Enough farting around on Iran & Nukes

[Spade]

Ironsides, you pointed out that Judaism is a religion - not a nationality, ethnicity, or race. The concept of "race' was discredited by the horror within "Christian" Europe. There are Chinese Jews, Ethiopian Jews, Russian Jews, German Jews, and so on. We all share genetics with people of every religion and nationality. There are no Aryans or their modern equivalent.

That there is a disproportionate representation of Jewish Nobel recipients is no accident. Nobel prizes, at least in their early focus was in Europe and America; and, of course, in academics where Jewish scholars found some refuge and welcome.

By the way, since 1901 there have been 543 prizes awarded won by 813 individuals and 20 organizations.

 

[petros]

Money....this is all about money. Why is that so hard to grasp?

 

[earth_as_one]

No they were not - Now were the 4000 a month that Sdamm was executing on average.

I'm not sure where you got this misperception. link please.

The truth is before the 2003 US led war of aggression, Iraq had been more or less peaceful and quiet for years. Iraqis were oppressed, but relatively safe and secure provided they obeyed Iraqi laws or weren't plotting against the dictator.

No doubt Hussein was a cruel dictator with a record of committing large scale atrocities, but I can't find any evidence of Hussein committing any atrocities from January 2002 until the March 2003 invasion. Hussein was blamed for hundreds of deaths between 1998 and 2002. Most of these people were convicted of capital crimes. Hundreds of soldiers were convicted of treason for involvement in an alleged US plot to overthrow Hussein. Many were tortured and executed. About 200 women were executed for adultery. The last large scale atrocity attributed to Hussein was the 1991 crackdown on a Shiite rebellion which resulted in killed tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths.

Probably the biggest human right problem in Iraq were the millions of starving Iraqis as a result of a US led embargo imposed on Iraq for supposedly possessing stockpiles of WMDs. The economic embargo probably should have been lifted in 1998, when UN weapons inspectors knew Iraq did not possess WMDs.
A NEW POLICY NEEDED FOR IRAQ -- Halliday

There were no atrocities going on in Iraq on the scale you claim at the time of the invasion. Certainly, Hussein was not executing 4000 people a month.

2002 Amnesty International Summary of Iraq human rights problems.

...In Iraq which remained under stringent economic sanctions imposed by the UN Security Council since 1990, scores suspected anti-government opponents were arrested. The death penalty continued to be applied extensively while torture of was systematic. Scores of people, including armed forces officers, were executed and in some cases the bodies bore evident Civilian deaths resulting from air strikes by the US and UK forces against Iraqi targets were reported. The civilian population continued to suffer severe hardship as a result of the sanctions ...

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/a...848-11dd-9df8-936c90684588/pol100042002en.pdf

Human Rights Watch
Human Rights Watch World Report 2001: Iraq and Iraqi Kurdistan: Human Rights Developments

I can say with confidence that far more Iraqis have died violently in the 7 years since the 2003 invasion, then during the preceding 8 years before the invasion (1996-2003). Also if Hussein can be blamed for all the deaths that resulted as a result of his decision to start wars with his neighbors, then the same standard should apply to former President Bush. By that count, Hussein and Bush are in the same league for number of deaths and overseeing torture and murder. But Bush only held power for 8 years. If Bush had been in power for as long as Hussein, I'm sure Bush's body count would have surpassed Hussein.

BTW, back in 2003, when the manipulated masses were screaming for Hussein's head for atrocities he committed in the 1980's with US government support, a genocidal war was raging in the Democratic Republic of Congo, which had killed about 3 million people in the previous 5 years. You probably don't much about it.

 

[ironsides]

What, something else we can blame on Bill Clinton, and all they could get him on was Monica. Yup, see the pattern.

 

[CDNBear]

Okay, so now I await with bated breath several dozen more cut-and-pastes that prove nothing. :roll:

Oh so true!!!

BTW, back in 2003, when the manipulated masses were screaming for Hussein's head for atrocities he committed in the 1980's with US government support, a genocidal war was raging in the Democratic Republic of Congo, which had killed about 3 million people in the previous 5 years. You probably don't much about it.

And yet you spend an unprecedented amount of energy and time condemning Israel for far lessor evils.

How is it you are a humanist and simply a Joo hater?

 

[earth_as_one]

If you follow forum rules you'll have no problems from me CB. In case you forgot:

Not to post any material that you know, or in our judgment ought to know, is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, threatening, invasive of personal privacy, or in violation of Canadian law;

This site is intended to be a medium for public discussion. You are free to express your views forcefully but we require you to remain civil. Insults, hate speech, and deliberately inflammatory statements, commonly known as trolling, are not acceptable. Do not threaten anyone or any group or suggest they are deserving of harm.

I find nearly all of your posts to be abusive and harassing. You aren't civil. You don't really come here to debate. Your main purpose seems to be to name call and troll, creating work for the moderators who have to clean up your filth.

 

[CDNBear]

1. Not to post any material that you know, or in our judgment ought to know, is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, threatening, invasive of personal privacy, or in violation of Canadian law;...

I can't see where anything that even remotely required that harassing comment, in this thread. Until your post that is.

This site is intended to be a medium for public discussion. You are free to express your views forcefully but we require you to remain civil. Insults, hate speech, and deliberately inflammatory statements, commonly known as trolling, are not acceptable. Do not threaten anyone or any group or suggest they are deserving of harm.

When you openly accuse someone of a criminal offense, when you have been educated that they are not committing one, you are in fact harassing and threatening them...

