Fat Kids

[SirJosephPorter]

In the majority of people, 'that is the right thing to think', eat properly and
get excercise, it's only a very few people who are very heavy because of desease.

We are not talking of disease here, talloola. Many times there is an underlying cause for obesity, and it has nothing to do with disease. Many times there are emotional problems associated with obesity. The boy may be bullied at school, or may be abused by his father, that is why he overeats. The woman may have low self esteem, may be abused by her husband, that is why she overeats. The man may be full of anger. Anger towards his boss, towards the precarious financial situation, marital problems etc. That is why he may overeat.

There can be many underlying cause of obesity. Unless these are treated, obesity will not be cured. Now, it may be that in some cases, there is just overeating, there no underlying cause for it. In such instances, no doubt the advice of eat right, exercise etc. will work. But in many instances, where there is an underlying problem, just lecturing a person as to how he should go about reducing the weight will be useless.

 

[JLM]

You are finally beginning to see the light, JLM, that reducing weight is not as easy as telling people to eat less and exercise. There is hope for you yet.

You call it impetus, I call it cause, that is semantics. But impetus must be removed. You may be right it isn't always possible. But if it is not possible, usually the person won’t get rid of obesity. Unless cause or impetus is treated, treating the symptom won’t really help in the long run. Even if the person tried to eat less, exercise etc. I think it is highly unlikely that he will keep up with the regime for any length of time, if the real problem (low self esteem, child being abused by an adult, wife begin abused by husband etc.) still persists.

Again, it is same as alcoholism. Indeed, when you think of obesity, think alcoholism, I think there are many similarities. Even if a person swears off alcohol, if the reason he took to drink still persists, he will fall off the wagon in a short order.

So while I agree with you, a person may ideally start eating less, exercising etc. before his psychological emotional problems are sorted out. But in practice, it rarely happens that way.

Anyway, gotta go. Harry Potter is on.

There is also a very good chance, as in my case years ago when I was packing extra weight that the cause is liking food too much. (I still like it just as much, just added some more exercise)

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Just out of casual curiosity, what might cause it to stop being fun for you?

Oh, I really cannot think of anything, countryboy. You probably are not aware of it, but a few months ago, there were serious attempts to run me out of the forum. But I am more than a match for anybody here. The only way I am quitting the forum is if I decide to quit voluntarily, or if moderators kick me out.

But the forum has never really stopped being fun to me. I imagine if the forum becomes full of personal insults, personal abuse, where no serious issues are discussed, all we have is personal mud slinging matches, then it will stop being fun to me. But so far that hasn’t happened. If somebody insults me personally, embarks upon personal abuse, I simply stop debating them. You may already have noticed, there are several posters who are always trying to dialog with me, without getting any response form me. So that is not a problem.

As for personal insults, personal abuse, if anything, the forum has got better in the past few months, the moderators have been doing an excellent job. So offhand, I really cannot think of anything that will stop it being fun here. That does not mean that I will be here the rest of my life, I may decide to quit voluntarily some day. But that day is a long way off.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

There is also a very good chance, as in my case years ago when I was packing extra weight that the cause is liking food too much. (I still like it just as much, just added some more exercise)

No doubt that is true in some instances, JLM. But not in all of them.

 

[Francis2004]

Just out of casual curiosity, what might cause it to stop being fun for you?

Oh, I really cannot think of anything, countryboy. You probably are not aware of it, but a few months ago, there were serious attempts to run me out of the forum. But I am more than a match for anybody here. The only way I am quitting the forum is if I decide to quit voluntarily, or if moderators kick me out.

Can we please stay on topic and not turn this into another "ME ME ME" thread that gets locked up or deleted..

Thanks

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Quoting lone wolf 7500+ posts in just over one year one month. You're quite the gentleman of leisure, aren't you?

And I'm right on his ass...............................:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:, figuratively that is...............:lol::lol::lol:

My, my, somebody sure is keeping close tabs on me, how long I have been here, how much I am posting etc.

