Enough farting around on Iran & Nukes

[petros]

Puppet shows now have unlimited prduction budgets so they are impressive as all get go but they are still puppet shows.

Speaking of puppet shows......

Editor's Note: This is taken from a press release from Congressman Dennis Kucinich, a leading voice for peace in congress.

Afghanistan War, Nightmare without End for Troops, Innocent Civilians and US Taxpayers
Washington D.C. (November 23, 2010) - Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich, a leading proponent of peace, today renewed his call to end the Afghan war after it was revealed that a self-proclaimed senior Taliban negotiator working with President Hamid Karzai and NATO officials was in an imposter.

“The war in Afghanistan is taking place in a netherworld where facts and common sense have no place. Elections are fake. Our deadline to withdraw is a fake. Now, we learn that a fake Taliban leader has been leading us to believe that NATO was facilitating high-level talks between Taliban leadership and the corrupt Afghan central government we’re propping up. It was truly amazing that our government said we were negotiating with high-level Taliban leadership while at the same time we were stepping up air strikes to wipe them out.

“Evidence abounds that the Karzai regime in Kabul is among the most corrupt in the world. President Karzai rules through crony capitalism. He works to protect his cronies rather than the Afghan people. Our tax dollars are going to the Karzai family and its supporters to buy villas in Dubai. We know that our tax dollars fund both sides of the conflict. We know that our ‘allies’ pay the enemy not to attack our troops and that they also may be bribing insurgents to attack our troops. We also know that U.S. tax dollars fund Afghan warlords. NATO officials have become so skilled in self-deception that a senior NATO official recently claimed that Kabul is safer for children than most western cities. Meanwhile those who continue to advocate for the war apply the dark arts of public relations to manufacture support for a war which is neither winnable, nor moral nor sane. It is time for Congress to start asking General Petraeus some direct questions.

“The War in Afghanistan is longer than any other war America has ever fought. It has cost U.S. taxpayers more than a trillion dollars. More than 1300 Americans have died, thousands more wounded. Countless innocent Afghan civilians have died. “The only real thing about this war is the dead and wounded soldiers and civilians, the wasted tax dollars and the mounting evidence telling us to get out.”


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[gopher]

''How many in the Mid East will {become nuclear powers} ... all of them''

Where's your proof?

Threat to who ~~~ ''Israel, either directly or (more likely) indirectly through Hezbollah or Hamas.''

What makes you say that?

''allowing nuclear-armed Iran is looney''

So say you. So why is Israel & USA allowed to have nukes? After all, Iran did not invade Iraq or Afghanistan - the USA did. That's the world's biggest threat to peace. So why is that OK?

As anyone who has been on this forum for as many years as I have knows, we have had these exchanges for years. In all this time the pro war crowd continues to insist that Iran is a ''threat'', a menace, a danger, a warmonger. But in all that time Iran hasn't attacked anyone. Instead, Afghans and Iraqis have died thanks to the USA's continued imperialism in that region. Obviously, the pro war crowd wants another war in order to make more profits since they are not willing to pay for the war or to fight it themselves.

 

[petros]

So say you. So why is Israel & USA allowed to have nukes? After all, Iran did not invade Iraq or Afghanistan - the USA did. That's the world's biggest threat to peace. So why is that OK?

Because they are white or almost white.

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How many door knobs can these hold?

 

[Unforgiven]

Because they are white or almost white.

No because there is a series of checks and balances to make sure that the only time a nuke is let off the leash it's because there is no other alternative to end a war. I am sure kooks like the fundamental, inbred psychos come in all colours it's just that only a few countries elect them as a government. That's why the US and Israel have nukes and Iran has none. That is the way it should be.

 

[petros]

No because there is a series of checks and balances to make sure that the only time a nuke is let off the leash it's because there is no other alternative to end a war.

Checks and balances? Like two nations stockpiling them to the point where they have no idea how many they really have and where they all are?

 

[gopher]

''the US and Israel have nukes and Iran has none. That is the way it should be.''

During the Cold War, we had nuclear balance and would not have had war if the USA hadn't invaded Vietnam. Today we do not have balance as you mentioned above - that's why we have war in Iraq and Afghanistan with over 1 million dead innocents.

