker. It all adds up to heart stuff. If that gowned-up gal greasing up the paddles couldn't do it, nothing would. Now, if there was only a pill that would fight all the muscle-turned-to-flab ickies....

bought and paid for is the saying around here lol

 

[Francis2004]

Big deal, why patronize a place that makes most of its profits killing people?

That basically sums up 99% of all restaurants..

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Please define "healthy" in both nutritional and additive-specific terms, and offer proof. I don't take anyone's word for anything.

That is easy, countryboy. 'Healthy' means salads, apple slices etc. which you can get at McDonald's. And don't take my word for it, visit the nearest McDonald's and see for yourself. They also will give you the information about additives, calories etc. (though I don't think there are any additives in salads or apple slices).

 

[JLM]

That is easy, countryboy. 'Healthy' means salads, apple slices etc. which you can get at McDonald's. And don't take my word for it, visit the nearest McDonald's and see for yourself.

Plus an adequate supply of red meat, periodically.

 

[countryboy]

That is easy, countryboy. 'Healthy' means salads, apple slices etc. which you can get at McDonald's. And don't take my word for it, visit the nearest McDonald's and see for yourself.

You didn't answer my question. I asked you to define "healthy" in terms of nutritional and additive-specific terms. Will you do that, please? I assume you're not taking the advertising at face value, are you? I mean, you are the person who stated that you require proof to believe something, so what is your proof that these fast food snacks are "healthy?" You mentioned them, so I believe the burden of proof is on your shoulders. Thank you.

 

[JLM]

That basically sums up 99% of all restaurants..

I think restaurants years ago were all right when they were a place where one would take his family for a special outing. They have never been a substitute for proper home cooked meals.