Education should be treated like Healthcare

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Canadian Federation Of Students Pushes Liberals To Spend $3.3B On Free College, University

OTTAWA — Facing higher than average unemployment and a growing threat of bankruptcy, post-secondary students are lobbying the federal government this month for billions in new spending to help cover the cost of university and college education.

The largest organization for post-secondary students in Canada is calling on the federal government to fund university and college education the same way it does health care and enshrine it in legislation.

The Canadian Federation of Students used about 200 meetings in a week of lobbying on Parliament Hill to argue for a federal post-secondary education bill that would repurpose cash used for programs like the registered education savings plan into a $3.3-billion annual transfer for provinces to make post-secondary education free.

Post-secondary education should be funded in the same way as health care because it's an essential expense that would help those with low-income backgrounds who "don't have the funds today to start saving," said CFS national chairperson Bilan Arte.

Typically a provincial issue

It's not the first time advocates have pushed for Ottawa to play a bigger role in post-secondary education, which is traditionally a provincial domain.

This time, however, student groups think they will find a sympathetic ear with a Liberal government that wooed young voters during the campaign with promises of making it easier to pay for post-secondary education and pay off federal student loans.

The Liberals promised to create a $300-million youth jobs strategy _ a response to youth unemployment rates of 13 per cent, nearly twice the national average of seven per cent.

They also promised to increase the value of and eligibility for non-repayable student grants at a cost of $750 million, and to waive loan repayment demands until a graduate was earning at least $25,000 a year.

The Canadian Alliance of Student Associations wants to see that salary threshold increase to $30,000, and will be pushing that message as part of its lobbying efforts later this month. Matthew Rios, the group's head of government relations, has high hopes for the Liberals' first budget, but is also looking down the road.

"This government will be rolling out a number of budgets subsequent to this one and our role is to ensure they have policy alternatives that provide what we call good return on investment," Rios said.

"We have really looked at what policies are the most progressive and ... help those who need the help most."

The total amount of student loan writeoffs in Canada has grown every year over the last five years, with virtually the entire $837.6-million total the result of debts having passed the six-year legal statute for collection.

The number that have been written off due to bankruptcy was $33.6 million in the 2014-15 fiscal year, which ended last March, compared with $244,676 in 2010-11, according to figures released by Employment and Social Development Canada under the Access to Information Act.

Last year, the number of student loan recipients who declared bankruptcy hit a 10-year high: 6,050 borrowers declared bankruptcy in 2015, more than double the 2,692 who did so in 2014, the next highest total since 2006.

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If we treated education the way that the Americans treated healthcare, a quarter of us would never see them inside of a school and one out of ten of us would get a top notch education. The other six out of ten of us might learn how to read, after a fashion but you had better be prepared to pay through the nose, for it.
 

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It seem many students get educated about debt. Burden them so their first thirty years go to banks. That is the wrong kind of education. It stinks. They missed how to stay out of debt classes.

When I went to school there was a class called health.

And home economics.

The two aren't realy two seperate things, they belong together, under one minister, merge and purge.
 

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Canadian Federation Of Students Pushes Liberals To Spend $3.3B On Free College, University

OTTAWA — Facing higher than average unemployment and a growing threat of bankruptcy, post-secondary students are lobbying the federal government this month for billions in new spending to help cover the cost of university and college education.

Canadian Federation Of Students Pushes Liberals To Spend $3.3B On Free College, University


Nah- Students work harder if they have their own money invested in it. :) :)

It seem many students get educated about debt. Burden them so their first thirty years go to banks. That is the wrong kind of education. It stinks. They missed how to stay out of debt classes.

When I went to school there was a class called health.

And home economics.

The two aren't realy two seperate things, they belong together, under one minister, merge and purge.


I think kids could definitely use more education about finance, one aspect should be avoiding unnecessary debt. A lot of young people today don't recognize the difference between "wants" and "needs", or terms like "risk comfort" and "time horizons". My grand daughter who is new to the workforce is squirrelling away money, but only in absolutely safe investments - we hesitate saying anything yet as at least she's not squandering the money. I think if young people got more education on finance we could drive these Payday loan outfits out of business.
 

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Want free ed? Do two years community labour or military first. Good hard camp labour and working out in the "environment". Building roads to remote Rezes would be a great place to start.
 

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Nah- Students work harder if they have their own money invested in it. :) :)




I think kids could definitely use more education about finance, one aspect should be avoiding unnecessary debt. A lot of young people today don't recognize the difference between "wants" and "needs", or terms like "risk comfort" and "time horizons". My grand daughter who is new to the workforce is squirrelling away money, but only in absolutely safe investments - we hesitate saying anything yet as at least she's not squandering the money. I think if young people got more education on finance we could drive these Payday loan outfits out of business.

Time is money becomes the problem, before you believe it yer in debt and yer next breath belongs to a bank, ahhhh squorge of the freeman, death before dishoner,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 

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Time is money becomes the problem, before you believe it yer in debt and yer next breath belongs to a bank, ahhhh squorge of the freeman, death before dishoner,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I can't see why you hate credit so much. I've never had a problem paying them off. It's called working.
 

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What! you lazy slob, if you put some sweat into your elbow grease you pay yourself, you carve something out of it

Pfft, Why even bother when intrest rates are so low. 4% credit lines. I can print my own money anytime I want.
 

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I can't see why you hate credit so much. I've never had a problem paying them off. It's called working.


Works good when there's work to be had! There's damn little of it around here right now. In another 5 or 6 months there will be lots of fruit to pick.
 

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Want free ed? Do two years community labour or military first. Good hard camp labour and working out in the "environment". Building roads to remote Rezes would be a great place to start.
Great idea. The unions wouldn't stand for it.
 

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Free stuff is never appreciated. You can always tell a rental or subsidized housing just by looking at it, no pride of ownership. Canadian healthcare leaves much to be desired. Privatize all education and give parents vouchers to help pay for it.
 

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For me the main concern is giving people from all walks of life the opportunity to really excel.

50 years ago I might agree that this shouldn't be a significant concern but when you have applicants limited to those that are wealthy to begin with, you are cutting out people who are legitimately talented and can strengthen the economy.
 

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Anyone know how kids can get all the way through highschool and into university and still think health care is free?

Want free ed? Do two years community labour or military first. Good hard camp labour and working out in the "environment". Building roads to remote Rezes would be a great place to start.

You mean like get their hands dirty? Won't happen.
 

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A nation that dosen't educate its brightest will be sold some day.

Baloney, culture trumps education all the time.

If we treated education the way that the Americans treated healthcare, a quarter of us would never see them inside of a school and one out of ten of us would get a top notch education. The other six out of ten of us might learn how to read, after a fashion but you had better be prepared to pay through the nose, for it.

I mean seriously, stereotypes are great for having that feel good culture of yours but you really need to broaden your mind ...just a tad.