It's a good bet that if those countries were armed Bush would never have invaded and 5,000 American troops would never have been killed there.

 

[Unforgiven]

Checks and balances? Like two nations stockpiling them to the point where they have no idea how many they really have and where they all are?

Nope, checks and balances that make it a slim possibility that any one can let one off the leash because they crazy. Iran is governed by bat **** crazy people who are very likely to set off a nuke the moment they get one.

I have to wonder why you don't see the difference between the two.
Another good reason is here you can tell the POTUS at some public appearance that the government shouldn't have nukes. I am sure in Iran they would cut your feet off for your blaspheme. Or maybe you would just disappear.

You can tell me what is missing from this list though.

List of All U.S. Nuclear Weapons

''the US and Israel have nukes and Iran has none. That is the way it should be.''

During the Cold War, we had nuclear balance and would not have had war if the USA hadn't invaded Vietnam. Today we do not have balance as you mentioned above - that's why we have war in Iraq and Afghanistan with over 1 million dead innocents.

Incorrect. We have war in Afghanistan because the Taliban supported bin Laden as a guest along with Al Qaeda terrorists and training camps for them. Iraq, because clown shoes pulled the wool over enough eyes with lies and paranoia after 9/11 and the American people at least thought there was little choice to protect their country.

1,000,000 is obviously not enough as people still want to fight a war. Both over here and over there.

It's a good bet that if those countries were armed Bush would never have invaded and 5,000 American troops would never have been killed there.

If Iraq and Afghanistan were armed with nuclear weapons the middle east would be a dead zone.

 

[petros]

Missing Nukes from the US Air Force: Treason of the Highest Order

 

[Unforgiven]

Missing Nukes from the US Air Force: Treason of the Highest Order

Foil up and settle down already Petros.

Power failures happen and there was at no point an ICBM suddenly missing from it's silo, bay or launcher. You don't need to get so excited over colourful wording like "missing" or "lost" because they don't mean what you think they mean in this context. For example when my network goes down, my laptop is "missing" from my network. Though it is sitting right next to me here, "missing" is a word I use to describe the state of my network. I assure you my laptop along with all the ICBMs in the US are right where they should by and safe. Not missing in the context that they are gone and missing from their usual physical space and area.

 

[Cliffy]

Nope, checks and balances that make it a slim possibility that any one can let one off the leash because they crazy. Iran is governed by bat **** crazy people who are very likely to set off a nuke the moment they get one.

And I have to ask you: How do you know these people are bat **** crazy? Have you been to Iran? Do you know these people personally? Or are you getting your "information" from the mass corporate media that stands to profit from this hate and war mongering? This kind of hate mongering and demonization goes on before every military invasion by the US and England.

 

[Colpy]

And I have to ask you: How do you know these people are bat **** crazy? Have you been to Iran? Do you know these people personally? Or are you getting your "information" from the mass corporate media that stands to profit from this hate and war mongering? This kind of hate mongering and demonization goes on before every military invasion by the US and England.

DIRELAND: IRAN EXECUTES 2 GAY TEENAGERS (updated)

YouTube - No gays in Iran, says Ahmadinejad

Stoning in Iran

Iran Holocaust Denial--Rewriting history to suit their political ends - Home

Hezbollah as a strategic arm of Iran

Hezbollah is an arm of Iran....here is what Hezbollah has to say about Jews.

If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide. (Daily Star, Oct. 23, 2002)

Shiite scholar Amal Saad-Ghorayeb analyzed the anti-Jewish roots of Hezbollah ideology in her book Hezbollah: Politics & Religion. In it, she quotes Hassan Nasrallah describing his antipathy toward Jews:

If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli. (New Yorker, Oct. 14, 2002)

Oh, and they have murdered Jews by the hundred in places as far away as Argentina..........so it ain't just talk.

CAMERA: Hassan Nasrallah: In His Own Words

Uh-huh....last but not least...

israel today | Iran will bomb Israel, warns former Revolutionary Guard

And if you doubt the source, check out Wikileaks and the Arab view of a nuclear-armed Iran......

