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Here's the difference:

When so called "Christians" have persecuted Jews down throughout history, they have been willfully and obviously violating every tenet, every ideal of their holy book, and the philosophy of their religion.

Are you suggesting that by following what the leaders of the religion demanded, people were actually violating the basic tenets of that same religion?
 

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Here's the difference:

When so called "Christians" have persecuted Jews down throughout history, they have been willfully and obviously violating every tenet, every ideal of their holy book, and the philosophy of their religion.

When Muslims have persecuted Jews down throughout history, they have been willfully and obviously obeying the ideals and instructions of their holy book, and the philosophy of their religion.
How do semantics make a crime any less palatable? At the time, Christians justified their bloody deeds using their religion. That is the beauty of the bible, you can use it to justify just about anything you want, it is so contradictory.
 

earth_as_one

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Actually, the New Testament has many passages which justify antisemitism. It mostly depends on interpretation, but these passages were used by Popes to support their anti-Semitic beliefs and actions:

From the book: "The Popes Against The Jews"

We have compiled quotes from Popes of the Roman Catholic Church wherein they taught:

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed for murdering Jesus[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed to be traitors like Judas[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed to be unscrupulous moneygrubbers, like Judas[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed to be outcasts like Cain, segregated from the rest of the society within which they live[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed to be distinguished from everyone else by an identifying mark, like Cain[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed to be outcasts, periodically ejected from the nations amongst whom they live, like Cain[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed to be slaves like Esau[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]We also give a list of instances where Christians expelled the Jews in line with the teaching and exhortation of the Church.

http://www.romancatholicism.org/popes-jews.htm
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Are you suggesting that by following what the leaders of the religion demanded, people were actually violating the basic tenets of that same religion?
That is what happens when people allow themselves to be lead, they abdicate all responsibility for their actions - plausible deniability.
 

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Actually, the New Testament has many passages which justify antisemitism. It mostly depends on interpretation, but these passages were used by Popes to support their anti-Semitic beliefs and actions:

From the book: "The Popes Against The Jews"

We have compiled quotes from Popes of the Roman Catholic Church wherein they taught:

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed for murdering Jesus[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed to be traitors like Judas[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed to be unscrupulous moneygrubbers, like Judas[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed to be outcasts like Cain, segregated from the rest of the society within which they live[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed to be distinguished from everyone else by an identifying mark, like Cain[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed to be outcasts, periodically ejected from the nations amongst whom they live, like Cain[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed to be slaves like Esau[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]We also give a list of instances where Christians expelled the Jews in line with the teaching and exhortation of the Church.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The Popes Against The Jews[/FONT]

Excuse me?

I said CHRISTIAN, not CATHOLIC.............as well, I have no idea how Popes mistranslating the Bible is at all disproving my point......

Jesus Christ WAS a Jew!!!!! As were each of the disciples..
 

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What does intelligent design mean to you?

I was watching a debate last night where one of the speakers mentioned, somewhat in passing, the possibility of our universe being a simulation. He said it's possible that in the future, technology will advance to a point where we can conduct computer simulations of the universe, complete with billions of sentient AI simulating people. If this is possible, then that would mean there could be far more simulated universes than real ones (there would be just one real universe), so if you found yourself roaming around and living in a universe (as we find ourselves now) you are more likely to be in a simulation than in the real deal. And even those running simulations in their universe would never really be sure they aren't a simulation either.

So to me, intelligent design means the matrix. Now, if only I knew kung fu.
 

Colpy

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I was watching a debate last night where one of the speakers mentioned, somewhat in passing, the possibility of our universe being a simulation. He said it's possible that in the future, technology will advance to a point where we can conduct computer simulations of the universe, complete with billions of sentient AI simulating people. If this is possible, then that would mean there could be far more simulated universes than real ones (there would be just one real universe), so if you found yourself roaming around and living in a universe (as we find ourselves now) you are more likely to be in a simulation than in the real deal. And even those running simulations in their universe would never really be sure they aren't a simulation either.