I think we both started here at about the same time, JLM (you may have been at it slightly longer than me). We have roughly the same number of posts.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Can we please stay on topic and not turn this into another "ME ME ME" thread that gets locked up or deleted..

Thanks

I was simply responding to a query, Francis.

 

[JLM]

" You probably are not aware of it, but a few months ago, there were serious attempts to run me out of the forum."

Speaking for myself, if that happened to me that would tell me something. How could you possibly come away from that and still be none the wiser. Maybe my skin is thinner than yours but I don't like being in places where I'm not wanted.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

" You probably are not aware of it, but a few months ago, there were serious attempts to run me out of the forum."

Speaking for myself, if that happened to me that would tell me something. How could you possibly come away from that and still be none the wiser. Maybe my skin is thinner than yours but I don't like being in places where I'm not wanted.

Oh, I have got a very thick skin, JLM. A rhino or an elephant has nothing on me. And if I am not wanted here, I will leave in a flash. But the moderators must tell me to leave, I am not going to leave because some poster wants me to.

 

[JLM]

Quoting lone wolf 7500+ posts in just over one year one month. You're quite the gentleman of leisure, aren't you?



My, my, somebody sure is keeping close tabs on me, how long I have been here, how much I am posting etc.

I think we both started here at about the same time, JLM (you may have been at it slightly longer than me). We have roughly the same number of posts.

Yep, but mine are sensible................:lol::lol::lol:

 

[Francis2004]

I was simply responding to a query, Francis.

Than you know as well as I do that the answer would have simply been..


Just out of casual curiosity, what might cause it to stop being fun for you? Nothing.

The first 3 lines had nothing to do with answering the question.. Baiting each other does nothing to show others how great and superior you are.. In fact it shows people how silly both of you are in my view..

Now back top the topic ( for me of course )..

 

[JLM]

No doubt that is true in some instances, JLM. But not in all of them.

Where kids are concerned maybe it's the parents who have the "hangup".

 

[VanIsle]

Sir Joe: Humans have not evolved to obesity, rather they have been programmed to it. Rotten ronnies did not get to be the largest fat food chain because of concerns for peoples health. It is not so much how much you eat but rather what you eat. Doughnuts are called fat pills for a reason. Pills provided by your doctor are often questionable and can have many adverse side effects. Go visit a good naturopath and get tested for food allergies and a diet check.

I fully agree that no one has evolved to obesity. We have not evolved to laziness either but many subscribe to it. Easy living is what has happened to us and we lap it up. Many of you on here are near my age. How many times did you eat at a restaurant while you were growing up or even when you first got married? For me - while growing up - the answer was "never" unless we went out of town for the whole day. For the first 20 years that I was married, we went out on my birthday and our wedding anniversary. I used to grocery shop every 2nd Friday and I always bought one box of chips and a large coke. Aside from home baking, that was the treat for the two weeks. Rotten Ronnie's is only one place. How about "2 for 1" pizza? I seem to recall that it was about $9.00 for two large pizza's and they were really large pizza's. Not what they call a large now. We also grew up in the "clean up all the food on your plate" era. Kids should be taught to eat until they start to feel full and then quit. I know in the beginning they will only eat what they have to and be hungry later but it won't take long until they really learn to eat what they need to feel full. We eat for flavour. Greed - not need, is the name.
Taxslave I don't really agree with you when you say that it's what you eat. We have all grown up with and like certain foods and we are going to eat them. What we have to teach ourselves is to eat lessor amounts of them (smaller quantities) and less often. I am a person for example that never was a bread eater. I found that white bread was kind of like eating glue. But, I've gone from seldom eating bread to eating a couple of slices almost daily because I like the new grain breads. I don't believe will power actually enters into it either. I think it's more in the way of training one's self to eat less and move more. I also believe emotions play another big part. When my husband is upset, he shuts down and he doesn't want food. I am his complete opposite. Not hungry but reaching for food.
People try to say you have to take a few days to let your tummy shrink. Well - your stomach does not shrink. Your system gets used to less food and will stay that way if you practice. If you don't exercise while you "practice", your skin gets too loose and at certain ages, that's not good. I hope I can practice what I am preaching.