Oh, I could go on and on and on......

Actually, calling the leaders of Iran "bat-**** crazy" is an insult to the sanity of bat **** everywhere.

 

[Unforgiven]

And I have to ask you: How do you know these people are bat **** crazy? Have you been to Iran? Do you know these people personally? Or are you getting your "information" from the mass corporate media that stands to profit from this hate and war mongering? This kind of hate mongering and demonization goes on before every military invasion by the US and England.

No I've not been. But those who have and made it back out tell me that the place is an asylum for religious lunatics.
From what I have seen for myself in clips taken in Iran, from the tweets that came out during the election and the various stories that I have been able to confirm to my satisfaction through the Internet.

****in bonkers. Have you heard the president of Iran talk? It's just the kind of crazy sabre rattling that goes on while a country marches itself right into regime change.

 

[gopher]

''1,000,000 is obviously not enough as people still want to fight a war''

Those who want a war should be forced to fight and pay for it - that will stop all the wars.

 

[Goober]

And I have to ask you: How do you know these people are bat **** crazy? Have you been to Iran? Do you know these people personally? Or are you getting your "information" from the mass corporate media that stands to profit from this hate and war mongering? This kind of hate mongering and demonization goes on before every military invasion by the US and England.

No Cliff - Some of us take Imanutjob at his word - And no it is not led by the mass media - and for EAO - No the media is not an Arm of some Jewish Cabal - The UN reports over the past 8 years paint a clear picture.
And no many do not think that the Iranians are interested in power plants alone - look at the number of enrichment plants they plan to build - Why would they need so many?

When you enrich uranium to the 20 % level, that equates to 90 % of the time it takes to enrich from 5 % to the 90-95 % level. Now why are they enriching to that 20 % level. Why are they not cooperating with th UN, why has it taken 8 years -

Yes War is coming - i hate it to - But i would hate having Iran as a Nuclear equipped and long range missile capable - Now combine those 2 and think how countries around Iran think. Then consider that you hate nukes so much, knowing that if Iran goes Nuke capable so will every other country in the Mid East.

So what is the lesser of 2 evils - You cannot just sit back and rave on about how you hate nukes, having them make us all lunatics - Well a lot of lunatics reside in the Mid East and you want them to have a Nuke capability.

Now I would say you are the lunatic to allow Iran with Nukes-

''A nuclear Iran is more of a threat then N Korea.''

A threat to who?

Why is it that war profiteering and warmongering are so near and dear to the hearts of Republicans?

Did not know that most of the Sunni Mid East - France, Germany, China and Russia were Republicans - Man you are locked into, well my GranDaddy was A Democrat, Daddy wuz to ya know, So I guess I are one. What a philosophy. Whoever disagrees with you is a Republican.

And I have to ask you: How do you know these people are bat **** crazy? Have you been to Iran? Do you know these people personally? Or are you getting your "information" from the mass corporate media that stands to profit from this hate and war mongering? This kind of hate mongering and demonization goes on before every military invasion by the US and England.

Have you been to Iran??

 

[Cliffy]

Number one, do you speak the same language as Iranians? How can you take the Iranian leader at his word if you have to rely on someone else to tell you what he is saying?

1. Do I want Iran to have nukes? No.
2. Do I want Israel to have nukes? No.
3. Do I want the US of Aggression to have nukes? Hell no! They are (their government and their military) are as crazy as the Iranians.
4. Do I think war is inevitable? Yes because religious fanatics (Christian, Jewish and Muslim) all want Armageddon so bad they are just itching for it.
5. Do I think any one of them is worse than the other? Hell no! They are all freakin' nuts, they are all just as dangerous and they are all just as stupid.

At least if Iran had nukes, it would be a deterrent from attack by the idiots at the pentagon or whichever lunatics who are running the Israeli military. If war is inevitable it is because the US and Israel want it just as bad as the Iranians. If you think anyone of that lot has even a lick of sense, you are sadly mistaken.

 

[Goober]

Number one, do you speak the same language as Iranians? How can you take the Iranian leader at his word if you have to rely on someone else to tell you what he is saying?