You really should stop breaking the forum rules.

 

[Unforgiven]

 

[CDNBear]

No feeding the woodchucks?

 

[Unforgiven]

No feeding the woodchucks?

The Rules, it's against them!

 

[CDNBear]

The Rules, it's against them!

 

[earth_as_one]

I can't see where anything that even remotely required that harassing comment, in this thread. Until your post that is.

When you openly accuse someone of a criminal offense, when you have been educated that they are not committing one, you are in fact harassing and threatening them...

You really should stop breaking the forum rules.

Please post your comments regarding me here where they would be on topic:
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/wreck-beach/97288-earth-one-d-bag.html

 

[CDNBear]

I find nearly all of your posts to be abusive and harassing. You aren't civil. You don't really come here to debate. Your main purpose seems to be to name call and troll, creating work for the moderators who have to clean up your filth.

I have tried to debate you, you simply ignore what you don't like, dismiss what you can't prove and dwell in an imaginary world, where AI, HRW and the RC actually have powers.

Every time we have engaged in a debate, it always ends the same way. You ignore reality, dismiss proven fact, and then you get what you deserve for it, contempt.

Irans leader may not have actually said what western media quoted, but the context was most certainly the exact same thing, as you have been shown time and time again. Proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, yet in this thread you still try and white wash his commentary and the over all sentiment of Iran about Israel, to further your agenda.

This is a prime example of you not being able to debate effectively, and the prime reason you garner very little respect, but rather heeps of scorn and contempt.

You brought up the Congo. Where was the energy then? Why didn't you condemn France for its roll? Why weren't we inundated with countless threads and sidetracking about France and the Congo's 3 million dead?

If you want to be seen as more then just a agenda driven troll, you really should spread your energy around a little more. From where many of us sit, you come off as a joo hater, pure and simple.

Please post your comments regarding me here where they would be on topic:
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/wreck-beach/97288-earth-one-d-bag.html

You opened yourself up to personalization, when you said...

You probably don't much about it.

To Goober.

If you don't like it, don't start it.

Besides that, you're hardly the person to be directing anyone to any thread on a specific topic, since you have time and time again brought many a thread around to your typical anti Israeli tripe. Top that off with your childish use of terms like "libel" and "stalking". Which from this point on, I will report as harassment.

 

[earth_as_one]

Please post your comments regarding me here where they would be on topic:
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/wr...one-d-bag.html

 

[CDNBear]

Please post your comments regarding me here where they would be on topic:
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/wr...one-d-bag.html

I guess I'm only to blame for that weak reply. I gave you all the material you needed to ignore the fact that Iran collective governmental position as has been expressed by both its political and religious wing, has stated clearly that Israel should be destroyed.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Kinda makes you want to start another poll that asks. "Are you retarded enough to believe Iran should have nukes?"

 

[petros]

Kinda makes you want to start another poll that asks. "Are you retarded enough to believe Iran should have nukes?"

Or

"Are people retarded enough to let anyone hold arms like that anywhere by anyone on this flimsy planet?"

It doesn't matter what type of regime cuts one of those loose on another human being, it's the still the sickest and most twisted weapon to and only the sickest and most twisted would ever use one.

Besides there is no shortage of nations who are armed or could be armed rapidly with nukes aimed at both Israel,& Mecca. Nations that hate both religions equally could really turn this game into a big ball of artificial sunshine.

 

[Colpy]

Or

"Are people retarded enough to let anyone hold arms like that anywhere by anyone on this flimsy planet?"

It doesn't matter what type of regime cuts one of those loose on another human being, it's the still the sickest and most twisted weapon to and only the sickest and most twisted would ever use one.

Besides there is no shortage of nations who are armed or could be armed rapidly with nukes aimed at both Israel,& Mecca. Nations that hate both religions equally could really turn this game into a big ball of artificial sunshine.

Well, I agree they are a sick and twisted weapon, and we would be much better off if they did not exist.

However, the only time they were ever used, their use probably saved millions of lives..........most of them Japanese. Now that is weird, but true.

As for Israel and Islam.....Israel has had nukes since 1969, and has never used them, nor has she come close to using them. That despite the fact the nation of Israel was bordering on total disaster in the 1973 Yom Kippur War......they turned around of the initial setbacks by the narrowest of margins........In serious trouble on two fronts (the complete failure of their defenses against Egypt in Sinai, a touch and go battle with Syria in the Golan Heights, at Israel's most vulnerable point) Golda Meir refused to even consider the use of nuclear weapons, the Israelis did not even threaten to use them........

Compare to Iran, who howls like a mad dog for the destruction of Israel at every opportunity..........

You have to be retarded to think about allowing the Persians to develop nukes.

 

[petros]

Compare to Iran, who howls like a mad dog for the destruction of Israel at every opportunity..........
You have to be retarded to think about allowing the Persians to develop nukes.

What makes you think Persia would light them up instantly? The far more radicals in Pakistan could have lit them up 20 years ago but that hasn't happened has it? Why not?

Perhaps Iran wishes to defend it'self from Pakistan or India? Would you feel ackward with all your riches living next door to two nuclear armed nations that want your resources?

Keep in mind Russia also looms in there too.

And another thing.

They could have made and used a plain jane uranium bomb a long long time ago.

 

[mentalfloss]

The best way to resolve this isn't through force. It is by turning the middle east into a nuclear free weapon zone. The only problem with that is that Israel would have to agree to sign the treaty as well, but if they did, there's no doubt Iran would follow.