 

[talloola]

We are not talking of disease here, talloola. Many times there is an underlying cause for obesity, and it has nothing to do with disease. Many times there are emotional problems associated with obesity. The boy may be bullied at school, or may be abused by his father, that is why he overeats. The woman may have low self esteem, may be abused by her husband, that is why she overeats. The man may be full of anger. Anger towards his boss, towards the precarious financial situation, marital problems etc. That is why he may overeat.

There can be many underlying cause of obesity. Unless these are treated, obesity will not be cured. Now, it may be that in some cases, there is just overeating, there no underlying cause for it. In such instances, no doubt the advice of eat right, exercise etc. will work. But in many instances, where there is an underlying problem, just lecturing a person as to how he should go about reducing the weight will be useless.

I mentioned before, that those who cannot figure out how to control their eating,
or are 'depressed', need to find help to figure out how to get back on track,
as even people who are eating for 'other' reasons, need to come down to reality
and get some help, as those reasons are not normal, and need dealing with,
and not go on and on, without addressing the problem. Those people are not
mentally challenged, and can think, and shouldn't spend much time in a state of
depression, or constant anger, or revenge etc., then eat because of it, and if
they continue to do that, without addressing it, it then becomes an excuse.

 

[Francis2004]

As I sat in McDonalds today, yes I admit it, I wondered how many parents think of ways to limit their kids bad intake while at such places.. We all go at some time or other..

I think McDonalds is horrible but in the world of fast food it offers some alternatives people should consider as follows..

I always suggest to my son to have apply slices instead of fries..
I always make sure we have juice and milk instead of pop.. Often my son will ask for plain old water..
I always order grilled chicken and usually stuff that is not compressed.. Hence a breast and or mixed in salads..

OK it is by far not healthy but we make the best of a bad event.. It is pretty rare we have burgers..

I took Les's Body Fat test earlier and even when I am at my peak I am still underweight. Both my kids are healthy with my daughter in the correct weight bracket for her height and age now..

Exercise, eating right and eating at proper intervals is important in my mind for all of us. It has been driven into me by many doctors and has worked where the rest of my family has had weight issues.

 

[lone wolf]

Between that and stress, I paid the price for an appetite that didn't shrink when I went from a six-pack to a keg following a bout with a pizzed off firehose. Cholesterol, high blood pressure, smoker. It all adds up to heart stuff. If that gowned-up gal greasing up the paddles couldn't do it, nothing would. Now, if there was only a pill that would fight all the muscle-turned-to-flab ickies....

 

[Kreskin]

Unlike previous generations, kids today almost all grow up in dual income families. Parents have less time (or energy) to make dinner, thus fast food is a staple. Also, kids once had to visit friends to socialize. Today they chat on Facebook.

 

[talloola]

Unlike previous generations, kids today almost all grow up in dual income families. Parents have less time (or energy) to make dinner, thus fast food is a staple. Also, kids once had to visit friends to socialize. Today they chat on Facebook.

wonder what they will be doing tomorrow !!!!

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Unlike previous generations, kids today almost all grow up in dual income families. Parents have less time (or energy) to make dinner, thus fast food is a staple. Also, kids once had to visit friends to socialize. Today they chat on Facebook.

Fast food doesn’t necessarily have to be junk food. There is plenty of fast food that is healthy and nourishing. It is just a question of what the kids are used to.

 

[TenPenny]

Fast food doesn’t necessarily have to be junk food. There is plenty of fast food that is healthy and nourishing. It is just a question of what the kids are used to.

In other words, it's up to the parents and the kids themselves to decide to eat healthily.

We're back to the original point: people who are overweight are that way because they eat too much, and too much of the wrong foods. It's not my fault, it's not TV's fault, it's not the government's fault.

Much as with an alcoholic, until the "victim" wants to change, and does so willingly, nothing will change.

Are you a 'victim', or a 'volunteer'??