So to me, intelligent design means the matrix. Now, if only I knew kung fu.

Look.

If you are going to keep casually strolling around here confusing the cretins, we are simply going to have to take steps....

Which would include having your tongue surgically removed from your cheek.

It is simply cruel.
 

darkbeaver

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Actually, the New Testament has many passages which justify antisemitism. It mostly depends on interpretation, but these passages were used by Popes to support their anti-Semitic beliefs and actions:

From the book: "The Popes Against The Jews"

We have compiled quotes from Popes of the Roman Catholic Church wherein they taught:

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed for murdering Jesus[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed to be traitors like Judas[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed to be unscrupulous moneygrubbers, like Judas[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed to be outcasts like Cain, segregated from the rest of the society within which they live[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed to be distinguished from everyone else by an identifying mark, like Cain[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed to be outcasts, periodically ejected from the nations amongst whom they live, like Cain[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That the Jews are cursed to be slaves like Esau[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]We also give a list of instances where Christians expelled the Jews in line with the teaching and exhortation of the Church.

The Popes Against The Jews
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And who were the authors of the new testament and the Catholic church.?.The one universal new world order ,under God.
 

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Look.

If you are going to keep casually strolling around here confusing the cretins, we are simply going to have to take steps....

Which would include having your tongue surgically removed from your cheek.

It is simply cruel.
Actually what she is saying fits quite nicely with the Parallel Universes theories and what I have said for years, we do live in the Matrix.
 

earth_as_one

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Excuse me?

I said CHRISTIAN, not CATHOLIC.............as well, I have no idea how Popes mistranslating the Bible is at all disproving my point......

Jesus Christ WAS a Jew!!!!! As were each of the disciples..

FYI: Catholicism is a form of Christianity. Prior to the 1940's you'd be hard pressed to find a single Christian denomination that was not antisemitic:

I could go through every Christian denomination and find examples of Christian leaders who interpreted the same passages in the New Testament the same way as Catholic Popes to justify their antisemitic beliefs and actions.

Martin Luther: Jews and their Lies... and other antisemitic writings
Martin Luther and antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also antisemitic Christians who persecuted Jews over the centuries didn't have problems with Jews who converted to Christianity such as the disciples...

You should be aware the most Muslims recognize Christ and most previous Jewish prophets as an integral part of Islam.
 
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How do semantics make a crime any less palatable? At the time, Christians justified their bloody deeds using their religion. That is the beauty of the bible, you can use it to justify just about anything you want, it is so contradictory.

He's not saying the crimes aren't worse because the religious texts prohibit them. It's in fact the total opposite. He's saying the religious texts aren't worse because they prohibit the crimes committed in their name. Semantics is the study of meaning in language. Since you have misconstrued the point to be the total opposite of what was said, you shouldn't be so dismissive on semantics. ;)

That said, while I would support an argument that Christianity is a better religion than Islam, it would be a pointless distinction in my opinion. Like comparing the bomb dropped on Hiroshima to the bomb dropped on Nagasaki. Yeah, one of them had a little more destructive power than the other.

Look.

If you are going to keep casually strolling around here confusing the cretins, we are simply going to have to take steps....

Which would include having your tongue surgically removed from your cheek.

It is simply cruel.

Was that serious enough for you? :p
 

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Excuse me?

I said CHRISTIAN, not CATHOLIC.............as well, I have no idea how Popes mistranslating the Bible is at all disproving my point......

Jesus Christ WAS a Jew!!!!! As were each of the disciples..
Give your head a shake. ALL Christianity comes from Catholicism and the Catholic Bible.
 

darkbeaver

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I was watching a debate last night where one of the speakers mentioned, somewhat in passing, the possibility of our universe being a simulation. He said it's possible that in the future, technology will advance to a point where we can conduct computer simulations of the universe, complete with billions of sentient AI simulating people. If this is possible, then that would mean there could be far more simulated universes than real ones (there would be just one real universe), so if you found yourself roaming around and living in a universe (as we find ourselves now) you are more likely to be in a simulation than in the real deal. And even those running simulations in their universe would never really be sure they aren't a simulation either.