1. Do I want Iran to have nukes? No.
2. Do I want Israel to have nukes? No.
3. Do I want the US of Aggression to have nukes? Hell no! They are (their government and their military) are as crazy as the Iranians.
4. Do I think war is inevitable? Yes because religious fanatics (Christian, Jewish and Muslim) all want Armageddon so bad they are just itching for it.
5. Do I think any one of them is worse than the other? Hell no! They are all freakin' nuts, they are all just as dangerous and they are all just as stupid.

At least if Iran had nukes, it would be a deterrent from attack by the idiots at the pentagon or whichever lunatics who are running the Israeli military. If war is inevitable it is because the US and Israel want it just as bad as the Iranians. If you think anyone of that lot has even a lick of sense, you are sadly mistaken.

Well Nukes are about the only thing that kept Western Europe free - The next thing was the build-up in the 80 in NATO that finally broke the Russians.

You missed the point, and refuse to answer about how every other country in the Mid East will go Nuclear as well. That does not seem to bother you. Yet you profess to hate them. You hate the US even more than Nukes, that is quite clear.


It does not seem to bother you at all that the Iran Leadership are a bunch of Religious Fanatics


That even the reasonable ones stated basically destroying Israel would mean million if Iranians die - worth the price according to them. Guess they have bunkers and passports to fuk off before the missiles fly


How can you reason with a man that cannot tell the difference between Grandchildren & puppies. Yes I am still pissed at that remark.

 

[gopher]

''many do not think that the Iranians are interested in power plants alone - look at the number of enrichment plants they plan to build - Why would they need so many?''

It doesn't matter what anybody thinks - what does matter is that the IAEA has determined it is for its energy needs and falls within allowable international standards. All the pro war hysteria is created by those who stand to profit from war, never have to pay one cent to finance it, and who will never have to shed a drop of blood for it.

 

[Goober]

''many do not think that the Iranians are interested in power plants alone - look at the number of enrichment plants they plan to build - Why would they need so many?''

It doesn't matter what anybody thinks - what does matter is that the IAEA has determined it is for its energy needs and falls within allowable international standards. All the pro war hysteria is created by those who stand to profit from war, never have to pay one cent to finance it, and who will never have to shed a drop of blood for it.

Best read up on the recent reports and how iran is now very uncooperative in many areas - Try to stay recent - reports form 2005, well they are out of date. Can you tell me the percantage of republicans in those countries I mentioned. You seemed to have missed making a reply I am sure it was because you are to busy.

 

[Cliffy]

Well Nukes are about the only thing that kept Western Europe free - The next thing was the build-up in the 80 in NATO that finally broke the Russians.

You missed the point, and refuse to answer about how every other country in the Mid East will go Nuclear as well. That does not seem to bother you. Yet you profess to hate them. You hate the US even more than Nukes, that is quite clear.

No, I did not miss the point. It is just an assumption based on hearsay. Why should Israel who also have religious fanatics running the show, have nukes? Did they not kick the asses of half the Arab world with just a hand full of soldiers and no nukes back in the sixties?

It does not seem to bother you at all that the Iran Leadership are a bunch of Religious Fanatics

I believe I already addressed that issue. All religious fanatics are nuts.

That even the reasonable ones stated basically destroying Israel would mean million if Iranians die - worth the price according to them. Guess they have bunkers and passports to fuk off before the missiles fly

If the rest of the Middle East can't reign in the lunatics, who threaten their existence too, how do you think we can? The build up of rhetoric is making war inevitable from all sides. Nobody is seriously trying to find a diplomatic solution because those who profit from war run the show. They don't care who or how many die on all sides, as long as their bank accounts benefit. If you think anybody on this planet is free from these douche bags, you are living in a Disney-esque reality.

How can you reason with a man that cannot tell the difference between Grandchildren & puppies. Yes I am still pissed at that remark.

I was not comparing children to puppies. They are two different animals all together. The point was that puppies grow up and are not as cute any more and so do kids, and you can see, they grow up to be adults and are not as cute any more. It was just an observation on life in general.

 

[Spade]

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