So to me, intelligent design means the matrix. Now, if only I knew kung fu.

If there were more than one universe there would be no universe.
 

petros

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Quote: Originally Posted by Corduroy
I was watching a debate last night where one of the speakers mentioned, somewhat in passing, the possibility of our universe being a simulation. He said it's possible that in the future, technology will advance to a point where we can conduct computer simulations of the universe, complete with billions of sentient AI simulating people. If this is possible, then that would mean there could be far more simulated universes than real ones (there would be just one real universe), so if you found yourself roaming around and living in a universe (as we find ourselves now) you are more likely to be in a simulation than in the real deal. And even those running simulations in their universe would never really be sure they aren't a simulation either.





I heard an interview on Radio One with the author of the book being debated. I'll have to dig that interview up. It belongs in the Universe thread so I'll post two links in ea if I find it.


CBC.ca | Metro Morning | The Universe

Friday January 28, 2011

The Universe

Matt Galloway spoke with Gil Holder, he is the Canada Research Chair in Cosmological Astro-physics. Tonight he will be speaking at a symposium called, "Unraveling the Universe" .
Listen (runs 5:12)

CBC.ca | Metro Morning | The Universe
 

earth_as_one

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Actually it was just one Christian:

Excuse me?

I said CHRISTIAN, not CATHOLIC.............as well, I have no idea how Popes mistranslating the Bible is at all disproving my point......

Jesus Christ WAS a Jew!!!!! As were each of the disciples..
 

darkbeaver

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I heard an interview on Radio One with the author of the book being debated. I'll have to dig that interview up. It belongs in the Universe thread so I'll post two links in ea if I find it.


CBC.ca | Metro Morning | The Universe

Friday January 28, 2011

The Universe

Matt Galloway spoke with Gil Holder, he is the Canada Research Chair in Cosmological Astro-physics. Tonight he will be speaking at a symposium called, "Unraveling the Universe" .
Listen (runs 5:12)

CBC.ca | Metro Morning | The Universe

One minute into the 5 minute clip and I shut them off even as the lunatic term "black hole" was still echoing off the walls of the unexplored wasteland in my mind. I consider unthinking like that to be blasphemous satanic idiocy crafted to ruin the divine natural connection between man and the one.It is a gross and fabricated break in the great wheel of existence, an abomination, a rejection of life love and liberty, the vilest basest manipulation and prostitution of the received wisdom of all preceding ages. Imagine the unmitigated scorn for the way to even mouth the dirty filthy comparison of the center of our blessed galaxies as nothing more than giant toilets swallowing the waste of entire systems. I shudder in abject horror at such an act of hateful misrepresentation of the wellsprings of omnipotent nurturing creativity. To have the whole thing exactly backwards and to hawk it in the temples of mankind is deserving of nothing but determined permanent shunning. And even now that arch lunatic Hawkings posits the black hole sewage pipes to be inflows into further universes. I spit in their vanilla lattes.
 
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One minute into the 5 minute clip and I shut them off even as the lunatic term "black hole" was still echoing off the walls of the unexplored wasteland in my mind. I consider unthinking like that to be blasphemous satanic idiocy crafted to ruin the divine natural connection between man and the one.It is a gross and fabricated break in the great wheel of existence, an abomination, a rejection of life love and liberty, the vilest basest manipulation and prostitution of the received wisdom of all preceding ages. Imagine the unmitigated scorn for the way to even mouth the dirty filthy comparison of the center of our blessed galaxies as nothing more than giant toilets swallowing the waste of entire systems. I shudder in abject horror at such an act of hateful misrepresentation of the wellsprings of omnipotent nurturing creativity. To have the whole thing exactly backwards and to hawk it in the temples of mankind is deserving of nothing but determined permanent shunning. I spit in their vanilla lattes.
What was interesting is that he dropped names like black holes and dark matter but then admitted, they have never observed them and nor can they prove there existence, only that they know they exist. Sounded kinda oxymoronic to me.